General transgender discussion thread - Take the tranny related debates here.

but the marches aren’t meant to look ridiculous
Perhaps not ridiculous, but they're definitely performative. Authoritarianism requires overtly performative behaviours from its subjects and adherents, both to create an in-group/out-group dynamic and to cement obedience amongst the in-group. As you say, it flushes out dissenters, but it also inculcates a submissive, conformist mindset amongst the rest. If you want to get people to perform genocide en masse (or whatever your dictator life goals might be), you start by making them perform repetitive group tasks. Dancing, or marching up and down the square, or waving flags. Or wearing the same fucking striped socks.

The temptation at this point is to say "like a cult", but cults are just extreme forms of group behavioural psychology, with the only tangible difference being an inability to tolerate non-participation in their performative behaviours.

Green parts added by me. They just want to “bash the fash.”
And if they can't find any, they just redefine the word until it describes someone in the room.
 
As you say, it flushes out dissenters, but it also inculcates a submissive, conformist mindset amongst the rest. If you want to get people to perform genocide en masse (or whatever your dictator life goals might be), you start by making them perform repetitive group tasks. Dancing, or marching up and down the square, or waving flags. Or wearing the same fucking striped socks.
Definitely. And they accomplish that by indoctrinating children from very early on (see the Florida bill madness) and by incorporating their ideology into every part of society, e.g. if there’s not an openly LGBT character in a piece of fiction they’ll call it discriminatory.

Normal societies are based on “if you do X we’ll punish you” rules, whereas tranny jannies want a “if you don’t do X we’ll punish you” dystopia.
 
In the Current Year, are we allowed to believe cross-dressing fetishism/AGP even exists? Considering how many troon autobios begin with jerking off in thigh-highs, I was wondering if it's become un-PC to believe it's even possible to have a fetish any more, or if it just means anyone like that is a woman now.
 
Real talk what do you think to think is the solution to the Troon problem.? They aren't women and creep on lesbians and straight men in a very predatory manner. But at the same time, I think it's evident from the data hormones and the masquerade does seem to make them less suicidal. And I haven't seen any evidence that alternative treatments work to the same degree. So do we tolerate them as long as they know their place?

I want to make a separate thread on this. But bisexuals and transsexual activists want to guilt straight men and women of all sexual preferences into dating them. Straight men in more conservatives areas tend to be able to rebuff transexuals attempt to be included in their dating pool. While women tend to bear the blunt of attacks from trans and bisexuals. Homosexual men tend to fall in the middle.

Outside of liberal areas or irl, I don’t think that transexuals or bisexuals really have that much influence to pressure people into dating them. It could be that the internet just amplify their voices. I mean I don’t care if someone calls me a transphobe, genital fetish, or a bio essentialist.
 
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I want to make a separate thread on this. But bisexuals and transsexual activists want to guilt straight men and women of all sexual preferences into dating them. Straight men in more conservatives areas tend to be able to rebuff transexuals attempt to be included in their dating pool. While women tend to bear the blunt of attacks from trans and bisexuals. Homosexual men tend to fall in the middle.

Outside of liberal areas or irl, I don’t think that transexuals or bisexuals really have that much influence to pressure people into dating them. It could be that the internet just amplify their voices. I mean I don’t care if someone calls me a transphobe, genital fetish, or a bio essentialist.
Personally I think women took the hardest hit because they are socialized by society to be nice and accepting. While men are encouraged to be more aggressive and assertive so troons can't play the same game.
 
I think that hints at a funny bit that's undermentioned, that calling a lesbian women "transphobic" enough times, will have (some of) them sucking peen.
 
Personally I think women took the hardest hit because they are socialized by society to be nice and accepting. While men are encouraged to be more aggressive and assertive so troons can't play the same game.
Doesn't help that a lot of TiMs are huge, violent, unstable lunatics who will throw a shit fit backed up by their still-male tard strength when you reject them. TiFs are basically never threatening because they're all 5'0"*** and even if they do chimp out they are probably not going to beat your face in (they'd need to reach it, first).

*** Seriously, why are Aidens always so damn short? It's the perfect inverse of male troons who are 6'5" brick shithouses.
 
*** Seriously, why are Aidens always so damn short? It's the perfect inverse of male troons who are 6'5" brick shithouses.
Maybe both FTMs and MTFs are just average, but when they try to larp as the oposite sex, suddenly all their actual sex caracteristics gets amplified, height included.

When a transbian puts in a dress, it makes his body obviously masculine, making him look more manly. Maybe he doesn't even have an impressive jaw, but when he puts a wig and makeup, the jaw and long face stands out.

Same with aidens trying to fit in male clothes, the ones that aren't gender blobs just look really cute burrowed in the unfitting clothes. Kind like the girlfriend wearing boyfriend t-shirt appeal.

Get what I mean?

They aim for the opposit sex look but lands on looking like their own sex more. LMAO
 
There's a strong pressure in mainstream media to suppress reports of trans crimes.

Like for example, with the Wi Spa incident, you had highly respected, mainstream media outlets outright calling it a hoax. Then, of course, when it was confirmed accurate, there was no response from them, no correction. They just went silent.

By the data, trans people commit sex crimes much more often than cis people. So for example, 48% of federal inmates who identify as trans are sex offenders. This is much higher than the 4.7% baseline number for the total population.
Sorry for the late reply, I will admit you are far more knowledgeable on this topic than me, I think I defend the trans movement so vehemently because of a personal bias due of friends I have that currently are trans or are in the process of transitioning and are genuinely smart, respectable members of society and aren’t anything lile the shitheads many of them apparently are and the examples this site mocks. I admit I really don’t know the exact data on Trans crimes and I admit they are almost certainly more common than I would like to believe. Even so, the crimes of ´Cis’ individuals shouldn’t be ignored regardless of whether their ire is aimed at an ideology this site vastly opposes.

No, again, transgenderism is a modern concept. It's an ideological belief.
There isn’t historical evidence for that, it may only seem that way since people weren’t outspoken about possessing it. Each era of history has leaps and bounds in social values and technological progress. There are plenty of people hundreds and maybe thousands of years ago that if somehow transported to the 21st century, would be identified as having thoughts of gender dysphoria or trans leanings
It's important to distinguish what transgenderism actually is. Transgenderism isn't gender non-conformity. A woman wearing men's clothes isn't trans. It's not just crossdressing or homosexuality. It's a more profound belief, and that belief is a modern invention, not some kind of psychological symptom like nervous tics.
I wasn’t talking about cross-dressing, I’m talking about transgender and those with body and gender dysphoria, I know that cross dressers have existed all throughout history and often even straight men have been known to enjoy it. It’s not legitimate transgenderism rather than autogynephilia or a particular lifestyle preference that may have no bearing on a persons gender or sexuality. I know transgenderism is separate movement that doesn’t always have bearing to cross dressing or simple playing with gender roles, it is more profound than that.
If you want to talk about gender dysphoria, that might've had a longer history that's worth discussing, but that's not the same thing as transgenderism. (Although to be honest, gender dysphoria also seems to be a culture bound phenomenon, in the same way that modern western culture exacerbates female insecurity and thus we have a much higher rate of psychological issues like anorexia and bulemia than they did in, say, the 1800's.)
I’ll admit maybe I was a bit nebulous in my description, perhaps the modern phenomenon of transgenderism, I.e specifically believing that artificial genders can be changed through force are somehow objectively true in reality when they are nebulous concepts is definitely a recent social trend. Gender dysphoria I think I meant specifically no doubt has existed throughout the whole history of human Phychology, there have almost certainly been cases of those who didn’t entirely fit into conventional gender roles or identities and felt legitimate unease and psychological issues brought on by feeling alienated by their bodies feeling ‘wrong’.

This type of dysphoria and psychological phenomena is certainly set in stone to have existed to some degree throughout most of history, regardless of societies and then current psychological and medical understanding of said phenomena, that has certainly been proven beyond a reasonable doubt to be a recurring dysphoria that has significant historical reoccurrence.
 
Gender dysphoria I think I meant specifically no doubt has existed throughout the whole history of human Phychology, there have almost certainly been cases of those who didn’t entirely fit into conventional gender roles or identities and felt legitimate unease and psychological issues brought on by feeling alienated by their bodies feeling ‘wrong’.

This type of dysphoria and psychological phenomena is certainly set in stone to have existed to some degree throughout most of history, regardless of societies and then current psychological and medical understanding of said phenomena, that has certainly been proven beyond a reasonable doubt to be a recurring dysphoria that has significant historical reoccurrence.
Disagree. There isn't historical evidence for it. That's my point.

You can find isolated individuals in history, in the same way that you can find isolated examples of basically anything.

But I think the modern fixation on sex and gender identity is a culture bound phenomenon.

If gender dysphoria was constant throughout history, we'd have a small, but consistent number of suicides throughout history as evidence. People used to keep journals. Even in incredibly repressive times in history, we could see documented evidence of homosexuality in journals and other records like that.

But there's nothing like that for gender dysphoria, at least not on the scale that modern gender identity advocates claim (like 0.6% or whatever). I have not seen any evidence that this is not a modern problem.

What's more likely is that pop culture, and the rise of mass media (movies, tv, recorded music, and now more dangerously, social media), is shining a bright light on sex, sexuality and all the weird intersections between different aspects of American culture. (religion vs individualism) This is causing people to wig out artificially.

I mean, it's the same thing with eating disorders like anorexia. Modern culture has dramatically increased anorexia.

The thing is, that doesn't mean that gender dysphoria isn't real. What these people are experiencing is real, but there's no reason to believe it's some inevitable aspect of humanity, something that we just need to throw our hands up and give up on. It's artificial and we can and should pursue a cultural shift to get rid of it.
 
I spoke with a friend of mine who apparently is trans, who saw some of my tweets and wanted to have a discussion with me.
(Now, my tweets aren't hateful towards trans in particular, but they're very pro women's rights and "keep men out of female places" etc.)
He is a volunteer at a youth centre for LGBT+ youth who agreed that we shouldn't give kids hormones/testosterone and shit. So yay of that!

He got increasingly more annoyed at me during the conversation, while brushing off any of the concerns I had. The things he said the trans community actually wanted were all reasonable enough. Proper healthcare, having their IDs changed to go with their new gender identity (I personally really don't care if someone gets Mx on their passport) and to, and I quote "live their lives in peace". He also claimed that people are "just mad" at transgender people and are not allowing them to "live". Because they're not hurting anyone (Cue sad violin music.)

Even after all this abuse from TRAs people, especially women, get online, I still think there's a handful of people who are actually transgender (the ones that have gender dysphoria) and they just want to live their lives and be left alone. 🌈🌈

Anyways, after a lot of poor reading comprehension on his part, he said this conversation was going nowhere because I kept saying transgender women were just pretending. What I in fact said was that I think there are a lot of men indeed pretending to be transgender for nefarious reasons. I named convicted rapist "Karen" White as an example. I told him I wanted him to address men like this because unless he talked about the men who are actual predators claiming to be trans, this conversation would indeed go nowhere. He then told me he doesn't watch/read the news because it's too depressing.
If you don't watch/read the news or are on social media then how can you possibly know why people are pushing back against this trans movement?
Of course you're going to play the victim and pretend that you're never doing anything wrong because you're safe in your little bubble and you and your friends never do anything bad. The media doesn't help portray trans people very favourably, but it also doesn't portray "TERFs" very favourably either. However, more often than not people and companies still side with TRA because of iNcLuSiViTy™.

He then tried to use this bullshit reasoning of "women can also be perpetrators of rape" argument on me, which is a moot argument as 95% of all rapes in countries everywhere committed are committed by men. And that this is not a convincing argument to just let any man claiming to be a woman waltz in to women only spaces. I told him that self ID hurts statistics like this because if a man (who is more likely to commit a rape), identifies as a woman, for convenience sake or not, they might be put in the sex offender register as a woman, further strengthening that nonsensical argument TRAs like to use.

He did make a distinction between medically transitioned trans women and trans women who still have their dicks. He said with the latter, he could see why they shouldn't be allowed in women's spaces. (Granted, how could you check if the former still has a dick? Just keep them both out.)

The entire conversation was disappointing. I found the lack of acknowledgment that his community wasn't perfect extremely infuriating, but also understandable if you don't watch/read the news (go watch/read the news asshole).

Also, not once in the conversation did we talk about trans men. Funny how that happened.
I do think a lot of transgender people are pretending and/or confused. I find it really hard to believe that the nearly 41,000 results on GoFundMe for "Top surgery" are actually experiencing body dysmorphia. And a lot of the men are just AGPs.

TLDR: trans people pretend they're all perfect and everyone hates them just for trying to exist. So nothing new here.
 
I started working with my first pronoun person this week. It's a dude with long hair and a shitty beard, deep husky voice and looks like a Californian skater bro. He introduced himself as they/them.

So I've decided to announce to the work place that I do not ascribe to gender identity culture and therefore do not have the vernacular in place to casually change my use of language for a singular person in the work place. If it is ever pressed upon, I will bring out the autism card - regardless if I'm on the spectrum or not, so that it will trump chosen pronouns over a legitimate learning disability which usually depends on things being straight forward without perceived nuances one has to pick up on.

I literally could not use "they" because it grammatically did not make sense to refer to the person standing beside me as "they", as in "they will assist you". Who is they? I sound like an asshole waving them off to an unidentified person when they visually are seeing a man. A long haired man.

I did try to be polite for work culture and apologized when I used "he" multiple times. But his reaction was odd - I didn't perceive him as being upset with me, but almost like he respected me for saying no to it. And thats when I realized he doesn't want to be they but his girlfriend wanted a queer relationship. So he full ass changed his GENDER IDENTITY to appease his girlfriend. He has made people outside of this relationship change the way they speak to him to support that.

And the sad thing was - he was pretty emotionally mature. Which I find to be rare in 25-35 demographic right now. So he could've easily been a fantastic ally for subversive lifestyles but it looks just forced on to him.

I have a feeling my one manager who failed to immediately throw her pronouns into our introduction is also a "they" because she took an attitude with "ladies". As in "thanks for your help, ladies" as I referred to two obvious female people with zero other attempts to be anything but female in appearance. Honestly, if it was a man in a dress, I'd be able to include him with "ladies" a lot easier. Bit if you don't make the effort, why should I? Because you chose to live a lifestyle like this? If I fly planes as a hobby, should you call me a pilot when I work as a programmer?

Chop your dicks and tits off and I'll make the effort to change your pronouns. Do nothing but demand I change my understanding of language? Go fuck yourself, it will be the battle of the autists and that makes me disabled and you a bully. Sounds like a human rights problem brewing since they are unable to accommodate my disability.
 
But I think the modern fixation on sex and gender identity is a culture bound phenomenon.

If gender dysphoria was constant throughout history, we'd have a small, but consistent number of suicides throughout history as evidence. People used to keep journals. Even in incredibly repressive times in history, we could see documented evidence of homosexuality in journals and other records like that.

But there's nothing like that for gender dysphoria, at least not on the scale that modern gender identity advocates claim (like 0.6% or whatever). I have not seen any evidence that this is not a modern problem.

What's more likely is that pop culture, and the rise of mass media (movies, tv, recorded music, and now more dangerously, social media), is shining a bright light on sex, sexuality and all the weird intersections between different aspects of American culture. (religion vs individualism) This is causing people to wig out artificially.
I'm sure I'm not the first person to notice how both the transgender movement and its focus on hyper-femininity (being cute little girls, spinny dresses, desiring big tits above all else, etc) and the alt-right with its focus on hyper-masculinity (bodybuilding, guns as an extension of manhood, huge nationalism shit) both sorta kicked into overdrive right around the same time. Both groups have a few huge things in common: inceldom and being terminally online. Adolescent overwhelmingly white men and boys who found themselves cast aside socially, and who knows what lead either group to take the forks in the road they did take.

Transgenderism as we know it today is above all else a political movement. It isn't just that trannies are mostly on the left; they're very very very far on the left
 
Thé vast majority of trans crimes are hoaxes or vastly exaggerated, anti-trans and homophobes are far more antisocial and still commit more crimes than any trans person does.
On Terf island, between 2008 and 2017, there were 9 troons murdered, none of which were ‘hate crimes’ but drugs/prostitution related murders.

In the same time period, trans identified males murdered 12 people. So no your claim is just wrong.

Also, around half the troons in prison there are in for sexual crimes. So either troon males commit more sex crimes or dangerous men are identifying into this.
 
On Terf island, between 2008 and 2017, there were 9 troons murdered, none of which were ‘hate crimes’ but drugs/prostitution related murders.

In the same time period, trans identified males murdered 12 people. So no your claim is just wrong.

Also, around half the troons in prison there are in for sexual crimes. So either troon males commit more sex crimes or dangerous men are identifying into this.
That is exactly it I imagine the majority of those crimes were not really trans men or women at all, rather just dangerous men faking transsexualism to commit antisocial behaviour and fill on murder. Murder Is still though the ultimate can’t come back from crime. Their seems to be this rhetoric here that liek 80% of all trans people are like Patrick Bateman level Psychos who want to waste anyone who so much as misgenders them. There are definitely a fair few that are like that, but not nearly as many as you think there are.

There are plenty of trans people who are just as smart as you or me, an old friend of mine who years later I found out was trans grew up to study computer graphics in a high ranking English University and engineering and hes pretty much one of the most intelligent people I know. He’s a little eccentric and has some of the strange eye rolling views trans or autogynephiliacs often have but that doesn’t automatically make him a shithead, I’m tired of this line of thought and I know it’s wrong, I’ve seen it first hand.
 
Orwell wrote something striking about their mindset in ‘The road to Wigan Pier'
That book, all the way back in 1937, also contained this stunning observation:
"In addition to this there is the horrible—the really disquieting—prevalence of cranks wherever Socialists are gathered together. One sometimes gets the impression that the mere words ‘Socialism’ and ‘Communism’ draw towards them with magnetic force every fruit-juice drinker, nudist, sandal-wearer, sex-maniac, Quaker, ‘Nature Cure’ quack, pacifist, and feminist in England. ... And some such notion seems to exist even among Socialists themselves. For instance, I have here a prospectus from another summer school which states its terms per week and then asks me to say ‘whether my diet is ordinary or vegetarian’. They take it for granted, you see, that it is necessary to ask this question. This kind of thing is by itself sufficient to alienate plenty of decent people."
Nonetheless Orwell remained a lifelong Libertarian Socialist. He added:
"I am merely pointing to the fact that writers of genuine talent are usually indifferent to Socialism, and sometimes actively and mischievously hostile. And this is a disaster, not only for the writers themselves, but for the cause of Socialism, which has great need of them."
(from: https://www.telelib.com/authors/O/OrwellGeorge/prose/RoadToWiganPier/wiganpierpart_11.html - the whole book is worth reading)
 
I quickly browsed through some classic “gender identity” education videos and animations and I found a striking theme…
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And there are so many more like this.
It’s always about little kids who don’t “fit in” to 1950’s stereotypes.
Fucking sad. How far have we fallen? From just accepting your kids as the tomboy/tomgirl they are to forcing them on the pills by their 6th birthday.
They can cry about how they’re “not saying that gender “”expression”” is the same as gender identity” but we all know the truth.
 
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