🐱 Germany passes law to fine social media sites over hate speech

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https://www.theverge.com/2017/6/30/15898386/germany-facebook-hate-speech-law-passed



German lawmakers have passed a controversial law under which Facebook, Twitter, and other social media companies could face fines of up to €50 million ($57 million) for failing to remove hate speech. The Network Enforcement Act, commonly referred to as the “Facebook law,” was passed by the Bundestag, Germany’s parliamentary body, on Friday. It will go into effect in October.

Under the law, social media companies would face steep fines for failing to remove “obviously illegal” content — including hate speech, defamation, and incitements to violence — within 24 hours. They would face an initial fine of €5 million, which could rise to €50 million. Web companies would have up to one week to decide on cases that are less clear cut.

Justice Minister Heiko Maas and other supporters of the bill have argued that it is necessary to curb the spread of hate speech, which is strictly regulated under German law. But digital rights activists have broadly criticized the law, saying it would infringe on free speech, and that it gives tech companies disproportionate responsibility in determining the legality of online content.

“Experience has shown that, without political pressure, the large platform operators will not fulfill their obligations, and this law is therefore imperative,” Maas said in an address Friday, adding that “freedom of expression ends where criminal law begins.”

“We believe the best solutions will be found when government, civil society and industry work together and that this law as it stands now will not improve efforts to tackle this important societal problem,” a Facebook spokesperson said in an email statement. “We feel that the lack of scrutiny and consultation do not do justice to the importance of the subject. We will continue to do everything we can to ensure safety for the people on our platform.”

A Twitter spokesperson declined to comment on the passage of the law.

Germany has in recent years intensified efforts to crack down on hate speech, amid a rise in anti-migrant sentiment that has been fueled in part by the ongoing refugee crisis. Facebook, Twitter, and Google agreed to remove such content from their platforms within 24 hours, under a 2015 deal with the German government, but a 2017 report commissioned by the Justice Ministry found that the companies were still failing to meet their commitments. Earlier this month, German police raided 36 homes over social media posts that allegedly contained hateful content, following a similar operation that targeted 60 people last year.

Social media companies are facing pressure to remove hate speech, fake news, and terrorist propaganda from European Union leaders, as well. Last month, the European Council approved a set of proposals that would require web companies to block any videos that contain hate speech or incitements to terrorism. Maas has also called for Europe-wide regulations on hate speech and fake news.

Facebook and Google have launched campaigns to combat fake news and hate speech in recent months, with Facebook recently announcing that it would hire an additional 3,000 people over the next year to moderate flagged content. The social network explained the complexity in moderating hate speech in a recent blog post, as part of its “hard questions” series, but it faced renewed criticism this week after a ProPublica investigationdetailed Facebook’s confusing internal systems that underpin its hate speech policy.

EDRi, a Brussels-based digital rights group, criticized the bill’s passage in a blog postpublished ahead of Friday’s vote. “[Social media] companies are, quite rationally, driven by the motivation to avoid liability, using the cheapest options available, and to exploit the political legitimization of their restrictive measures for profit,” writes Maryant Fernández Pérez, senior policy adviser at EDRi. “This can only lead to privatized, unpredictable online censorship.”
 
I was gonna ask why Europe has such a hateboner for the basic human right to free expression but then I realized that's the case for basically all governments. The US government would be doing the same thing if that DANG DIRTY CONSTITUTION wasn't there.
A constitution does jack shit when enough politicians decide to ignore it.
Case in point.
 
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Utterly untrue. There's several TV stations that broadcast at least one documentary about WW2 per day. It is impossible to avoid Nazi-related stuff in Media... or in school.
Mind you, I was lectured about concentration camps during math class when I was in 5th grade - it came totally out of the blue and had no connection to anything we were talking about before.
That is how deeply set this topic is into the average day.

On a sidenote - Your statement seems to be based on a little misunderstanding:
Depicting Swastikas is illegal unless it is for educational or artistic reasons. So it's not okay to smear it on walls, but it's okay to show them in images, documentaries or movies.
Vidya is not considered art, therefore we regularly get issues with Games like Wolfenstein, where they have to replace the swastikas with something else.
It's okay to depict in comics and manga though.
It's okay in comics and manga? That's interesting. Does this not extend to animation? I know a few anime that had to get Manji censored out.
 
It's okay in comics and manga? That's interesting. Does this not extend to animation? I know a few anime that had to get Manji censored out.
Anime would fall under the same category as movies. Though it's still a bit vague. Blade of the Immortal had the Swastika on Manji's back censored (despite being the wrong way - it was changed to a mere X btw.) in earlier iterations of the comic, but it seems they at some point stopped doing that and just left it in unchanged.
 
A constitution does jack shit when enough politicians decide to ignore it.
Case in point.

What's even more guaranteed to halt a Constitution is when the people demand the government violate it for their own good. The Patriot Act and the entire state of California are proof of that.
 
Exactly, this is just a really stupid and unrealistic attempt to solve a problem by treating the symptoms. At best. Since I have little faith in politicians, I assume this is more about exerting control over what kind of information is available on social media.
I agree, It seems that to be the endgame for most politicians so they can solidify their power and would go to great morally questionable lengths and methods to achieve it. They don't care who gets screwed over as long as they benefit.
What's even more guaranteed to halt a Constitution is when the people demand the government violate it for their own good. The Patriot Act and the entire state of California are proof of that.
There is a quote that comes to mind in regards your statement:
Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.

-Benjamin Franklin

And that "Power Corrupts" quote by John Dalberg Acton also speaks volumes here.

So what are the chance that Facebook and Twitter tell them to piss off and start broad-blocking German IPs?

Because I don't see them rolling over and accepting Germany's extortion scheme here...
I was having a conversation with my father about this and he expressed the same sentiments. I can see Twitter kowtowing to this considering where Jack Dorsey's allegiances lie. This is like 1984 starting to become more real in the worst way.
 
So what are the chance that Facebook and Twitter tell them to piss off and start broad-blocking German IPs?

Because I don't see them rolling over and accepting Germany's extortion scheme here...

It will come down to a pure monetary decision. Does it cost more to blow this off and pay the fines, try to comply with it and get fined anyway by the thieving German government, or just pull out entirely?
 
But then the question is, how they are going to reinforce it? Are they going to make people sit and scour social media for days if not weeks on end trying to find things that can be regarded as hate speech (and thus be something they can sue Facebook or Twitter over)?

Honestly, I doubt this law had much to do with protecting the innocents against the terrors of hate speech so much as protecting the feelings of politicians - they're not going to try and reinforce it if Steve McStevenson decides to rant about how much he hates Islam on his twitter with maybe 10 followers, but they are going to act if someone does it where they can see it, like in a politician's retweets
 
Mind you, I was lectured about concentration camps during math class when I was in 5th grade - it came totally out of the blue and had no connection to anything we were talking about before.
That is how deeply set this topic is into the average day.

That's called propaganda, all young German children must undergo their Holocaust propaganda as well as the state-funded education about how depicting 6 lines drawn in a specific pattern is illegal hate speech, unless it's in a text book.

How else do you think we have so many Germans crying in the streets for more refugees while people are still bleeding out from the last attack? Normal people don't think like that without propaganda being fed to them from a very young age.

And remember when the media was calling Assad literally Hitler for gassing "his citizens?" You know, the gas attack after Assad voluntarily gave up all his chemical weapons? These refugees are just escaping Literally Hitler (Literally Arab Hitler, they're not fleeing Trump)
 
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Honestly, I doubt this law had much to do with protecting the innocents against the terrors of hate speech so much as protecting the feelings of politicians - they're not going to try and reinforce it if Steve McStevenson decides to rant about how much he hates Islam on his twitter with maybe 10 followers, but they are going to act if someone does it where they can see it, like in a politician's retweets
And even if they aggressively enforce it, They'd be facing one hell of a political shitstorm in the form of a Snap Election(or impeachment, whichever is more probable to work) and an angry citizenry. I honestly wonder what happened to the notion that for the politicians, we are their boss, not the other way around and that they serve and represent us(Of the people, By the people, For the people).

I have german blood in me from my maternal grandfather and I want to visit Berlin to see the remains of the Berlin Wall and the Bendlerblock, where Stauffenberg got executed. As the current political climate stands in germany, I'm not sure about that anymore.
 
Fun fact: Contrary to the US constitution, German constitution places human dignity over freedom of speech. Besides of granting you some basic human rights, human dignity also gives you a "right to personal honor" which is how you end up with insults being an actual criminal offence. That's right krautboy, you can get fined just for telling someone how much of a faggot he is.

Keeping in mind the legal history and culture of Germany it isn't that surprising to see freedom of speech in such a vulnerable position. And the more depressing it is to see various American college kids and Tumblr trannies not appreciating the fact that they have free speech laws worthy of a civilized nation because they'd rather impotently tard rage over Trump's Twitter feed.
 
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