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So. I was visiting my parents, who love a bunch of shitty tv shows, and one of the shitty tv shows they love is NCIS: New Orleans. They were watching an episode where a "man" was onscreen and my troon radar immediately went off. TIF voice like you wouldn't believe. Looked it up and sure enough:

Frog voiced manlet troon

Testosterone may be more potent in masculinizing than estrogen is in feminizing, but even the lady troons don't fucking pass.
 
So. I was visiting my parents, who love a bunch of shitty tv shows, and one of the shitty tv shows they love is NCIS: New Orleans. They were watching an episode where a "man" was onscreen and my troon radar immediately went off. TIF voice like you wouldn't believe. Looked it up and sure enough:

Frog voiced manlet troon

Testosterone may be more potent in masculinizing than estrogen is in feminizing, but even the lady troons don't fucking pass.
That's just a straight up girl voice. I doubt this person was even on T in the video. Looks and sounds like a butch dyke
 
So. I was visiting my parents, who love a bunch of shitty tv shows, and one of the shitty tv shows they love is NCIS: New Orleans. They were watching an episode where a "man" was onscreen and my troon radar immediately went off. TIF voice like you wouldn't believe. Looked it up and sure enough:

Frog voiced manlet troon

Testosterone may be more potent in masculinizing than estrogen is in feminizing, but even the lady troons don't fucking pass.
The network shows love FtMers for some reason. Easier to pass I guess? More sympathetic somehow?

Also lol at "trans comedian". Weren't funny as a woman, twice as unfunny as a troon.
 
OK, Kiwis, I guess this goes here. I want to hear your opinions on the bastardization of gay and lesbian history, as committed by troons and their kweer friends. No argument to paranoid, I got my tin-foil hat folded and ready.

There are a few aspects I am particularly interested in.

First, why have the Stonewalls riots taken such a hold as the sort of Exodus of the gays? Even in Europe? I think it's primarily to do with the invention of Marsha P Johnson as some kind of troon superhero, but why have people in Europe, where we have our own gay and lesbian history, taken to the story as well?

Second, who does it serve queer our history both US and elsewhere? UK famously had gay and lesbian groups since the 1870-80's, as did Germany.

Third, the lack of historical knowledge seems to be a feature, not a bug, with the SJW/kweer/LGBBQLOL crowd. Do you think their particular ignorance of gay and lesbian history is deliberate or just that, ignorant?


The network shows love FtMers for some reason. Easier to pass I guess? More sympathetic somehow?

Also lol at "trans comedian". Weren't funny as a woman, twice as unfunny as a troon.
Sympathetic. I've noticed a definite trend in my country to present some young TiF and weep a bit to the press about the evil cissies. On a related note, I am not really sure "Elliot" Page is doing them any PR favours but I do suspect they think (rightly) that FtMs are more sympathetic to the general audience. Hulking man in programmer socks doesn't really inspire anything else than disgust. Most regular men know that guys in dresses are a menace.
 
OK, Kiwis, I guess this goes here. I want to hear your opinions on the bastardization of gay and lesbian history, as committed by troons and their kweer friends. No argument to paranoid, I got my tin-foil hat folded and ready.

There are a few aspects I am particularly interested in.

First, why have the Stonewalls riots taken such a hold as the sort of Exodus of the gays? Even in Europe? I think it's primarily to do with the invention of Marsha P Johnson as some kind of troon superhero, but why have people in Europe, where we have our own gay and lesbian history, taken to the story as well?

Second, who does it serve queer our history both US and elsewhere? UK famously had gay and lesbian groups since the 1870-80's, as did Germany.

Third, the lack of historical knowledge seems to be a feature, not a bug, with the SJW/kweer/LGBBQLOL crowd. Do you think their particular ignorance of gay and lesbian history is deliberate or just that, ignorant?
Because Marsha was black as well. They don't want to give any credit to white men for anything, and I'm sure at that time, most black and brown peoples in Europe had just arrived from homophobic shitholes, so they didn't have a gay history there.

They do this with other history as well, ignore anything done by a white man.
 
That's really not it. Stonewall doesn't have anything to do with Europe. The introduction of Stonewall into European "queer" history is simply the result of US culture spilling over. It's got nothing to do with white or black, most people in Europe even in LGB circles have not been very familiar with Stonewall at all until it started being referenced as a key point in "queer" history in social media. And being grabbed by impressionable people who listen to the loudest voices. Stonewall was never a key point for Europe. Germany has a much stronge LGB history than the US and some shitty riot in -69 does not mark a key point in European history. This is just more American narcissism and propaganda spilling over on the rest of the world.
 
This is just more American narcissism and propaganda spilling over on the rest of the world.
You have to admit there's a certain level of irony to making Stonewall an iconic event when it was literally a gay bar run by the Mafia to gather blackmail material on prominent homosexuals by enticing them into relationships with trafficked underage kids.

Not that anyone seems to remember this.
 
OK, Kiwis, I guess this goes here. I want to hear your opinions on the bastardization of gay and lesbian history, as committed by troons and their kweer friends. No argument to paranoid, I got my tin-foil hat folded and ready.
really horrible
They do not do it as a way for people to realize and accept that "they have always existed", but as a letter to behave like shit without consequences, it is worse when they say things like "I can't believe you are transphobic, remember thanks to a trans you have rights "only to emotional manipulation. and every year this lie is repeated
 
really horrible
They do not do it as a way for people to realize and accept that "they have always existed", but as a letter to behave like shit without consequences, it is worse when they say things like "I can't believe you are transphobic, remember thanks to a trans you have rights "only to emotional manipulation. and every year this lie is repeated
More gaslighting, more emotional blackmail. Typical narcissist troon behavior.
 
So. I was visiting my parents, who love a bunch of shitty tv shows, and one of the shitty tv shows they love is NCIS: New Orleans. They were watching an episode where a "man" was onscreen and my troon radar immediately went off. TIF voice like you wouldn't believe. Looked it up and sure enough:

Frog voiced manlet troon

Testosterone may be more potent in masculinizing than estrogen is in feminizing, but even the lady troons don't fucking pass.
Just comes across as a lesbian to be honest, wouldn't even think hey that a trans dude failing to pass if you didn't point it out.
Also what an awful actor, like those awful random stits you find on youtube like the step below Doug Walker's Demo Reel
 
I agree there's strong correlation, I just don't think it's a trigger for trooning out. More likely you already wanna troon out and then you start watching a bunch of anime that has androgynous (if not straight-out trap) characters and that feeds into your delusion that you too can be the kawaai neko gf, but the desire has to be there to begin with. It's similar to how fat nerds used to escape into superhero comics and live vicariously through all the ripped badasses in those; guarantee you if it was as easy to go on a juice cycle as it is to get on titty skittles there'd have been a bunch of roided out Comic Book Guys in the 80s and 90s just like there are a plague of troons now.

You could say the same about vidya: Games like Rapeplay and Hatred exist, yeah, but the vast majority of people who play games have no interest in that shit, so I don't think it's fair to point to its existence and the niche of degenerates who consoom it as proof the entire orchard is rotten.

I think autism is the strongest, most consistent factor in all of this, combined with the growing trend of parents allowing their kids, sperg or otherwise, to be raised by the internet. That's a breeding ground for all forms of extremism, it just happens that trooning out is the easiest and carries the most benefits, so the path of least resistance wins out.

I wouldn't necessarily discount a different order of operations; imagine being an impressionable teenager watching anime. Going online to discuss it with fellow fans. Tranny goblins pounce and lie him into the cult before anyone can think to warn him. It's not the anime that did it, mind you, but it brought this hypothetical teenager to troonery. I wouldn't blame a forest for containing an ogre cave, but I'd tell passers-by that something hideous made its home there.

I’m responding to these comments over here so as not to shit up the Sideshow thread with tangential spergery...

I don’t think it’s so much the anime, as the fandoms around the anime? Presumably people are watching anime in a variety of dubbed languages/subtitles through SE Asia and beyond, but the countries with escalating troonery are either English speaking or those with a near universal high standard of English as a second language (eg Scandinavia, Germany, The Netherlands).

I’m a gen Xer so I’m mostly learning about this stuff from posters here but I think, for the boys at least, video games are a bigger factor than anime, specifically, playing as female characters. Making ‘friends’ in game leads to setting up social media accounts that reflect your game character rather than your actual self (which might well be an autistic neet shut in) and if that character has more social life than you do (even if it’s just online) it almost makes sense to let the character take over.

The kids that are attracted to this stuff/likely to spiral into it are the lonely nerdy ones. Sporty kids live in material reality, they have team mates, rivals etc.

Porn also plays a role, teenagers are getting their dopamine via porn/games/online likes and retweets, rather than snogging and getting felt up behind the bike sheds (and shoplifting/hitchhiking/going to gigs or whatever other stupid shit teens used to do).

where are the up and coming bands that used to facilitate new subcultures for youths? I’m actively looking for it but all I see is kids mining musical history and reenacting long dead subcultures (how come all these mullets?) is this post modernism (there is nothing left that hasn’t already been done) or capitalism (rising property prices been the shitty little gig venues and punk pubs got bulldozed). Or are kids just not picking up instruments, and thus not forming bands because it’s easier to play guitar hero than it is to learn to play guitar?
It’s almost as if there is no way to be non-conforming without that non-conformity being somehow related to LGBTXYZ, whereas punks had blue hair just for the hell of it.

Family structure changes, such as more lone parents, two-home divorced parent families, blended step families or simply both parents working outside the home must have an affect too, even if it’s just the lack of a full time stay at home parent - leaving kids indoors alone, gaming or roaming the internet, getting groomed. Paedos have always been everywhere, but accessing children/teens used to be a lot harder (hence joining the priesthood). Housing costs getting increasingly disproportionate to income is massive reason why kids are less likely to have a stay at home parent.

Back in the day, teens used to get occasionally get flashed at by pervy old men, but now the flashers are sending dick pics online and it’s almost normalised. Wtf is that doing to the developing mind?

Autism/ADD must be part of it too - are the rates of that rising due to older parents or have I imagined that?
I’ve noticed over the last few months that teens are starting to put their Myers Briggs personality test results in their bios, alongside pronouns. What’s that about? Why are they all identifying as having rare mental illnesses? Is this just because ordinary white kids aren’t coping with IDPOL and desperately need to feel special/not be branded as oppressors due to some trait they can’t control? Almost no one feels ‘privileged’ in puberty (except physically gifted jock types) so flooding our schools with SJW BLM stuff is inevitable going to leave them looking for an ‘I’m not like other white people’ exit clause.

when did we stop teaching kids resilience?
 
I’m responding to these comments over here so as not to shit up the Sideshow thread with tangential spergery...

I don’t think it’s so much the anime, as the fandoms around the anime? Presumably people are watching anime in a variety of dubbed languages/subtitles through SE Asia and beyond, but the countries with escalating troonery are either English speaking or those with a near universal high standard of English as a second language (eg Scandinavia, Germany, The Netherlands).
I think there's some chicken and egg there, but yes it's mostly the fandoms. There's a porny underbelly to the anime world that's got more of a disturbing underage bent to it (something something Japanese prizing neoteny even more than the west does and cultural differences around sex something something), but troons and anime avatars are undeniably common.

when did we stop teaching kids resilience?
When resilience became heresy. Never grow. Never change. Never accept criticism. It's haterz telling you not to Live Your Truth. Obsessing over mental illnesses is a shallow simulacrum of self-actualization; you're told that recognizing your flaws is the first step toward growing up, so clearly the fastest way to do that is to either create problems that The Science has declared society needs to fix for you (you're just autistic! There's nothing wrong with that! People need to learn to accept you!), or to identify issues that have a defined instruction manual for solving instead of learning scary things yourself (you're a troon egg! Step one: horse piss). An unlikable cunt isn't a reflection anyone wants to see in the mirror. Fortunately the modern world will happily tell you that reflection is only -ever- everyone else's fault.

The murky part here is that these issues do exist. They're just rare. But an issue that has a prescribed solution to it clears up any of the work you have to do navigating that part of your personality. I think kids need to internalize more of the messaging from fairy tales and Terry Pratchett-style stories. Anyone offering to fix your problems with a wish is probably going to ruin your life the moment you accept.
 
I’ve noticed over the last few months that teens are starting to put their Myers Briggs personality test results in their bios, alongside pronouns.
What, again? I remember that was a big trend in the online kids maybe fifteen years ago but it had died off by 2015 or so. They always picked one of the INxx classifications, then accessorized it with a fedora and a mountain of smug, and an anime avatar, or a pony toward the tail end.
 
I’m a gen Xer so I’m mostly learning about this stuff from posters here but I think, for the boys at least, video games are a bigger factor than anime, specifically, playing as female characters. Making ‘friends’ in game leads to setting up social media accounts that reflect your game character rather than your actual self (which might well be an autistic neet shut in) and if that character has more social life than you do (even if it’s just online) it almost makes sense to let the character take over.
Does it still count as a PL if you're embarrassed about it? Either way, here goes: waaaay back when I was in high school I used to make a ton of social media accounts under the names of anime characters I liked at the time (Vash The Stampede, Spike Spiegel etc) and I'd fill them in accordingly and add pictures and stuff, but not once did I ever believe I was those characters. It was just a dumb LARP because I thought they were cool.

I think in order to cross that bridge from harmless LARP to trying to force the real world to comport to your delusions requires you to already be fucked up, mentally, in some way. This is where autism or some other condition comes in and plays a pivotal role; you have to either have absolutely no sense of self or hate the way you currently are to do something like this, and in my experience that describes almost 100% of troons; not one of them seems to be genuinely happy.

Combine all that with western society moving towards the idea all lifestyles/identities are valid (unless you're right wing, of course) and the completely unrestricted access to porn we are all exposed to now no matter where you go online and it's pretty easy to see how quickly things can go off the rails for a vulnerable person.

Having said all that, I genuinely believe if you could flick a switch and wipe all social media off the face of the internet, all these problems would go away in a matter of years.
 
What, again? I remember that was a big trend in the online kids maybe fifteen years ago but it had died off by 2015 or so. They always picked one of the INxx classifications, then accessorized it with a fedora and a mountain of smug, and an anime avatar, or a pony toward the tail end.
Would that have coincided with like, peak ‘Scene’ era? Because there’s a lot of that look about at the moment.

The other hideous comeback I’m currently seeing a lot of are those awful late 90s/early 2000s platform trainers and spastic looking chunky sandals popular with the spice girls eg:
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Horrified thought: does this mean that even if the NB/troon fad dies off, we’ll have a revival of unnecessary mastectomies 15-20 years later?
 
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