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Times change. People change. HE DID.

This is some soap opera shit, man. It's kind of tragic. I guess it's not surprising that someone who isn't good with people would run a lolcow forum and have trouble dealing with conflict, but it's kind of poignant when the admin of said lolcow forum exposes his sensitive spot. That's the very thing that fascinates us and pulls us together as a community of spergs watching spergs. I honestly wish Bloodletting 2015 hadn't happened. It exposed people who didn't need to be exposed, and it's cemented the existence of a more erratic, attention-hungry, very human side of Null. I'm sorry Glaive is ban.
 
I just want to point out, if people forgot, that the whole cause of Glaive's butt hurt was due to Null releasing his dirty laundry of being cucked by SnakesvsPlanes that he wanted to keep private for the forum to see in a thread about completely unreleated drama involving KingofManga and the actor who played Tyce. If I were him, I'd be justifiably pissed off at Null as well.

Null even confirms this by saying he was a model staff member until the whole SvP drama happened.
I blame this all on DN asshattery.
 
I just want to point out, if people forgot, that the whole cause of Glaive's butt hurt was due to Null releasing his dirty laundry of being cucked by SnakesvsPlanes that he wanted to keep private for the forum to see in a thread about completely unreleated drama involving KingofManga and the actor who played Tyce. If I were him, I'd be justifiably pissed off at Null as well.

Null even confirms this by saying he was a model staff member until the whole SvP drama happened.

The way glaive chose to handle his (justified) grievance wasn't great and 'cucking' isn't exactly accurate, but yes, this is absolutely correct.

When the whole bloodletting thing happened I made it clear that I understood Null's aims ; he wanted to publicly and decisively cut out the genesis of a potential interpersonal drama before it could grow. But what I also thought then and what is obvious to everybody now is that he cut into healthy tissue and started a slow-burning infection himself.

There's not much else to say. The bloodletting was an ill-advised clusterfuck, but I still believe it was borne out of incompetence, not malice. I don't blame Null for what's happened. I don't blame anyone. I just wish things could have gone a different way. I wish Dean Ween and KoM got over their pronking spat being made public and were still here. I wish snakes' reputation wasn't maligned by association with shit she had practically nothing to do with. I wish a wedge wasn't driven so hard between Null and Glaive that not only did it break up a decent administration team, it also broke up their friendship. And I wish people with an axe to grind weren't calling Null evil and malicious over his mismanagement of the whole stupid affair.

The fallout from the bloodletting still isn't over. It will most likely never truly be over. There will be more petty feuds and malicious gossip and backhanded insults and probably a few more departures from the farms, whether self-imposed or enforced.

I just wish we could all get along better.
 
Just...Goddammit all, I always liked Glaive. This sort of drama bullshit is exactly why I almost never venture into chat or associate with the other Kiwis (even those I'm quite fond of) outside of the lolcow threads. I never got much interaction with him, but from my perspective he always seemed to have a rather good rapport with the general userbase and made a good bridge between upper management and the rest of us. Love him or hate him, he's left some shoes to fill. Damn shame, but as always, Null has to do what he feels needs to be done. Regardless of how the situation is handled, we can't have the admins at each others throats.
 
The way glaive chose to handle his (justified) grievance wasn't great and 'cucking' isn't exactly accurate, but yes, this is absolutely correct.

When the whole bloodletting thing happened I made it clear that I understood Null's aims ; he wanted to publicly and decisively cut out the genesis of a potential interpersonal drama before it could grow. But what I also thought then and what is obvious to everybody now is that he cut into healthy tissue and started a slow-burning infection himself.

There's not much else to say. The bloodletting was an ill-advised clusterfuck, but I still believe it was borne out of incompetence, not malice. I don't blame Null for what's happened. I don't blame anyone. I just wish things could have gone a different way. I wish Dean Ween and KoM got over their pronking spat being made public and were still here. I wish snakes' reputation wasn't maligned by association with shit she had practically nothing to do with. I wish a wedge wasn't driven so hard between Null and Glaive that not only did it break up a decent administration team, it also broke up their friendship. And I wish people with an axe to grind weren't calling Null evil and malicious over his mismanagement of the whole stupid affair.

The fallout from the bloodletting still isn't over. It will most likely never truly be over. There will be more petty feuds and malicious gossip and backhanded insults and probably a few more departures from the farms, whether self-imposed or enforced.

I just wish we could all get along better.
Shit like this is why PM's and Skype are a thing. If you got shit you wanna deal with, bring it off-site or at least to a private venue.

We have an amazingly diverse, friendly, and welcoming community, so seeing bloodletting like this happen is just tragic. If people have to be banned, I want them banned for being spastics like Kirby. Letting a disagreement spiral out like this makes everyone involved look fucking autistic.
 
So the retarded bloodletting that didn't provide any lols has instead made one of the chillest admins develop a grudge against @Null and get ousted from the site. And now I can't tell if the featured thread is a ruse cruise or not because a shitposter who is never kept in check who continually breaks the rules posted it. I sincerely hope that you learn from this experience @Null, and become a better admin from it, because I think that you are a good admin and that this is a good community, but Jesus this was a disaster.

Edit: Just for reference, Dynastia's thread on Barb's death was the featured thread when I typed this.
 
So the retarded bloodletting that didn't provide any lols has instead made one of the chillest admins develop a grudge against @Null and get ousted from the site. And now I can't tell if the featured thread is a ruse cruise or not because a shitposter who is never kept in check who continually breaks the rules posted it. I sincerely hope that you learn from this experience @Null, and become a better admin from it, because I think that you are a good admin and that this is a good community, but Jesus this was a disaster.
It solved the problems I wanted to solve. I thought Glaive would be able to cope with a small embarrassment and move on but he couldn't. As far as I'm concerned. this was his true colors. I'm not going to apologize.
 
It solved the problems I wanted to solve. I thought Glaive would be able to cope with a small embarrassment and move on but he couldn't. As far as I'm concerned. this was his true colors. I'm not going to apologize.

That's fair enough. I'm not expecting anyone to apologize to each other, and if this is what you think is best, so be it. I've never been in charge of any sort of community in my life, so perhaps I'm too optimistic about people and this truly was the only way to settle this matter. My initial reaction has settled down a bit, and now I'm thinking that it would be impossible for an admin and a mod who are at odds, for any reason, to truly run a site effectively, so I suppose this is for the best.
 
The ones bothering me.

Okay. I'm going to say a thing. This this isn't really for you. If you get anything out of it then great. I doubt you will, though, and that's fine. This is also for Glaive, and snakes, and applecat, and everybody reading whose made judgements on them based off things you've said.

Null, you are an incredibly bad judge of character. You cannot judge other people's character accurately primarily because you cannot judge your own. You have feelings and emotions, like any other person, which you consider weakness. You are ashamed of them. You are afraid of them. You try to hide them under a 'lel ebin sociopath' facade because this feels safer than admitting to them. Easier, even. It's obvious that you do this. I can see it plain as day.

This is why, when people seriously and deliberately go out of their way to destroy you, you don't give a fuck. You're annoyed, naturally, but you're relaxed about that annoyance. Obamatron never got to you. A-stump never got to you. The only thing that really gets to you is when people give you feelings. Feelings you're not supposed to have. Feelings you don't want to admit to. The only alternative to accepting that a person hurt your feelings is to see that person as some kind of evil, horrendous, vicious monster. Somebody that should logically and rightfully be hated with the intensity of feeling you hold for them ; not just some guy who happened to hurt you in your feels on a very personal level.

This is why you've overeacted so spectacularly to slights or percieved slights from the likes of luna, applecat, snakesvsplanes and Glaive. All of them were your friends at some point. All of them, through their fault or your fault or nobody's fault ; all of them hurt your feelings. That's okay. Everyone gets their feelings hurt sometimes. It doesn't make you less of a man. But you simply cannot admit it. So you demonise them, turn them into a monster in your own retelling of it, so that any normal objective person could look at them and say 'yes, speaking with complete impartiality that person is a manipulative harpy who deserves to be hated'. They're not monsters, Null. They're not even bad people. They were your friends. They touched you on a personal level and then they hurt your feelings, and you could not deal with that in an adult fashion.

When you push the idea that they're monsters, other people pick it up and believe it because you speak from a place of authority. This makes your ire dangerous. It puts weight behind your words, even if that weight is good for nothing but internet dramas. People are going to repeat that Luna is a backstabbing three-faced betrayer because she hurt your feelings. People are going to repeat that snakes is an emotionally manipulative whore because she hurt your feelings. People are going to repeat that Glaive is an easily-manipulated cuckhold who is being used as a pawn by some woman you've never even heard of because he hurt your feelings. Then people are going to repeat it because they heard other people repeat it. Eventually it will become a truth of its own, divorced completely from reality and its own genesis. This is a power you have, Null, and you wield it with all the responsibility and care of a temperamental child. This makes you kind of a dick, which is fine. I'm sure you're happy with that. But it doesn't make you a dick in the way you think. It doesn't make you a dick like a brusque, straight-shooting, no-drama asshole sociopath. It makes you a dick like a vindictive drama-mongering teenage girl, because you are using the weight of your words to start witchhunts and rumours about people who've done nothing wrong besides hurt your feelings on a completely personal level.

Again, I'm not saying this just for your benefit. You'll probably tl;dr me. I'm saying it for anyone else who'll read it and think "Yes, this seems right, maybe these people null talks up as the devil aren't really monsters". I'm saying it because I can say it, you don't give a shit about me on a personal level and I'm incapable of hurting your feelings, so I'm safe from you doing the same to me. I'm saying it because every time I see some random kiwi accept rumours and exaggerations about somebody else as fact, I feel like somebody should stand up and say 'No, this isn't true.'

You might not believe me when I say I genuinely like you, Null. You might think I'm sucking up to you to piss of /cowboys/ who hate you, or confuse other kiwis, or just for my own perverse amusement. I deserve that. Nobody should take anything I say at face value. But it's true. I genuinely like you as a person. But I'm not blind to your flaws. I'm not blind to the flaws of anyone I grow to like here. I can see as plainly as day your shameful flaws, your weaknesses in character, your secret fears and your human frailties, and I assure you Null that despite what you want us to believe they are so very mundane, and human, and forgivable. I can see them, and I can accept them. I hope someday you'll learn to do the same.

I've said my peace.
 
It solved the problems I wanted to solve. I thought Glaive would be able to cope with a small embarrassment and move on but he couldn't. As far as I'm concerned. this was his true colors. I'm not going to apologize.

If you actually demoted Glaive for lying about being a Wizard I can't blame him for being mad at you. Unless I missed something (I haven't been here for a while), Marvin and Alec haven't been punished for having decieved Chris for years. And they didn't just lie about being virgins, the entire personas through which they interacted with Chris were fake. If they get a pass why not Glaive?
 
If you actually demoted Glaive for lying about being a Wizard I can't blame him for being mad at you. Unless I missed something (I haven't been here for a while), Marvin and Alec haven't been punished for having decieved Chris for years. And they didn't just lie about being virgins, the entire personas through which they interacted with Chris were fake. If they get a pass why not Glaive?
Glaive was demodded because I can't trust him. Wizardchan is a good example of why I can't trust him.

Do you know why Glaive was modded to begin with? He came over to the forum to defend his community and talk to us about how Wizardchan was a fun place filled with friends that was distinct from lust. He pitched it as a sexless community for both men and women who are virgins and more concerned with hobbies, work, and money. The defining feature of Wizardchan, he said, wasn't that you had to be a male virgin who hated women, you just had to be a virgin who knew feels and liked work. When he came to the then-CWCki Forums to pitch this idea to take heat off his friends, it worked. He naturally gained off-topic access and became the first Wizard allowed into the club, and his sheepish and lurking presence crept into something louder and more friendly. It eventually ended up in him shocking people with his photos. Everyone expected him to be gross, but he was cute.

This made it all the more gutwrenching when Anachronos de-admined him in 2014 for being a part of his community. Glaive was distraught at being "exiled" by his former friends on Wizardchan just for coming over here and making the case that they weren't gross basement dwelling losers like we thought they were. To us, he had been suddenly and inexorably cast out of a warm circle of friends for little reason and so I made him mod to cheer him up. He had community experience, he was amazingly easy to love, and he was technically competent. He understood the concept of lolcows and was a long-time Chris fan so there was no reason not to.

And then I get shit like this.

I feel very fortunate to be so readily included in the inner-inner-skype circlejerk as well as the CWCki as a whole. And CWCki is all thanks to you. The circlejerk and the amount of preference that staff and the favorites get is rather slanted, and really the only reason me as a new user got into said circlejerk was because you were so were welcoming and in part because you made me staff so quickly. Because otherwise new users (especially males) get ignored or even shamed here. Sometimes I think it's only because I'm staff, but at the end of the day I still get along with you and the rest of the crew and I feel thankful for that alone. Having that kind of a constant community to feel a part of is worth more to me than any GF or feels. So I've gotten quite a lot back after I decided to start posting here despite still being at WC back in December I think it was.

I DO think about tfwnogf, I would be lying if I said I didn't. And it does bug me. But we are all going to make it somehow, my time is just going to be a lot later than most. And I don't want any impulses getting in the way of the success I've been able to find in the other aspects of online and offline life. Sorry for splurging feels.

I don't like knowing people. Do you think I like knowing you fucking assholes? No, I don't. I do it because it's a necessity. I have servers I play with and line graphs to fill up with new members and the means and modes of this equation are fucking nothing to me. I told you in 2013 this is a game to me, I want to see how far I can push this shit over the line. Part of the operation in doing so is having staff that can make decisions without me being there, so fuck me when someone comes along that I actually like and fucks up this system. You know all these people with colored names aren't sycophants, they're people I:

1. Like as a person.
2. Trust to make good calls.
3. Mutually respect, and who respects the community.


That's the reason that since I took over there have been exactly two demotions and one retiree in three years, and of which only Glaive has followed up with a ban. Everybody I promote brings something new to the table that ends up furthering my beautiful line graphs a little more and filling up the servers that now pay for themselves so I have some cool shit to play with. When I get bored of a toy, I build a new toy, and soon all my toys will sync up together and everyone will think they're really fucking cool because I know they are because I built them and fuck you. This how I occupy my thankless fucking days in between birth and death and the only time I catch feelings is when you motherfuckers get in my way.


When Glaive tells me that he didn't care about Wizardchan and only did it to harass "lifeless losers", he's either telling me that he lied about the grief he felt when I initially modded him, or he's lying to me then to seem cooler. Either way he is fucking with me and I don't trust him. Keep in mind he was an administrator, meaning he had access to everything this server contained. All your email addresses, your encrypted passwords, usernames, username history, private messages, all that shit was on the server and he had direct access to it. It would be incredibly naive of me to let someone bragging about deliberately manipulating an entire community for fun to have that kind of system control. All that trust and respect I had for him over two fucking years immediately evaporated because he went out of his way to be as much of a nuisance and threat to me as possible.

Now I know Dynastia supported my decision to de-admin him, which is fair, but you criticize me for banning him. Immediately after he wad de-admined he began bragging about a competitor site and was talking about what domain names to buy in chat to fuck over the forum, and (by extension) my beautiful line graphs. I told Glaive the week before that I felt he was about to break off and that it worried me, and that if he did so he would probably be the only person capable of operating a successful splinter site. If a significant portion of the community did leave to go with him, I probably wouldn't even bother to compete and would just shut it down and send all traffic his way to get rid of my responsibilities on an unsuccessful site. Glaive has the money and free time to do whatever he wants. His new job provides him with unlimited access to hardware and a lot of desk time with nothing to do. He could easily, easily take the community away and host it himself. I don't pretend to think I have more friends here than Glaive. I've been told for three years my presence is an unwelcomed burden, and that if you swapped me out with any other working part the community would be better off because of it. So if you were waiting for that, here comes Herr Glaive to sweep you off your feet.

That's why I banned him. I had to get rid of him because I know he'd sit in chat every day for his entire work week doing his best to piss me off as revenge for his drama thread, passively advertising his competitor site in private and over Skype. If I didn't get rid of him then, it would continue to blow up. This was his modus operandi, a slow death of atrophy. So before you fucking wag your finger at me and criticize it as a rash, emotional decision, know that we had fully discussed the ramifications of a Glaive de-admin situation together weeks before it happened.

Now you can backtrack and say, "but Null, if only you hadn't of bloodlet!" -- Yea no shit, and if only Glaive hadn't attacked other users at the request of Snakes. Dynastia criticizes me for spinning some web of lies about her, but the proof is in the original fucking thread. A 20 reply conversation chain with some innocent sweet as fuck girl who didn't do shit, all because this woman asked Glaive to. Glaive goes out of his way to document everything he does, but for some reason this particular encounter with the other girl went unmentioned. Not a fucking peep from either of them until months after the fact when I'm trying to unravel what happened to Deagle Nation. Then I find out, "oh by the way Snakes had this kid by the balls so tight he was fucking with other people by request". How do you think I feel knowing that one of the people I trust the most fucked with someone else I like like that? She was so fucking battered by this encounter she didn't even tell anyone else.

And then you can say, "de-admin him on the spot and work it out from there". I believed in Glaive. I had absolute fucking confidence in him being able to hurdle over the obstacle of a little embarrassment. Fucking hell, I do it on a routine basis. I thought for sure that Glaive would take his scolding like a man, recognize that he is not allowed to berate other users like that, and learn from it. I had been told by multiple people that "Glaive is mad at you", but I thought that was a misinterpretation. We still talked every month about shit going on on the forum and in our lives, he'd show me pictures of his trips and beer and all sorts of shit. I assumed he had done exactly that, let it fucking go. Exactly what I wanted. I thought I had gotten away with bloodletting and accomplished everything I set out to do while retaining the only person I cared to keep. Then this happens. The dude gets his dick wet with some dangerhair cunt and the very same week starts acting like king of the fucking world, insulting me every day after months of being chill as shit.


When I say I accomplished exactly what I set out to do with that thread, I mean it. This isn't my "cool sociopath facade", this is reality. I wanted to expose the drama and amputate it. The fact that Glaive is now a part of the culling is not unanticipated, rather disappointing. By this point I expected him to be over it or gone.

There's my horrible evil angry tween retelling of history, @Dynastia. Make of it what you will.
 
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A glib response to a reply that deserves far better, I know. But by my count there's no less than nine false assertions in that single sentence, and there aren't all that many assertions to begin with. This is the type of angry tween retelling I'm talking about ; where you demonise practically everyone and everything involved because your feelings are hurt. But you deserve more of a reply than just this.

I had to get rid of him because I know he'd sit in chat every day for his entire work week doing his best to piss me off as revenge for his drama thread, passively advertising his competitor site in private and over Skype. If I didn't get rid of him then, it would continue to blow up. This was his modus operandi, a slow death of atrophy. So before you fucking wag your finger at me and criticize it as a rash, emotional decision, know that we had fully discussed the ramifications of a Glaive de-admin situation together weeks before it happened.

This is a fair point. I'm actually embarrassed I didn't consider it. I could still find fault with you putting so much loud and public weight on other reasons for banning him, including the inexplicable amount of focus on his girlfriend, but this line of reasoning is absolutely 100% sound. As much as I like Glaive, I'm not blind to his flaws, and now that you've pointed it out I don't doubt for a second that this is exactly what would happen, and there's no doubt in my mind as to who I'd rather have at the helm. You've changed my mind, Null. I think you were right to ban him.

But I still think you're going too far in painting him in such a negative light, and I think it's because of your feelings for him. We've been down this road before, like I said, with Luna, applecat, snakes, who were all friends you once confided in.

Now you can backtrack and say, "but Null, if only you hadn't of bloodlet!" -- Yea no shit, and if only Glaive hadn't attacked other users at the request of Snakes. Dynastia criticizes me for spinning some web of lies about her, but the proof is in the original fucking thread. A 20 reply conversation chain with some innocent sweet as fuck girl who didn't do shit, all because this woman asked Glaive to. Glaive goes out of his way to document everything he does, but for some reason this particular encounter with the other girl went unmentioned. Not a fucking peep from either of them until months after the fact when I'm trying to unravel what happened to Deagle Nation. Then I find out, "oh by the way Snakes had this kid by the balls so tight he was fucking with other people by request". How do you think I feel knowing that one of the people I trust the most fucked with someone else I like like that? She was so fucking battered by this encounter she didn't even tell anyone else.

Firstly I want to make it clear that I'm not accusing you of spinning webs of lies. I'm accusing you of letting misdirected emotions colour your judgement of people, and then sharing loudly and publicly that judgement in an environment full of half-retarded gossip queens who will spread it and add to it. I honestly believe there is nothing malicious, dishonest or deliberate behind it. I think the only person you're truly dishonest with is yourself. Nobody would blame you for being angry and hurt over whatever happened with those people, but you rechannel that anger and hurt into viewing everything they do in the most negative light imaginable, and repeating this interpretation to us idiots as provable fact. And us, being idiots, don't question it.

Anyways, to take the snakes bully-case as an example ; to the best of my knowledge, the proof is not in the Bloodletting thread. The proof was never released. I've certainly never seen it. I have seen other members of the moderation staff, who were privy to the proof, outright and publicly state that you are the only person who took that particular interpretation of events. As far as I know, even the purported victim of that exchange disagrees with your assessment. And yet so many people are willing to repeat, verbatim, that snakes is an emotionally abusive cuckolding kickstarter-scammer who bullied some poor innocent girl into tears using Glaive as an attack dog. Why? Because you told them.

I'm not blind to snakes flaws. She is a flawed person. We are all flawed people. But the event that you are describing, to the best of my knowledge and absent of any public proof otherwise, is two girls having a very minor and inconsequential spat and you taking sides in it to a level utterly and ridiculously incommensurate with the initial, forgotten dispute. Now snakes is a running joke on this website. I see people realising she's not banned and saying "Quick, we need to ban that bitch before she does a thing again." "What kind of thing?", I ask, and they go silent. "The uh, the thing she did before?" They literally don't know why they're supposed to hate her. All they know is that they heard she's a manipulative monster that creates drama and cucks people, because that is what you have spent an inordinate amount of time convincing them, based off an interpretation of events that you seem to be a minority holder of.

Again, I haven't seen these logs. For all I know it's 100% true, snakes and glaive bullied a completely innocent kiwi, your staff somehow read the wrong logs and have since changed their minds, and the victim was lying about it out of fear of Glaive and snakes bullying her some more. If this is the case, show me. I'll happily eat my words. I'll change my user title to "Cucked by Snakes" and live out the rest of my days knowing that I was the guy that squalled loudly and dumbly at you over a thing I turned out to be completely wrong about.

But at this point the logs don't matter. What matters is that you can decide somebody is a monster based solely off the fact that they used to be your friend and then stopped, and a lot of people here will believe it, because we're fucking retarded. The people who disagree with you will keep quiet because, let's face it, the vast fucking majority of this site are spineless faggots who still don't believe you won't ban them just for disagreeing with you no matter how often you go out of your way to prove otherwise. The people who don't know any better will go with whatever story is the only story there, which is going to be the story you put out.

I honestly don't expect you to become more careful and conservative with this power to shape kiwi opinion. I don't expect you to re-evaluate your feelings towards these people and come to the conclusion that just maybe your assessment of their actions is uncharitable because it's coloured by emotions you don't want to articulate even to yourself.

I just want my interpretation of events out there too, for what little it might be worth against yours. I don't want 'Luna the Traitor', 'Glaive the Cuck' and 'Snakes the Succubus' to be the unchallenged history that everybody accepts without question. They all deserve better than that.
 
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