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I try to take the idealistic libertarian stance of letting everyone do what they want, so long as it doesn't fuck with anyone else.
The problem here is that a common thread tying the majority of the online trannies together is that they want to actively suppress other people's rights, and that's where I draw the line.

On another note, regarding how quickly the rise of transgenderism happened: It reminds me of a time that some kid I knew in school said he was going to turn gay because no girls wanted to get with him. The evolution of that is now all these terminally online rejects want to turn female, due to a lack of success in finding one of their own.
 
Over the past 35 years I've had the good fortune to have taken a few well taught psychology classes. Every single class had a segment devoted to Transgenderisim/Body Dysphoria. Every single class. Every single teacher... every single book .. every single psychologist who studied this subject has pointed out a few similar aspects of each person who believes they are "transgendered" One, its rare. Genuinely rare that someone who really, honestly feels trapped inside a different body.
Two; it is a true mental disorder. There is no pussyfotting around this fact. It will always be a mental disorder.
Three: many doctors.both medical and otherwise who deal directly with dysphoria have recorded around 40% of people who went onto transition have attempted to..(and most have succeeded) commit suicide because of "buyers remorse:" That factor alone is why the John Hopkins medical center stopped performing gender altering surgeries over 30 years ago all together.

One aspect of the transition that caught my attention is psychologist would have a patient go through at least 2 or 3 years of analysis ...to make 100% certain they really wanted to physically transform into another "gender" - even though the transformation would be 99% superficial. The psychologist would also drive home the fact that if they genuinely wanted to be a different gender and a wholly different person, they would have to totally immerse themselves into being this new person. For example; if they were a male named Dan, the therapist would recommend a whole new feminine name and persona to go by. They would have to immerse themselves into that persona fully. Even mentioning they were once "Dan" could open the door to "buyers remorse". I brought that up to a troon supporter about 4 or 5 years ago on facebook.. in a PRIVATE message.. Got zero response.


A week later, I openly expressed my disgust for the city of Bellingham, Washington caving into the "non-binary" bullshit.. I got a wall of hate from that troon on my public page.. I called him out on our private message.. he totally has ignored that conversation to this day.. which I have not deleted.

BTW; I also brought up "non-binary" as a key element that totaly undermines true transgendered people by making your gender a personal choice...and not truly going through the physical transformation whatsoever. Crickets... Apparently, they want to implode...and take much of the world with them as posssible.
 
davids877 said:
For some reason "askgaybros" on reddit is the only one of the LGB subreddits remaining who haven't gone full-T and also haven't been removed. There's sometimes some good threads there: "How is it that some gays and lesbians have really anti trans views?"
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Best comment: "
Why do the gays have (insert anti leftist belief here)?
Because people aren't hiveminded? Just because you are gay that doesn't mean you have to be a leftist. Imagine my shock.
For example Transgender are totally fine imo, but I am anti abortion and pro gun."
 
💗Bitchstopher Columbitch💗 said:
People keep arguing about trans stuff in other threads, so let's just bring the conversation here. Is being transgender a legitimate medical issue or a delusion? Do you need dysphoria to be trans? Does gender identity even exist? Should transwomen be allowed to use women's bathooms, play in women's sports teams or win scholarships for women? Should circumcised transwomen be treated like victims of female genital mutilation?

Discuss the validity of transgender ideology here.

My opinion:
Transwomen are men, transmen are women and intersex people have unfortunate birth defects. You can't change sex, but you can change gender. To clarify, by gender I mean social roles and fashion choices. Changing sex on your legal papers shouldn't be allowed. Gender presentation should be inconsequential in daily life and gender policing is trash. I strongly suspect most people do not have a gender identity. Bathrooms, changing rooms and sports teams should be sexed spaces rather than gendered spaces. Gender dysphoria should be considered a mental illness. People under 18 shouldn't be allowed to medically transition as puberty blockers and HRT could make them sterile or give them other health issues they'll regret down the road. The T should not be attached to the LGB since it usually refers to general gender nonconformity, dysphoria (a mental illness) or a plain old fetish.

That being said, I acknowledge there are some good transpeople out there and respect the plight of those who have dysphoria. Transitioning can be legitimately helpful for them.

The main problem with transgenderism is the culture that surrounds the movement. The lack of gatekeeping means there's no way to separate the wheat from the chaff. There's also a big problem with censorship in the community: transpeople often try to hide anything that goes against the party line and encourage each other not to speak out when another transperson does something bad. The ones who do speak out are called traitors and cis bootlickers. This censorship culture encourages the chaff problem to grow and the result is that the transgender movement is now filled with perverts, incels, opportunists and transtrenders. Munchausen mommies are encouraged to troon out their kids because it's a guaranteed way to get attention and anyone asking questions about what's going on is instantly labeled a bigot. If things keep going the way they are, transphobia will continue to grow.
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Most Transwomen are just men who are aroused by the idea of having female sexual organs or homosexual men.
 
Stumbled across this on Twitter. It's... Pretty amazing. If you swapped in a gay guy in an eighties/nineties fashion talking about learning to love vagina you've basically got a creepy Christian gay conversion video before, you know, that kind of thing became vilified.


All it takes for a lesbian to take girldick is move them into a segregated community for a couple years, surround them with the mentally ill, and bombard them with disinfo until they share the delusion.
 
Kornula said:
No one has "anti-trans" views. They are just expressing a DIFFERENT prospective than yours.
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This is my reaction to the whining about the states passing "anti-trans" laws.
No, saying that males can't play in female sports or use the female restroom is not "anti-trans". At worst it's "pro-biology"
 
I'm currently going down a bit of a rabbit hole on "puberty blockers" GnRH agonists such as Lupron. Everyone I've heard shilling them to trans youth makes the claim that they're completely safe and 100% reversible. If you search trans health sites you'll see this claim repeated over and over, making it hard to find unbiased information. The trick is to search information on it for those using it to treat endometriosis. Ten minutes on the Reddit sub (lol) later, I've read no less than 5 women vehemently oppose Lupron treatment, claiming it causes "irreversible damage". Hmm. Apparently it only hurts cis women, trans women are immune to bone loss, memory loss, etc. And this is all in grown ass women who aren't trying to stop development during puberty!

Relevant article on lawsuits

There's a doctor quoted in the article affirming the dangers. I have half a mind to try to contact him in some way to ask his opinion on if using Lupron on trans kids is okay at the same time being dangerous otherwise.
 
sour alcremie said:
I'm currently going down a bit of a rabbit hole on "puberty blockers" GnRH agonists such as Lupron. Everyone I've heard shilling them to trans youth makes the claim that they're completely safe and 100% reversible. If you search trans health sites you'll see this claim repeated over and over, making it hard to find unbiased information. The trick is to search information on it for those using it to treat endometriosis. Ten minutes on the Reddit sub (lol) later, I've read no less than 5 women vehemently oppose Lupron treatment, claiming it causes "irreversible damage". Hmm. Apparently it only hurts cis women, trans women are immune to bone loss, memory loss, etc. And this is all in grown ass women who aren't trying to stop development during puberty!

Relevant article on lawsuits

There's a doctor quoted in the article affirming the dangers. I have half a mind to try to contact him in some way to ask his opinion on if using Lupron on trans kids is okay at the same time being dangerous otherwise.
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If it is for cis women that is dangerous but thanks to the troon lobby, it is marketed as safe and reversible. This really makes trans people hang themselves. I honestly want the troon movement biting their own leg over gender ideology (If gender is a social construct, why bother changing your gender? and harm themselves). My guilty pleasure is seeing Chads troon out and unable to have sex again thanks to botched SRS.
 
One thing that interests me is there are cultures that have some form of gender bending or trans like social role. It isn't the same as being trans in the Western sense. I don't think that the "third gender" proves anything about Western trans idenity. Most of the third gender tend to act like outcast and some type of occult function. I wonder what they brings to the discussion.
 
Noir drag freak said:
One thing that interests me is there are cultures that have some form of gender bending or trans like social role. It isn't the same as being trans in the Western sense. I don't think that the "third gender" proves anything about Western trans idenity. Most of the third gender tend to act like outcast and some type of occult function. I wonder what they brings to the discussion.
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People would like to try and lump them all within one group context, but its just really such bad anthropology tbh, whenever anyone mentioned something like "two spirit", "third gender in India", etc.

Imagine taking a category such as religious leader in a community, and then generalizing and simplifying that to support a political ideology, when there are drastic differences between priests, shamans, edgy teen satanists, etc- and most wouldn't want to be lumped together based on a single common feature.

Now, if you actually get into troons in other cultures, here are some interesting aspects. Indian troons, or Hijras, are social outcasts, they have some of that "occult function", they tend to harass weddings, showing up uninvited, and threaten to curse them unless they are given gifts, and actually, for once, are pretty representative of what we are seeing in the west now. Entitlement, general narcissism, being unable to see that theyre the cause of all their own problems, etc https://www.ovarit.com/o/GenderCrit...transwomen-and-a-refusal-to-accept-boundaries

I think we all know that in Iran, they force their gays to undergo sex changes, because of a generalized homophobia there, and apparently it solves that problem (not going to get into that, but I think that adds a bleak aspect to that "third gender" in another culture").

On "Two-Spirited" people, if you actually look into it- its less being trans (because native americans literally had a rock and a stick for surgery, and otherwise its probably closer to being metrosexual or just blurring gender lines, not dysphoria or "wrong body".

Past all that, why should we even care about alternate culture? Many alternate cultures will mutilate genitals, sacrifice their children, or are otherwise pretty regressive- and it shows even in their "traditional trans" stuff.

Yeah, you can prove a point that the concept of "being trans" isn't new. It's not, but if you want to take a look at the actual old stuff, similar reactions to what we are seeing today made these same social groups also pretty condemnable for various reasons as well.
 
DiscoRodeo said:
People would like to try and lump them all within one group context, but its just really such bad anthropology tbh, whenever anyone mentioned something like "two spirit", "third gender in India", etc.
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I agree. No argument there.

Imagine taking a category such as religious leader in a community, and then generalizing and simplifying that to support a political ideology, when there are drastic differences between priests, shamans, edgy teen satanists, etc- and most wouldn't want to be lumped together based on a single common feature.

Now, if you actually get into troons in other cultures, here are some interesting aspects. Indian troons, or Hijras, are social outcasts, they have some of that "occult function", they tend to harass weddings, showing up uninvited, and threaten to curse them unless they are given gifts, and actually, for once, are pretty representative of what we are seeing in the west now. Entitlement, general narcissism, being unable to see that theyre the cause of all their own problems, etc https://www.ovarit.com/o/GenderCrit...transwomen-and-a-refusal-to-accept-boundaries

I think we all know that in Iran, they force their gays to undergo sex changes, because of a generalized homophobia there, and apparently it solves that problem (not going to get into that, but I think that adds a bleak aspect to that "third gender" in another culture").

On "Two-Spirited" people, if you actually look into it- its less being trans (because native americans literally had a rock and a stick for surgery, and otherwise its probably closer to being metrosexual or just blurring gender lines, not dysphoria or "wrong body".

Past all that, why should we even care about alternate culture? Many alternate cultures will mutilate genitals, sacrifice their children, or are otherwise pretty regressive- and it shows even in their "traditional trans" stuff.

Yeah, you can prove a point that the concept of "being trans" isn't new. It's not, but if you want to take a look at the actual old stuff, similar reactions to what we are seeing today made these same social groups also pretty condemnable for various reasons as well.
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I think that we should use alternate cultures to compare and contrast when talking about "abnormal" human behavior It could bring up something that we're not seeing. Personally, I don't like trans ideology because it makes it easier for women and vulnerable people to be harassed.
 
Kornula said:
Three: many doctors.both medical and otherwise who deal directly with dysphoria have recorded around 40% of people who went onto transition have attempted to..(and most have succeeded) commit suicide because of "buyers remorse:"
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Not 100% accurate. There was a survey of trans people in 2015 that indicated that 41% attempted suicide at some point in their lives. This includes trans people who never transitioned, or people who attempted suicide prior to transition. So it doesn't necessarily translate into buyer's remorse.
 
Shovel Mech Pilot said:
Not 100% accurate. There was a survey of trans people in 2015 that indicated that 41% attempted suicide at some point in their lives. This includes trans people who never transitioned, or people who attempted suicide prior to transition. So it doesn't necessarily translate into buyer's remorse.
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True...but about 30 years ago the John Hopkins Medical center stopped performing gender swapping surgery because of the high suicide/attempted suicide rate. I believe their own survey did cite quite a bit of "buyers remorse"
 
Kornula said:
True...but about 30 years ago the John Hopkins Medical center stopped performing gender swapping surgery because of the high suicide/attempted suicide rate. I believe their own survey did cite quite a bit of "buyers remorse"
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I agree with your general conclusion that gender change surgery ultimately causes more problems than it solves, but JHM didn't suspend their program for that reason. They have since restarted it. https://www.americanbar.org/groups/...-hospital-opens-center-for-trangender-health/
 
Anyone remember Kim Petras?
The poster child for early transitioning.
4chan thirsted a lot after him when he was 16:
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This is how he looks now lol
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