EU Germany: A "Latent Sense Of Insecurity"

Germany: A "Latent Sense Of Insecurity"

Fifty-seven percent of Germans say that "increasingly being told what to say and how to behave" is getting on their nerves...

www.zerohedge.com

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A recent annual poll, conducted in September, confirms Malchow's estimate: Every year since 1992, R+V, Germany's largest insurance firm, has been asking Germans what they fear most. "This year, for the first time," according to a report in Deutsche Welle, "a majority said they were most afraid that the country would be unable to deal with the aftermath of the migrant influx of 2015". Fifty-six percent of those polled said they were scared that the country would not be able to deal with the number of migrants. This September marked exactly four years since Chancellor Angela Merkel opened Germany's borders and allowed in almost a million migrants. However, Ulrich Wagner, professor of social psychology at the University of Marburg told Deutsche Welle:

"It's really got more to do with the fact that politicians and media discuss this issue a great deal — which triggers fear... For example, in the latest study, fear of terrorism has clearly gone down. We simply don't discuss this issue as much as we used to, and that means that people feel safer."

What the professor appears to imply is that you can solve a crucial societal issue, not by debating its ramifications and publicly seeking to find solutions to it, but by not talking about it, thereby lulling the public into a false sense of security by pretending that the problem does not exist.

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What I don't understand about countries in the EU is why they even bother to remain unified anymore. What different would it make, practically, if Germany as a whole were divided into 6 parts along the lines of how it was divided after the war? It just doesn't seem like any German wants to stay German so why not just allow it to be a bunch of smaller countries.

 

[Ira the Weatherman]

People who think that the migrant wave from 2015 was too much to handle it are stupid.
Back in 1989 we germans took 11 million economy refugees ( the east germans) . It was no problem back then and its no problem today.

It's apples and coconuts. What happened in 1989 was the re-unification of an impoverished, smaller half of Germany with the more prosperous half. They weren't 'refugees', they were new citizens of a newly (re)annexed land. The understanding was to invest greatly in the new region so that it could grow out of a broken Socialist economy and become integrated into the new Germany. People were still expected to work, most of the money went to infrastructure and the like. And Eastern Germany still is a shit hole in any case.

It's a far cry from the way Germany is treating asylum seekers, who are given free housing, food and money, with little expectation or prodding to find employment in either the short or long-term. Add the patheticly servile way your media and government treats them like precious little children, and you could almost argue that they're first rate citizens of the country, whereas the actual citizens are being treated like contemptible paypigs.

And the majority of the german people are NOT afraid of the migrants.

Wrong. Over half the German population now view asylum seekers negatively. A figure that's only been rising over the last few years, not decreasing.

Statistics show that migrants are not more criminal than germans.

That's absolute bullshit and everyone knows it, and has known it for years by now. A Bundeskriminalamt report in 2018 revealed that Zuwanderer (migrants) composed nearly 166.000 out of 1.93 million total criminal suspects, or about 8,6%. Given the total German population in 2018 was around 82,8 million, and the asylum seeking population was 1.5 million; that means 2,4% of the total non-migrant population were criminal suspects in that year, compared to 11,1% of the migrants. That means that recent migrants are four and a half times more likely to commit crimes than anyone else in the country. And I'm being generous by including naturalized foreigners with the native Gernman population, and not looking at a crime-by-crime basis.

Your country is doing a shit fucking job at dealing with these people, and it would be funny if you weren't trying to drag the rest of us down with you.

 

[No. 7 cat]

Europe already has enough of an underclass, be they lumpenproletariat or Roma / gypsies. The evil old witch Merkel won't suffer the consequences. The German states most heavily flooded with that thrash are at least moving increasingly towards AFD, but so many seem in the grips of the dogma that rejecting migrants is racists. But a big portion of those voting for CDU / SDP and other powers that be approved parties will only ever see the migrant on a screen or on paper, through the filter of controlled news providers.

 

[Stoneheart]

this is fakenews! germans would never say that they feel bad about beeing told what to do.

People who think that the migrant wave from 2015 was too much to handle it are stupid.
Back in 1989 we germans took 11 million economy refugees ( the east germans) . It was no problem back then and its no problem today. And the majority of the german people are NOT afraid of the migrants. Statistics show that migrants are not more criminal than germans.

the east germans mostly stayed in the east, and it was expensive as hell, why should we do the same for other people?
African didnt wanted to be rule by europeans and now they want to come and be ruled by europeans in europe?

Back in the 60's and 70's Italy was a hive of industry, Automotive, Textiles, Food, Movies (spaghetti western!) all because the Italian bureaucracy were able to play with the value of the Lira when they needed to. They're completely fucked now, reliant on EU financial support, which only comes after they pick a Government the EU approves of.

They are fucked now because they are giving to many handouts to lazy southern Italians. they dont realy have an EU or Euro problem.
the EU cant do anything against a far right italian government since Poland, Austria and others would block sanctions.

the real problems in Europe and germany is voting rights for woman, citizenship for non europeans and communist elites.

 

[Basil II]

not to mention most of Brandenburg is currently owned by Poland.

remov polen

 

[Webby's Boyfriend]

Hahaha , when migrant haters spread fake news @manuelberg

When furfag yiffers sperg out.

Germany is still run by their descendants, elite continuity being a thing after all. But their descendants are all wannabee cosmopolitan citizens of the world and oikophobe eco nuts who want to run the place into the ground at high speed because having stupid luxury beliefs is a high status thing and possesing a entirely negative German identity.

Uh, like, what?

 

[Tealeaf]

the east germans mostly stayed in the east, and it was expensive as hell, why should we do the same for other people?

The whole EU is a project to move cash from the cash-flush central Europe to the investment-starved hinterlands. It didn't really stop at East Germany. It's all a slow motion train wreck.

 

[Zbk3VmLfujjzjxBd43tL]

You kinda can solve a problem by not talking about it. Trump wouldn't have won without the media being 24/7 ORANGE MAN BAD since 2015. And maybe if they stopped praising and glorifying mass shooters they would've stopped at least a few shootings. And by not talking about how Richard Spencer or Nick Fuentes or whoever is indoctrining 6 gorillion white men into alt-right Nazi incelism and going on endlessly about how alt-right Nazi incels are everywhere then all of these people would remain obscure.

 

[FEED ME JOSH]

You kinda can solve a problem by not talking about it. Trump wouldn't have won without the media being 24/7 ORANGE MAN BAD since 2015. And maybe if they stopped praising and glorifying mass shooters they would've stopped at least a few shootings. And by not talking about how Richard Spencer or Nick Fuentes or whoever is indoctrining 6 gorillion white men into alt-right Nazi incelism and going on endlessly about how alt-right Nazi incels are everywhere then all of these people would remain obscure.

The question is which problem you are solving. The migrants, who come from cultural and religious backgrounds that aren't compatible with ours, are here en masse and more will come thanks to our government. Not talking about it won't stop muslims from committing terror attacks, it will keep the germans (and europeans in general) comfy, thinking everything is just okay until it is too late (which is exactly what they want)

 

[LetThemEatCake]

Germany and certain other Northern European countries made a lot of money from the Single Market and Single currency.

Once countries like Greece, Spain, Italy and Greece got locked into the Euro, they lost the ability to devalue their currencies, their industry became hopelessly uncompetitive, so essentially they became German captive markets. With the EU external tariffs locking out a lot of foreign competitors.

Back in the 60's and 70's Italy was a hive of industry, Automotive, Textiles, Food, Movies (spaghetti western!) all because the Italian bureaucracy were able to play with the value of the Lira when they needed to. They're completely fucked now, reliant on EU financial support, which only comes after they pick a Government the EU approves of.

The year the EU took over Italy

The economy, immigration and the make-up of the cabinet are all conditional on Brussels’ approval.

www.spiked-online.com

Everyone likes to pat Iceland on the back for putting some of the guilty bankers in jail, but fewer people like to talk about what got Iceland out of its mess was not being in the EU, not being part of the Euro and thus being able to again, devalue their currency for a while. Iceland actually had an application to join to EU in progress which it withdrew in 2013, to not a lot of foriegn media fanfare, unsuprisingly - Iceland being a country said media often likes to pat on the head for being massively 'progressive' and nice and having lesbian PMs etc, etc. Something we are assured can only be possible in the 'progressive' EU. Why then would a nation like Iceland quietly qithdraw its application? The writing being on the wall regarding the Eurozone's inherent faults and massive failure post-2008 surely has nothing to do with it. Yeah, right.

Something that also rarely gets explained to the masses - the grotesque amounts of money poured into financial net-beneficiary EU nations (ie most of them - after Germany, Britain and France the net contributer drop-off is abrupt), often quietly circles its way back to Germany again. The greatest net beneficiary of EU funds is Poland. Much of this money is for 'structural funds' ie. road building and the like in the poorer, undeveloped eastern side of the country. Part of the legalities of receving these funds (600 billion last time I looked in regard to Poland) is that countries are required to put out the contracts for the work done to bids from companies ALL EU nations (something that will be law reqgrading train network contracts soon, btw). Amazingly enough, huge German companies often win the contracts to do the work, ensuring a good percentage of the money paid INTO Poland finds its way circuitously back to the German economy over time.

 

[Ira the Weatherman]

Everyone likes to pat Iceland on the back for putting some of the guilty bankers in jail, but fewer people like to talk about what got Iceland out of its mess was not being in the EU, not being part of the Euro and thus being able to again, devalue their currency for a while. Iceland actually had an application to join to EU in progress which it withdrew in 2013, to not a lot of foriegn media fanfare, unsuprisingly - Iceland being a country said media often likes to pat on the head for being massively 'progressive' and nice and having lesbian PMs etc, etc. Something we are assured can only be possible in the 'progressive' EU. Why then would a nation like Iceland quietly qithdraw its application? The writing being on the wall regarding the Eurozone's inherent faults and massive failure post-2008 surely has nothing to do with it. Yeah, right.

Something that also rarely gets explained to the masses - the grotesque amounts of money poured into financial net-beneficiary EU nations (ie most of them - after Germany, Britain and France the net contributer drop-off is abrupt), often quietly circles its way back to Germany again. The greatest net beneficiary of EU funds is Poland. Much of this money is for 'structural funds' ie. road building and the like in the poorer, undeveloped eastern side of the country. Part of the legalities of receving these funds (600 billion last time I looked in regard to Poland) is that countries are required to put out the contracts for the work done to bids from companies ALL EU nations (something that will be law reqgrading train network contracts soon, btw). Amazingly enough, huge German companies often win the contracts to do the work, ensuring a good percentage of the money paid INTO Poland finds its way circuitously back to the German economy over time.

It's the same deal with the Association Treaty with the Ukraine. There were enough people across the continent that warned that such a treaty, that gives the Ukraine select perks of EU membership without fulfilling any of its usual demands and regulations, was a bad idea. And they were all proved right. The EU (through organs such as the EIB and EBRD) had been pumping tens of billions of subsidies and loans into the country before the treaty had even been signed. Guess where a lot of those ended up? Massive corrupt companies with ties to the state like poultry giant Myronivsky Hilboproduct, which has been flooding EU countries with tariff-free battery chickens that don't have to adhere to EU or national regulations, meaning they can be sold for nearly half the price as local chickens. MEPs (so the only arm of the EU that is actually elected) finally closed the tariff loophole three years after it had been introduced, but that still doesn't solve the problem of unfair competition and mass oversupply in local markets. It just means the Eurocrats get their fucking cut, not any national government. This is just a brief summary of one example, I'd be busy all night if I were to detail all the things wrong with just this treaty, and how it fucks over the average European to put money in the pockets of megacorps and their bureaucrat lapdogs.

 

[SmileyTimeDayCare]

Someone should write a book detailing their struggle.

 

[Ira the Weatherman]

Someone should write a book detailing their struggle.

Seems a bit passive. They should try to put some real effort in if they want to achieve political change. Work sets you free, after all.

 

[Otterly]

The thing about why won’t they break up countries is an interesting point. There are a number of regional independence movements in Europe - the basques want independence, the Scots do amd there are loads of other regional movements (Bosnia, Finland, Switzerland and loads of other countries have bits that want their own control.)
The monolithic EU is afraid of this. It reduces their power and reach for one thing. There are also very recent cases where balkanisation has been disastrous as it happened, and European cohesion after WWI/II was pushed as a reason to create a European empire, I mean union. We also have Russia on our doorstep and Russia is big.
. But..You can argue that a loose coalition of nation states is a more free and stable arrangement than a huge empire. I certainly think it is. Hence the UK voting for brexit. There is even a movement in Germany to have Bavaria be independent. I suppose these things wax and wane - smaller countries get absorbed into empires and then empires break up. A lot is riding on how well the Uk fares post brexit. If we do OK, you’ll see a lot of other regional independence movements gain strength.

 

[LetThemEatCake]

It's the same deal with the Association Treaty with the Ukraine. There were enough people across the continent that warned that such a treaty, that gives the Ukraine select perks of EU membership without fulfilling any of its usual demands and regulations, was a bad idea. And they were all proved right. The EU (through organs such as the EIB and EBRD) had been pumping tens of billions of subsidies and loans into the country before the treaty had even been signed. Guess where a lot of those ended up? Massive corrupt companies with ties to the state like poultry giant Myronivsky Hilboproduct, which has been flooding EU countries with tariff-free battery chickens that don't have to adhere to EU or national regulations, meaning they can be sold for nearly half the price as local chickens. MEPs (so the only arm of the EU that is actually elected) finally closed the tariff loophole three years after it had been introduced, but that still doesn't solve the problem of unfair competition and mass oversupply in local markets. It just means the Eurocrats get their fucking cut, not any national government. This is just a brief summary of one example, I'd be busy all night if I were to detail all the things wrong with just this treaty, and how it fucks over the average European to put money in the pockets of megacorps and their bureaucrat lapdogs.

I don't know much about Ukraine in this regard, thanks for the info.

The greatest trick the EU ever pulled was convincing people - some of it enemies as well as the slavish admirers who think it's the friend of labour for reasons that elude me - that is an idealistic peqce n love human rights enterprise dedicated to 'progressive' thinking and not basically a conniving way of creating an empire that serves the largest corporate interests on the planet and enriches the few at the expense of the many. It's becoming clearer at least to some people as they pull stuff like the EU-Mercosaur free trade deal to drop tariffs and flood EU countries etc with cheap meat and undercut their native farming sectors. to the point of destruction. Like the French, the Irish farmers are up in arms as Irish beef is a huge export market for them and they will likely be wiped out by Mercosaur.

It's fucking hilarious watching people think this is in any way about protecting the interests of the average working Brit, or Frenchman, or Pole. The uninformed who really think a flood of cheap labour (the prized FOM that too many idiots think is designed to benefit workers) is in the interests of anyone but those right at the top who profit from the natural driving down of wages through an excess of labour from poorer countries to richer ones and an intinerant, sorry 'flexible' workforce- a basic economic principle that you can get them to agree to in principle but seem to defend in practice - is the tip of the iceberg.

 

[ditto]

For me, in my personal headcanon of reality, Germany is still run by real WW2 Nazis in secret.

The German sees himself as the innocent victim of world envy and hatred, conspired against, set upon by inferior peoples, inferior nations. He cannot admit to error, much less to wrongdoing, not the German. Men of truth everywhere have come to know for whom the bell tolled, but not the German. No! He still follows his warrior gods marching to Wagnerian strains, his eyes still fixed upon the fiery sword of Siegfried, and he knows subterranean meeting places that you don't believe in. The German's dream world comes alive when he takes his place in shining armor beneath the banners of the Teutonic knights. Mankind is waiting for the Messiah, but for the German, the Messiah is not the Prince of Peace. No, he's... another Barbarossa... another Hitler.

 

[Ahriman]

What I don't understand about countries in the EU is why they even bother to remain unified anymore. What different would it make, practically, if Germany as a whole were divided into 6 parts along the lines of how it was divided after the war? It just doesn't seem like any German wants to stay German so why not just allow it to be a bunch of smaller countries.

Technically speaking, Germans don't even understand each other. Get a load of this:

 

[Jewish Porn Hoe]

The greatest trick the EU ever pulled was convincing people - some of it enemies as well as the slavish admirers who think it's the friend of labour for reasons that elude me [...]

Just reading a few of the TFEU articles (like 69, 101 or 109 for example) is enough to squash that notion.
But then again many people (esp. EU fanboys) have absolutely no clue how this Byzantine moloch functions.

 

[Stoneheart]

(Bosnia, Finland, Switzerland and loads of other countries have bits that want their own control.)

the swiss mostly want to go back to a more federal state, they dont realy wanna leave.

Technically speaking, Germans don't even understand each other. Get a load of this:

Cari or what ever the "female" is called looks like she has some mental issues and cant speak like a normal person.
the Berliner uses a whole different level of formality in his lines and he doesnt sound like he is braindead.
the example is also pretty weak since everybody can understand people from berlin, it just gets ugly in the south and south east.
they speak way to much and cant speak normal german.
the biggest difference is the amount of words used. a normal northern german can have an half hour of small talk in 10 words, the average south german uses 10 words just to say hello.

 

[Unog]

migrant

migrant

migrants

migrants

migrants

The correct word is "immigrant". "Migrant" implies they're only staying temporarily. They've no intention of leaving.

 

[No. 7 cat]

Migrant is the favoured al-Beeba term, so should be spat out, but they do move a bit for gibs or to evade legal problems. Invader (Turkish nomads settled within the de populated borders of Byzantium and then later strangled Rome as they called it) or colonist might be more apt.