EU Germany: A "Latent Sense Of Insecurity"

Germany: A "Latent Sense Of Insecurity"

Fifty-seven percent of Germans say that "increasingly being told what to say and how to behave" is getting on their nerves...

www.zerohedge.com

https://archive.is/xuX7W

A recent annual poll, conducted in September, confirms Malchow's estimate: Every year since 1992, R+V, Germany's largest insurance firm, has been asking Germans what they fear most. "This year, for the first time," according to a report in Deutsche Welle, "a majority said they were most afraid that the country would be unable to deal with the aftermath of the migrant influx of 2015". Fifty-six percent of those polled said they were scared that the country would not be able to deal with the number of migrants. This September marked exactly four years since Chancellor Angela Merkel opened Germany's borders and allowed in almost a million migrants. However, Ulrich Wagner, professor of social psychology at the University of Marburg told Deutsche Welle:

"It's really got more to do with the fact that politicians and media discuss this issue a great deal — which triggers fear... For example, in the latest study, fear of terrorism has clearly gone down. We simply don't discuss this issue as much as we used to, and that means that people feel safer."

What the professor appears to imply is that you can solve a crucial societal issue, not by debating its ramifications and publicly seeking to find solutions to it, but by not talking about it, thereby lulling the public into a false sense of security by pretending that the problem does not exist.

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What I don't understand about countries in the EU is why they even bother to remain unified anymore. What different would it make, practically, if Germany as a whole were divided into 6 parts along the lines of how it was divided after the war? It just doesn't seem like any German wants to stay German so why not just allow it to be a bunch of smaller countries.

 

[SilkGnut]

I don't know about being a master race, but German people seem to be racially predisposed to unquestionably follow exceptional decisions made by their leaders until it's too late.

When you fuck a population as badly as Germany has been people get desperate.

WW2 does not happen if WW1 did not end the way it did, and the only lesson taken from those results was that Germany needed to be fucked harder.

 

[byuu]

the example is also pretty weak since everybody can understand people from berlin, it just gets ugly in the south and south east.
they speak way to much and cant speak normal german.

Fuck your "normal" German. The rich native South German culture must be preserved:

 

[4STA]

And yet the Left near-Universally in the West wont stop chipping at the foundations.

Yeah well, I could've (and did) told you this would happen in 2015. It also isn't going to get any better any time soon.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

When you fuck a population as badly as Germany has been people get desperate.

WW2 does not happen if WW1 did not end the way it did, and the only lesson taken from those results was that Germany needed to be fucked harder.

Yeah, no. I can get electing Hitler, the guy was charismatic and gave appealing arguments.
But the German people going along with him waging multiple wars rather than consolidating their gains was bound to end badly.
Getting fucked over does not grant you the excuse to fuck others (and there was no method to fuck Germany harder that wouldn't have just continued the war).

 

[soy_king]

Yeah, no. I can get electing Hitler, the guy was charismatic and gave appealing arguments.
But the German people going along with him waging multiple wars rather than consolidating their gains was bound to end badly.
Getting fucked over does not grant you the excuse to fuck others (and there was no method to fuck Germany harder that wouldn't have just continued the war).

Eh, it's like what happened with Napoleon; to get peace you need to either get the other party to agree to peace or annihilate them. I'm more surprised that the German High Command put up with Hitler dictating military strategy when his only military experience was serving as a foot soldier on the Western Front.

 

[Stoneheart]

Fuck your "normal" German. The rich native South German culture must be preserved:

We all know the rich Southern culture, people like Drachenlord are prime examples for that culture.

 

[SilkGnut]

Yeah, no. I can get electing Hitler, the guy was charismatic and gave appealing arguments.
But the German people going along with him waging multiple wars rather than consolidating their gains was bound to end badly.
Getting fucked over does not grant you the excuse to fuck others (and there was no method to fuck Germany harder that wouldn't have just continued the war).

I am not justifying it. I am explaining why it happened.

If you ever want to learn anything about history stop conflating the two.

 

[JohnDoe]

The correct word is "immigrant". "Migrant" implies they're only staying temporarily. They've no intention of leaving.

The correct word is 'parasite' or 'invader' actually. The looting is more long term and pernicious, but destructive all the same.

 

[Ira the Weatherman]

When you fuck a population as badly as Germany has been people get desperate.

WW2 does not happen if WW1 did not end the way it did, and the only lesson taken from those results was that Germany needed to be fucked harder.

The problem with the Versailles Treaty was that it was a treaty. It was still based on old Westphalia notions that victors could levy a peace treaty on a losing nation for land and that would be the end of it. There were some half-baked plans to try the Kaiser for war crimes, but that would've been utterly symbolic.

That's not to say that the rise of Hitler was an inevitability of the Versailles Treaty, but it definitely didn't help. Like some many aspects of WWI, it was badly outdated to the situation of the time. Imposing hefty penalties on a country used to democractic processes, after a grueling total war, amidst a wave of general political dissatisfaction and factionalism, and thinking it would sort itself out wasn't going to end well.

That's the reason why the Allies in WWII focused on unconditional surrender, why the Nuremberg Trials were such a new and controversial thing, and why Denazification was pursued quite vigorously. They were determined not to let this happen again.

I'm more surprised that the German High Command put up with Hitler dictating military strategy when his only military experience was serving as a foot soldier on the Western Front.

Well, firstly they were loyal soldiers and trained to obey the country, even if they didn't agree with its politics. And quite a few did agree, if not with all the ideals, they did respect what Hitler and the party could do for Germany. And there were also quite a few who didn't, but still performed due to a sense of duty. And it shouldn't be forgotten that Hitler appointed loyalists like Keitel to the highest positions of High Command before the war had even started, meaning that any emnity would be likely more directed towards them, rather than the head of state. A lot of commanders who went against Hitlers meddling, like Von Kleist, were simply promptly dismissed anyway. Similarly, commanders who had shown less than exemplary loyalty to the party also seem to have been a lot more likely to get dismissed or punished for military or other failures (Von Fritsch, Brauchitsch) than rightthinkers or sycophants were.

That having been said, the traditional military aristocracy was probably one of the most dismissive elements of German society when it came to Nazism. Which explains why the Nazis fantasized about ultimately supplanting the Wehtmacht with the more politically correct (lol) SS. Plans which understandably went into overdrive after the failed Valkyrie assassination attempt of the big man himself.

tl;dr there was a LOT of tension and politicking going on between the career soldiers and party men in the armed forces, with the former naturally getting the short end of the stick when Hitler and Co intervened in military affairs. You either gently hugged Dolf's nuts or were forced to resign, and you had to be a particular useful commander to avoid having to do either.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

Eh, it's like what happened with Napoleon; to get peace you need to either get the other party to agree to peace or annihilate them. I'm more surprised that the German High Command put up with Hitler dictating military strategy when his only military experience was serving as a foot soldier on the Western Front.

Agreeing for peace is useless. You cannot maintain peace via a document. Annihilating the opponent is also infeasible in the modern era.

The only way to guarantee peace is when both sides, in any conceivable fashion (not just economic), will lose more than win from starting a war.

 

[Zbk3VmLfujjzjxBd43tL]

Fuck your "normal" German. The rich native South German culture must be preserved:

Agree. Altschauerberg in Bavaria is a European cultural center on the level of Paris and Rome.

Agreeing for peace is useless. You cannot maintain peace via a document. Annihilating the opponent is also infeasible in the modern era.

Annihilating the opponent has been an option since 1945. Keep the bombs falling and the fallout blowing and make sure all their infrastructure moving food around is unusable. Hit their crops with bioweapons too just to make sure.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

Annihilating the opponent has been an option since 1945. Keep the bombs falling and the fallout blowing and make sure all their infrastructure moving food around is unusable. Hit their crops with bioweapons too just to make sure.

Not really because you will drive every country (including your own people) against you.

 

[Zbk3VmLfujjzjxBd43tL]

Not really because you will drive every country (including your own people) against you.

That was literally the US plan (minus the nukes, they couldn't produce them fast enough for total nuclear annihilation) for invading Japan should Japan not surrender (either before the invasion or during it). And the US public was eager as all hell, something like 20% believed the Japanese race should be wiped off the face of the planet according to one poll during WWII.