General transgender discussion thread - Take the tranny related debates here.

[loopy]

A lot of assumptions. Do you feel better now?

oh. the irony..

 

[Marvin]

Trans people are simply another demographic. There's good trans people, and there's bad trans people. At the end of the day sweeping them all under the same rug feels like a reductionist move to make- same shit as feminists who deem every man a rapist.

But we do have sex based policies. Males (whether cis men or transwomen) commit a disproportionate amount of sex crimes. That's why we have separate bathrooms and prisons.

If you're neither you're neither.

I know there's men, women and people who are born intersex

All intersex people are still male or female, thus still men or women. Sex in mammals is binary and fixed at birth. Intersex disorders are sex specific. Some disorders only males can get; some, only females.

 

[ARghEAT]

Not everyone who has an opinion you dislike is a tranny, or one of those "liberal chomos" you keep screeching about. Your lack of understanding of the concept that someone disagreeing with you doesn't magically mean they're a part of whatever group lives rent free in you head speaks volumes as to just how mentally stunted you are.

They're trolling, better to ignore them.

But we do have sex based policies. Males (whether cis men or transwomen) commit a disproportionate amount of sex crimes. That's why we have separate bathrooms and prisons.



All intersex people are still male or female, thus still men or women. Sex in mammals is binary and fixed at birth. Intersex disorders are sex specific. Some disorders only males can get; some, only females.

They are sex-specific but it's not always so simple. For example, Caster Semenya is XY, and has internal testes and a vagina but no penis, uterus or ovaries (as far as I can tell from what I've read online). Outwardly she looks androgynous to male-ish but not definitely male. Disregarding sports-related issues, I don't think she should be treated as male.

 

[Xanen]

But we do have sex based policies. Males (whether cis men or transwomen) commit a disproportionate amount of sex crimes. That's why we have separate bathrooms and prisons.

Fair, though that opens the door to the question of whether or not being more sexually aggressive is a learned trait or something inherent to the male sex. I have noticed a sort of entitlement to sex being exhibited by a lot of males, but perhaps that is a side effect of how we expect men to behave in regards to relationships.

All intersex people are still male or female, thus still men or women. Sex in mammals is binary and fixed at birth. Intersex disorders are sex specific. Some disorders only males can get; some, only females.

I'll admit my understanding of intersex conditions is bare-bones. I have done a little bit of research given the fact a few of the works I consume have intersex character in them, so my curiosity was piqued.

However, when I said neither I was talking about people who do not identify as a man or a woman regardless of whatever their birth sex may be. I should have clarified, sorry.

 

[Jonathina Mangledick]

They're trolling, better to ignore them.

They are sex-specific but it's not always so simple. For example, Caster Semenya is XY, and has internal testes and a vagina but no penis, uterus or ovaries (as far as I can tell from what I've read online). Outwardly she looks androgynous to male-ish but not definitely male. Disregarding sports-related issues, I don't think she should be treated as male.

the Y chromosome is the greatest sporting advantage of all
she's no better than a drug cheat
she married a woman and fathered a child

 

[Marvin]

They are sex-specific but it's not always so simple. For example, Caster Semenya is XY, and has internal testes and a vagina but no penis, uterus or ovaries (as far as I can tell from what I've read online). Outwardly she looks androgynous to male-ish but not definitely male. Disregarding sports-related issues, I don't think she should be treated as male.

Caster Semenya has 5 alpha reductase deficiency. Individuals initially present an external female phenotype (probably with underdeveloped female genitals) but with, as you note, internal testes. When they undergo puberty, the testicles descend and they develop pretty much like a male from that point on, albeit with perhaps some hormonal issues. (but not like female levels of T)

It's a genetic disorder and because of genetic bottlenecks, it's unusually common in some parts of the Dominican Republic, so much that they have a special name for it. "huevodoches" "balls at twelve"

Historically it was less understood, but nowadays doctors would typically regard 5ard individuals as male.

That being said, Caster is from a more primitive time in medicine and I wouldn't be a dick to her over it. But regardless, we do have an answer to that question. And we have reliable, science based policies for all DSDs.

(btw while we're at it, people were such shitheads to Caster. I don't think she should've played, but people were extraordinarily cruel and invasive with her issues, while 100% indisputable males just waltz right in)

Fair, though that opens the door to the question of whether or not being more sexually aggressive is a learned trait or something inherent to the male sex. I have noticed a sort of entitlement to sex being exhibited by a lot of males, but perhaps that is a side effect of how we expect men to behave in regards to relationships.

It's a pattern present in basically every culture on earth, now and historically. It really seems to be a male fixture instead of something culturally developed. (well and you see increased sexual aggressiveness in males of other species too)

However, when I said neither I was talking about people who do not identify as a man or a woman regardless of whatever their birth sex may be. I should have clarified, sorry.

Yeah, which I could ignore. But if we're going to be honest, men are adult human males. Girly males, masculine males. Both men.

the Y chromosome is the greatest sporting advantage of all
she's no better than a drug cheat
she married a woman and fathered a child

Well except for the Y chromosome without the SRY gene or with CAIS.

But beyond that, this is retarded. Caster Semenya doesn't have a penis and cannot father children.

 

[ARghEAT]

When they undergo puberty, the testicles descend

AFAIK she does not have external testicles at all and Wikipedia (not quite reliable but oh well) does not seem to indicate that the testicles descend. Otherwise everything you've written seems correct.

But beyond that, this is retarded. Caster Semenya doesn't have a penis and cannot father children.

She does have two children with her wife however. Whether they are biologically hers or not I don't know.

 

[Marvin]

AFAIK she does not have external testicles at all and Wikipedia (not quite reliable but oh well) does not seem to indicate that the testicles descend. Otherwise everything you've written seems correct.

She probably doesn't. To correct what I said earlier, the testicles don't always descend. But yeah, generally masculinization proceeds, sometimes with the testicles descending partially or entirely.

She does have two children with her wife however. Whether they are biologically hers or not I don't know.

Pretty sure they're not hers biologically.

 

[The Ugly One]

Re: Caster, she became a focal point for US gender politics. In a saner time, she would have simply been ruled a male and ineligible to compete against women, and we never would have heard of her after that.

But we do have sex based policies. Males (whether cis men or transwomen) commit a disproportionate amount of sex crimes. That's why we have separate bathrooms and prisons.

The federal government also has sex-based and race-based contracting polices. Women and blacks are disproportionately bad at starting and running businesses, so the federal government favors them with contracts.

 

[Richard Budgetts Brain]

They're trolling, better to ignore them.

They are sex-specific but it's not always so simple. For example, Caster Semenya is XY, and has internal testes and a vagina but no penis, uterus or ovaries (as far as I can tell from what I've read online). Outwardly she looks androgynous to male-ish but not definitely male. Disregarding sports-related issues, I don't think she should be treated as male.

Read this and reconsider.

 

[TheBigZee]

So the title ix draft that was supposed to be finished by the end of april, then pushed back to may, then pushed back to june.

https://www.reginfo.gov/public/do/eom12866SearchResults?pubId=202110&rin=1870-AA16&viewRule=true

They don't have any new meetings scheduled on it. What's the over under on staffers having chimped out over being told that "gender identity" needed to be confirmed by a doctor.

 

[Nointey]

I honestly believe that 95% of troons are just dumb kids that are larping for attention. I know I'm not "MUH SCIENTIST", but I highly fucking doubt that there has been THIS many that were "hiding it". Personally I believe most of this shit is a fad that has been accelerated by Social Media and the mainstream media in general.

 

[Second-Hand Boat Supplies]

Here’s a dumb question/observation. Have you even once seen a stitched trans pride flag? Like one where the stripes are each a separate piece of colored fabric stitched together like a real flag would be. Every single one I’ve ever seen is the shitty printed kind. If something was so central to my identity, I’d want an actual quality decoration

 

[teriyakiburns]

Here’s a dumb question/observation. Have you even once seen a stitched trans pride flag? Like one where the stripes are each a separate piece of colored fabric stitched together like a real flag would be. Every single one I’ve ever seen is the shitty printed kind. If something was so central to my identity, I’d want an actual quality decoration

Makes sense that it would be as superficial as everything else about them.

 

[DavidS877]

Here’s a dumb question/observation. Have you even once seen a stitched trans pride flag? Like one where the stripes are each a separate piece of colored fabric stitched together like a real flag would be. Every single one I’ve ever seen is the shitty printed kind. If something was so central to my identity, I’d want an actual quality decoration

I'm sure there are plenty of high quality original(rainbow) pride flags. But since the latest abomination changes every week it's not really worth doing anything except printing them.

 

[gang weeder]

Fair, though that opens the door to the question of whether or not being more sexually aggressive is a learned trait or something inherent to the male sex. I have noticed a sort of entitlement to sex being exhibited by a lot of males, but perhaps that is a side effect of how we expect men to behave in regards to relationships.

It is definitely 100% inherent to the male sex. In every single society in all of time men are more sexually aggressive than women. This can be traced back to very obvious biological causes such as testosterone which increases aggression the more of it you have. It can probably be modulated to one degree or another by one's environment, but it's wild to me that there are people out there like you who talk about this like it's some kind of open-ended mystery that no one knows the answer to.

 

[CatSuga-Ogrish]

Y'all know about Samantha James aka Cookie Tookie aka Scat Demon?

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He real sick in the hospital with CHF. Still tricking, drinking, and doing drugs. He doesn't look well and skin looks very greasy. Really needs soap.

 

[Airbrushed Van Art]

So everyone at work is adding their pronouns in their email signatures, using rainbow backgrounds in virtual meetings etc...

None of it is mandatory (which they literally say in the corporate emails), but I'm starting to worry that abstaining from this vulgar virtue signalling will be seen as "problematic".

SIGH

 

[Xanen]

So everyone at work is adding their pronouns in their email signatures, using rainbow backgrounds in virtual meetings etc...

None of it is mandatory (which they literally say in the corporate emails), but I'm starting to worry that abstaining from this vulgar virtue signalling will be seen as "problematic".

SIGH

Eh, don't do it if you don't wanna do it. If someone is worried enough about what pronouns to use for you they'll just ask. It's a matter of convenience.

It's also a really good way of figuring out who to avoid. If you see anyone with wild neopronouns, start running.

 

[thegooddoctor]

I know that despite everything people have said about how dangerous it is to try and stand up to trans people, I still personally believe at least some of us should still try and risk it. More people visit the farms than ever before and there have got to be at least a few hundred who are brave or based enough, so that they would go out of their way to really stand up to these people and not put up with tolerating such lunacy and normalised sexual deviancy especially in a month such as this. This place probably has the highest concentration of anti-trans i've ever seen barring maybe /pol/ itself, I definitely think If enough Kiwis one day wanted to form some kind of secularised Intelligent anti-trans group to eventually stand up against the never ending hordes of trans people they so claim to resent I think they could really do It. If anyone could forge a valid enough argument to try and peak normal people out of the trans phenomenon it'd definitely be us, I have seen some genuinely intelligent and provoking arguments against it that adhere to logic and a wealth of scientific and biological examples form refutable sources. I don't think it would be impossible to make a change, we just have to work hard enough and maybe some people will realise this Era of Transgenderism will not last.