George RR Martin, his fanboys, and former fanbase

Their first sexual encounter is creepy af "he was very gentle" and later on they go with Dany feeling empowered for riding him. It's standard male feminist fare.
at least women are honest with writing their psuedo-rape (really just rape) fantasies
He's the textbook 3edgy5u when it comes to duty, loyalty, etc. I remember seeing a comment once describing his work as the anti-Romance of the Three Kingdoms, a story primarily concerned with the three brothers of the Peach Garden Oath and their unbreakable bonds of honor and loyalty.
It's the foundation of society for christ's sake. You won't kill me, so I won't kill you. It's not even actual politicking GRRM writes.
 
He's the textbook 3edgy5u when it comes to duty, loyalty, etc. I remember seeing a comment once describing his work as the anti-Romance of the Three Kingdoms, a story primarily concerned with the three brothers of the Peach Garden Oath and their unbreakable bonds of honor and loyalty.
Was medieval times that full of plots? I can understand some minor plotting by nobles, maybe a big plot by someone who got shafted hard by inheritance. But GoT has pretty much every person in very good stable position take massive risks for what amounts to a slight improvement in quality of life. Like what's the point in being a king compared to a major noble? It's not safer, you aren't eating better or have more free time. You aren't even that much in control.
 
Better than Howard, Burroughs, Lovecraft, or Herbert
Personally I think Janny Wurts is the better author of all four but if we really wanted to split hairs about what 'American Tolkien' means it should probably mean "Author who influenced the most people" and I'd say that would either be Edgar Allen Poe, Lovecraft, or Howard.
 
Was medieval times that full of plots? I can understand some minor plotting by nobles, maybe a big plot by someone who got shafted hard by inheritance. But GoT has pretty much every person in very good stable position take massive risks for what amounts to a slight improvement in quality of life. Like what's the point in being a king compared to a major noble? It's not safer, you aren't eating better or have more free time. You aren't even that much in control.
In all likelihood? Probably not. Setting aside all the potential arguments from ignorance about plots we never discovered, this was a time where people took their word and vows seriously. You gotta understand. This was a time where people hadn't the slightest clue of what we considered to be countries. Even historically "accurate" stuff like Kingdom Come: Deliverance mistakenly has some inkling of Czech nationalism when the townsfolk would be suspicious of anyone from outside of it in general. Only person you would trust was your family or immediate neighbor. Your lord, whether by tradition religion or power, is who you are sworn to because you get to live in his land. It got that and a lot of other things right though.

Religion was the only real unifying force of that time, to be honest. And good fucking lord can anyone with a basic awareness of how old societies relied on faith tear apart GRRM's nonsense. I'm sure one of the few things that binds people together and gives them hope in life won't be anything the nobility ever has to worry about. Even the High Sparrow shit doesn't come close to it. If the pope excommunicated you, that meant you were fucked. Remember the Road to Canossa. But in GRRM's retarded world you can probably kill the high septon, say it was some other guy pretending to be him so killing him is totally not a crime, and replace him with someone who declares you all the gods in one.
 
He's the textbook 3edgy5u when it comes to duty, loyalty, etc. I remember seeing a comment once describing his work as the anti-Romance of the Three Kingdoms, a story primarily concerned with the three brothers of the Peach Garden Oath and their unbreakable bonds of honor and loyalty.
Hell, look at the supposed main source of inspiration behind the War of the Five Kings and the Stark-Lannister conflict in general which was central to the first three books, the War of the Roses. There was a guy who changed sides so frequently (and all too often hedged his bets, ie. parking his contingent far away from battles and jumping in only after one side started clearly winning, when he wasn't actively backstabbing his current overlord) in that conflict that he was literally nicknamed the 'Prince of Turncoats', Baron John Wenlock, and his story ended with his irate ally galloping up to him & splitting his head open with an ax after attempting a backstab for the umpteenth time.

But in Gurm's work, someone like Wenlock would probably end up becoming king. There are entire houses that seem to just skate by with no meaningful or lasting consequences after betraying their oath over & over again, sometimes across millennia! The Boltons (multiple anti-Stark revolts, flayed a Stark king at one point, and yet somehow they survive thousands of years into the story's present day even when their collaborators in one such rising, House Greystark, was annihilated) and Freys (showed up conveniently late to the climactic battle of Robert's Rebellion and got away with a lousy nickname, then threatened to not join his overlord in supporting the Starks at the start of the War of the Five Kings and got rewarded for such insolence with the fatal marriage contract between Robb & one of his daughters) are the most infamous but far from the only ones like this. The Peakes for example are literally only ever brought up when causing a civil war, a rebellion, or at the very least scheming against their own allies, and yet somehow like the Boltons, they too are still around in the time of the main story.

Realistically, a house with such a consistent record of backstabbing like the Boltons or Peakes would have been exterminated and their lands chopped up between more loyal nobles ages ago (especially the former, the early Stark kings were described in worldbuilding materials like World of Ice and Fire as not being as honorable as Ned and actually quite ruthless & bloodthirsty, so it's especially wacky that they let the Boltons live for so long). Walder Frey would've at minimum been dispossessed of the Twins after Robert's Rebellion (because even if the Tullys/King Robert were inclined to let him live, no sane person would trust a man who's betrayed them once with a crossing of great strategic import), and so on.

Was medieval times that full of plots? I can understand some minor plotting by nobles, maybe a big plot by someone who got shafted hard by inheritance. But GoT has pretty much every person in very good stable position take massive risks for what amounts to a slight improvement in quality of life. Like what's the point in being a king compared to a major noble? It's not safer, you aren't eating better or have more free time. You aren't even that much in control.
Mass scheming & betrayal was more of a thing in the Late Middle Ages when the social contract was fraying under the stress of things like the Black Death and the Western Schism, and even then only in times of civil war (like the War of the Roses). In the context of the WOTR that Martin's war is based on though, it's worth noting that pretty much NONE of the betrayals in that particular clusterfuck ended well. Building on the example of Wenlock above, the Duke of Clarence also changed sides twice and while forgiven at first by his brother King Edward IV, was drowned in his favorite wine by said brother's order after planning another betrayal. Clarence's father-in-law, Warwick the Kingmaker - the greatest single landowner in all of England at the time - was killed at Barnet for also betraying Edward IV and his massive estates split up between Edward's brothers, both of whom had married his daughters. And of course Clarence's brother Richard of Gloucester, AKA the (in)famous Richard III, was himself abandoned to his death at Bosworth Field by the Percies after betraying E4's memory by usurping his son Edward V (though Ricardians will in turn argue that he only did that because the boy-king's maternal family, the Woodvilles - themselves early defectors from Lancaster - were trying to betray him first).

Generally speaking, spitting on honor and being a backstabbing asshole in an attempt to get ahead was not a good idea in a society that depended hugely on honor (as a marker of how reliable you were personally) to function. Conversely, playing by the rules worked out pretty well more often than you might think based on GRRM's works. One of the biggest beneficiaries of Henry Tudor's ultimate victory was the Earl of Oxford, a zealous Lancastrian loyalist from start to finish who never once forsook his allegiance despite spending a decade in a Yorkist prison, not even after it seemed that the Lancastrian cause had been completely destroyed with both the main Lancaster branch and its cadet dynasty the Beauforts at Tewkesbury. You can also compare the War of the Roses to an earlier, High Medieval civil conflict in the same kingdom, 'The Anarchy' of the 12th century: there weren't too many dramatic defections in that one and at one point the king of one side, Stephen of Blois, was actually captured by his enemies - but his enemies didn't kill him (as GRRM logic would dictate, imagine if the Lannisters had captured Robb or the Starks had Tywin & Joffrey at their mercy) because honor, which eventually saved their own marshal the Earl of Gloucester's life a year later as Stephen was exchanged for him after his capture.
 
There are entire houses that seem to just skate by with no meaningful or lasting consequences after betraying their oath over & over again, sometimes across millennia!
World building and logic are some of GRRM's worst areas of writing. His sense of scale and time is utterly preposterous and outright impossible. It heavily bled over into the HBO adaptation where by the end of the show characters are teleporting, young characters have aged up rapidly and behave like adults despite being not even teenagers, and the dragons have their sizes essentially hand waved and ignored just so that the final battle can take place. Disobedient and rebellious great Houses just existing without consequences for thousands of years is perfectly acceptable to the faggots who worship GRRM and his "Aragorn's tax plan" criticism of Tolkien while ignoring the galaxy sized plot holes and leaps in logic in ASOIAF.

The dragons grow from being small dog sized to able to swallow a horse whole in the span of a few years because GRRM never planned his story around them growing in a way that makes any sense. Even just throwing out "well they are magic creatures" is just admissions that GRRM's 'realistic' take on fantasy was a mediocre or failed effort. In the books the dragons are going to have to just magically age into giant creatures without any rational explanation.

Then you have Westeros being perpetually stuck in their medieval technology with no one discovering oil or steam or electricity. The timeline is that the men from Essos came to Westeros 12,000 years ago and settled the land. 12,000 years with almost zero technological progression literally anywhere. Somehow they are stuck in their fantasy dark ages for twelve straight millennia. And even worse is that they never seem to question the supernatural climate and if there is anything beyond the Wall. When in reality people have been exploring every end of the Earth to the point of suicide with mountain climbs and underwater exploration and arctic voyages. Yet the people of Westeros seem to have zero willingness nor curiosity to see their world explored.

None of the world makes sense. Yet Tolkien not giving detailed accounts of tax procedures is apparently a valid criticism.
 
World building and logic are some of GRRM's worst areas of writing. His sense of scale and time is utterly preposterous and outright impossible. It heavily bled over into the HBO adaptation where by the end of the show characters are teleporting, young characters have aged up rapidly and behave like adults despite being not even teenagers, and the dragons have their sizes essentially hand waved and ignored just so that the final battle can take place. Disobedient and rebellious great Houses just existing without consequences for thousands of years is perfectly acceptable to the faggots who worship GRRM and his "Aragorn's tax plan" criticism of Tolkien while ignoring the galaxy sized plot holes and leaps in logic in ASOIAF.
Yep. Bad fanfiction writing. Reminds me all too well of those autists on TV tropes that criticize the series they think they can do better yet can't for the life of them create anything of their own.
Then you have Westeros being perpetually stuck in their medieval technology with no one discovering oil or steam or electricity. The timeline is that the men from Essos came to Westeros 12,000 years ago and settled the land. 12,000 years with almost zero technological progression literally anywhere. Somehow they are stuck in their fantasy dark ages for twelve straight millennia. And even worse is that they never seem to question the supernatural climate and if there is anything beyond the Wall. When in reality people have been exploring every end of the Earth to the point of suicide with mountain climbs and underwater exploration and arctic voyages. Yet the people of Westeros seem to have zero willingness nor curiosity to see their world explored.
Although, this also isn't really a good criticism to make. It took us more than a few thousand years to discover there was an entirely separate set of continents. Hell, I doubt we were even aware of what continents were for a good set of that time. Technology isn't a linear scale either. The invention of gunpowder and guns themselves was more a freak accident than anything else. China had the crossbow figured out nearly a millennium before Europe. You're going for realism for more as an aesthetic at this point than honest to god realism, which is we kind of figured shit out by accident. This isn't counting lord knows how much millennia we spent as cavemen.

You are levying all these criticisms at a world that doesn't even have common literacy yet, man.
but greatest of all, it's fucking fiction dude
 
Although, this also isn't really a good criticism to make. It took us more than a few thousand years to discover there was an entirely separate set of continents. Hell, I doubt we were even aware of what continents were for a good set of that time. Technology isn't a linear scale either. The invention of gunpowder and guns themselves was more a freak accident than anything else. China had the crossbow figured out nearly a millennium before Europe. You're going for realism for more as an aesthetic at this point than honest to god realism, which is we kind of figured shit out by accident more than anything else. This isn't counting lord knows how much millennia we spent as cavemen.

You are levying all these criticisms at a world that doesn't even have common literacy yet, man.
We as a species obviously knew the Americas existed, but none of them had invented writing yet.
A lot of weirdo primitivism in human history is just a product of a few things going wrong and not the world existing in stasis for years on end. The fact that there's next to zero technological evolution in Westeros post-Targaryen invasion is pretty damn weird and flies in the face of both Chinese and European medievalism, which just tells me George didn't know how to portray it and conveniently forgot about it.
Like, you know what humans do when one government's been in power for a long while and there aren't constant wars killing everybody? They invent shit. Jahaerys' reign alone should've overseen mass technological progress that just never happened.
 
We as a species obviously knew the Americas existed, but none of them had invented writing yet.
A lot of weirdo primitivism in human history is just a product of a few things going wrong and not the world existing in stasis for years on end. The fact that there's next to zero technological evolution in Westeros post-Targaryen invasion is pretty damn weird and flies in the face of both Chinese and European medievalism, which just tells me George didn't know how to portray it and conveniently forgot about it.
The mistake here is thinking the results of our actions as a collective are right or wrong rather than a consequence of our existences. We're not following some natural law or path set in place. We build off of our neighbors and our ancestors. Just as easily as we had rapid advancement, we could've stagnated instead. It's just very foolish to think this is how things will always go when we still have fucking cave men like that one island or, lord forbid, Africa.
Edit: This is also leaving out the fact sometimes we destroy shit. More of then than not, really. Like records of the Nahuatl (Aztecs) and the Mongols doing their thing. Shit's complicated.

The Westerosi are niggers and the Targaryens were so disgusted they decided to be inbred rather than be normal. The bloodline pure shit is just cope. Change my mind.
 
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Interestingly, Romance contains an interesting anecdote about the fate of unreliable schemers: Lu Bu, the most powerful warrior in all of China, approaches Cao Cao and offers him his services. Cao Cao considers it until Liu Bai, who was working with him at the time, points out that regardless of his skills, Lu Bu has betrayed every master he's ever had. So Cao Cao has Lu Bu killed instead.

The moral of the story, kids, is that stabbing people in the back makes other people more liable to stab you in the back. Amoral treachery is inherently unstable because it ultimately betrays and destroys itself.
It's even worse than that. He became their adopted son as proof of his fealty, which is why he's called a thrice bastard (there is no exact translation). His price was generally kinda low for that sort of thing like the fastest horse or a concubine. That scene with Cao Cao is even more pathetic since he was begging for his life.

 
There is no American Tolkien (or any nationality). What he built, nobody's able to replicate. It's not just that he finished his story, he set up modern fantasy in a way that most current fantasy is still heavily influenced by it and impossible to replicate.

A close candidate could be Rowling. HP saga ain't remotely similar to LotR, but the influence she had was huge. Most of modern YA was somehow inspired by her: Hunger Games, Divergent, etc. more than 25 years later and HP is still producing successful media.

GRRM is also producing media, but I fear it will never recover properly from the disaster that was GoT. HotD is not causing the cultural effect the first seasons of GoT did. Casuals are watching, but fans want the books.
 
There is no American Tolkien (or any nationality). What he built, nobody's able to replicate. It's not just that he finished his story, he set up modern fantasy in a way that most current fantasy is still heavily influenced by it and impossible to replicate.
Robert Heinlein is arguably more influential than Tolkien but he worked in science fiction instead of fantasy. Starcraft and Warhammer 40K massively borrow from Starship Troopers and are basically unlicensed remakes. Gundam was directly inspired by the Power Armor from Starship Troopers as were the Brotherhood of Steel and Enclave in Fallout. Gundam and Fallout have military factions that are directly based on the ultra fascist groups in Starship Troopers. Halo borrows heavily from Starship Troopers as does lots of the Alien franchise (James Cameron had all actors read the book before they started filming). Doom and Metroid and lots of other games. Pretty much all hardcore military franchises like G.I Joe were influenced by Starship Troopers.

Power Armor alone is a massive creation for science fiction. Think about how many random franchises and stories use some version of the armor. Exo Squad, Dead Space, Avatar, Edge of Tomorrow, Iron Man, Half Life's HEV suit. The list is endless.

Frank Herbert and George Lucas had a lot of influence as well. Practically every space fantasy is trying desperately to copy their works (mostly just praying in vain to be as financially successful and not for any artistic merit.
A close candidate could be Rowling. HP saga ain't remotely similar to LotR, but the influence she had was huge. Most of modern YA was somehow inspired by her: Hunger Games, Divergent, etc. more than 25 years later and HP is still producing successful media.
A lot of that stuff came out of Battle Royale. Where people wanted to see more R-rated or violent stuff involving high school aged protagonists. Hunger Games is literally a ripoff of Battle Royale with PG-13 violence and young attractive White actors and actresses to pull in the American movie crowd. Probably the author of Hunger Games was not influenced at all by Harry Potter.

Battle Royale inspired a bunch of "free for all" movie clones. And in the wake of that you got stuff like Fortnite eventually.
 
A close candidate could be Rowling. HP saga ain't remotely similar to LotR, but the influence she had was huge. Most of modern YA was somehow inspired by her: Hunger Games, Divergent, etc. more than 25 years later and HP is still producing successful media.
I really don't think Rowling had the influence you think she did. She wrote classic boarding school mysteries with a magic twist. Most of the plethora of YA novels turned into huge franchises for whatever reason were dystopic hellholes with the kids struggling through it. They honestly owe more to Battle Royale and Twilight than they do Harry Potter.
 
God forgive me, but the American Tolkien is probably George Lucas with Star Wars. Since it is comparable in outright defining its genre for decades and having massive following. Obviously there is a difference in ability (SW was a group effort), but nothing in Fantasy genre ever came close in being henre defining to Tolkien. Including HP that had the popularity but instead of pushing people into fantasy made a YA genre thatbis populated by "kids in a dark world" plotline.
Although, this also isn't really a good criticism to make. It took us more than a few thousand years to discover there was an entirely separate set of continents. Hell, I doubt we were even aware of what continents were for a good set of that time. Technology isn't a linear scale either. The invention of gunpowder and guns themselves was more a freak accident than anything else. China had the crossbow figured out nearly a millennium before Europe. You're going for realism for more as an aesthetic at this point than honest to god realism, which is we kind of figured shit out by accident. This isn't counting lord knows how much millennia we spent as cavemen.
The three reasons for technological stagnation are:
1. Lack of physical/mental resources to invent new things (Americas/Africa).
2. Lack of time/reason to innovate (primitive societies before cities, hunter gatherers).
3. An outside/internal force preventing innovation (imperial China)

None of them apply in the case of GoT unless Martin decides that basic thermo dynamics and physics don't apply to kick off the industrial age.
 
You all are wrong. The reason there is no “American Tolkien”, is because Tolkien is actually the British Lovecraft/Howard. Those two essentially created a new genre and influenced everything after them (even Tolkien has the odd allusion to Eldritch horrors, mostly in Moria), and continue to influence modern writers, filmmakers, games, and so on.

Tolkien is the best equivalent to them. Stephen King is the next closest, probably.
 
Am I going senile, because I can't for the life of me figure out/remember why anyone continued to follow the "Iron Throne" once the dragons were extinct.

Even if it was out of some tradition, what was the purpose of keeping "the kingdom" around with Robert? What exactly does the Iron Throne give to the other 7 Kingdoms to warrant their fealty?
 
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Am I going senile, because I can't for the life of me figure out.remember why anyone continued to follow the "Iron Throne" once the dragons were extinct.

Even if it was out of some tradition, what was the purpose of keeping "the kingdom" around with Robert? What exactly does the Iron Throne give to the other 7 Kingdoms to warrant their fealty?
A good question, to which I have never once seen a good answer even when I was still regularly keeping up with ASOIAF/GOT content. The closest I've seen to one was 'continent-wide peace', which isn't entirely true: Targaryen rule did bring an end to the endemic warfare between the divided Seven Kingdoms, but that was replaced with a smaller number of far more destructive civil wars which tended to draw in the entire continent (the Faith Militant Uprising, the Dance of the Dragons, the Blackfyre Rebellions and finally Robert's Rebellion & then the post-Targ War of Five Kings) while the earlier wars were also smaller-scale, so it balances out overall. IOW they basically replaced medieval skirmishes & border conflicts with total wars of a more modern nature - to use a real-life comparison, the Thirty Years' War for instance devastated way more lands & killed a hell of a lot more people across the Holy Roman Empire, IIRC around 6-7 million people, than probably every medieval German conflict put together in a much smaller timeframe. The same is true of the Wars of the Three Kingdoms across Britain (1639-1653) compared to every conflict in medieval England from the Viking invasions to the War of the Roses, with Ireland getting the worst of it & most notably losing about 50% of its population. (I've also said this much before, but the extreme brutality of the Wo5K has a lot more in common with accounts of the Thirty Years' War than those of medieval conflicts, as well.)

The other, even less reasonable answers I can recall were:
  • Economic development: The Targaryens' only lasting infrastructure contributions to Westeros in their ~300 years of rule were 1) their own capital of King's Landing and 2) the Kingsroad, a single road network. So yeah, not really. In contrast, I certainly couldn't list all the lasting infrastructure projects of the Romans from just say, the Principate era in this one post, nor those of medieval Europe from 1000 to 1300 (just think of how many of those are still tourist attractions today). The lost potential here is so obvious and extreme that it's become a bit of a meme in ASOIAF fanfic circles to autistically fixate on building a huge canal through the Neck (the region connecting the North to the other six kingdoms) or, to a lesser extent, smaller canals connecting the rivers of the Trident in the...well, Riverlands together.
  • Progressive social reforms: Uh, well Good Queen Alysanne made it illegal to 1) beat your wife more than six times if you catch her cheating on you, 2) to mistreat or disinherit your children with your first wife without good reason if you remarry after she dies, and 3) to rape your peasants' wives on their wedding night (the 'right of first night', which is still practiced by houses of the far North anyway, most notably the Boltons). And that's about all the social progress the Targs managed to get rolling in 300 years, wowee. Also, it almost goes without saying, but Westeros was/is far more misogynistic than the real medieval Europe (especially the whole 'right of first night' thing, which was never a thing IRL).
  • Political & cultural inertia: Considering the Targaryens were overthrown before the events of the main story, this one obviously isn't true. Of the Great Houses raised up by the Targaryens, the Tyrells (Reach) and Tullys (Riverlands) owed them the most, having never been kings before: but the Tyrells' hold is especially unstable (Olenna Redwyne complains about Reach houses with better blood ties to the extinct royal house of that kingdom, the Gardeners, threatening them even 300 years after the Gardeners were destroyed) and the Tullys helped betray & cast down the Targaryens in Robert's Rebellion anyway. The Baratheons, a Targ cadet branch who were given the Stormlands and absorbed the former Stormlander royal house of the Durrandons by marriage, once tried to secede decades before overthrowing the Targaryens as well.
So yeah, realistically the Iron Throne should have collapsed immediately after the Dance of Dragons (where fucking peasant mobs were able to murder a whole bunch of dragons in the capital! Aside from thinning the dragons' numbers, this incident should also have dealt a crippling blow to their intimidation factor) or, at the very latest, early in the reign of Aegon III who took power at the end of that conflict (who tried to spawn more dragons, but ultimately only succeeded with a short-lived and sickly hatchling). The Starks, Lannisters, Arryns and Martells were all kings once and should gladly have become such once more when the opportunity presented itself; the Baratheons could've become Storm Kings as they already tried in canon; the Tyrells should logically be overthrown without their overlord('s dragons) to protect them and their rivals can then duke it out to become the next King of the Reach, a contest which will most likely be won by House Hightower since control of Oldtown gives that family huge manpower/financial/spiritual advantages over their competitors; and Tully may or may not have a shot at becoming the new Kings of the Trident (they're better-established than the Tyrells, and all the former River King houses are extinct as of the timeframe of the series). But instead everyone stays in this nonsensical zombie continent-wide union, established by a family of foreign invaders most of them consider to be walking affronts to their gods backed by the might of flying fire-breathing demons, for no good reason.

Tl;dr the real answer is that, as in many other cases, Fat Man Martin is horrible at worldbuilding.
 
Winds of Winter may come out in 3 or 4 years (very optimistically speaking), but that will be the last one. Cannot see Martin finishing his magnus opum, his story has become so complex and convoluted that two books won't be enough without some good old "kill your darlings" for 3/4 of his story lines. I enjoyed the first three books very much, but #4 and #5 were such bores and I remember almost nothing from them.
For American Tolkien, I guess most fantasy readers would consider Brandon Sanderson as a contender for the title. Wrote a shitton of stuff and still not ready with no end in sight, although he already kinda peaked with his mistborn series.
 
Winds of Winter may come out in 3 or 4 years (very optimistically speaking), but that will be the last one.
The very strong rumors going around are that GRRM turned down a few ghostwriter offers to finish his series. And now with his angry blog posting rants about the "haters" he is likely devoid of any motivation to see the main series finished on paper no matter who actually writes the ending. Him seeing the reception of his endings in the HBO series drained his motivation to conclude the narrative not just on his own but at all as long as his name is attached as 'author'. He clearly is writing all sorts of other stuff from short stories to video game lore. So it's not the writing. It's just ASOIAF the main story that he hates.

Quite a few number of prominent fantasy authors have contacted GRRM's publisher and even HBO directly. Floating their names to be the ghostwriter of the books should GRRM stop writing or croak in his sleep. Some have even gone public trying to put their names in discussion or put pressure on GRRM through his fans. It's been over a decade now with almost no progress and signs of GRRM being repulsed and nauseated by the task of ending the books.
Cannot see Martin finishing his magnus opum, his story has become so complex and convoluted that two books won't be enough without some good old "kill your darlings" for 3/4 of his story lines.
Four more books is not even enough. I would argue if the 'Others' or 'White Walkers' are some massive threat that their chapters and great war against man should outnumber the rest of the chapters in the entire story. Meaning there should be more "Battle of Ice and Fire" chapters than all other side story chapters combined. To actually show them as a significant once ever existential threat. Not just the one episode they got in the HBO series. Where their grand efforts to proceed beyond the Wall sufficed in a single battle where they all ended up dying to a thirteen-year-old girl child and fizzling out into nothing.

The "long" night of eternal darkness and no hope and pure despair.....being merely part of night actual night. Before everything went right back to normal.
I enjoyed the first three books very much, but #4 and #5 were such bores and I remember almost nothing from them.
And books four and five are really just book four split it into two without proper editing. You remove the unnecessary baggage and tedium of those books and you can likely combine them into one tighter narrative.
 
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