Glaive's gone.

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Wally Balljacker said:
Wait, I'm confused:
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It's complicated.

Glaive was both an admin and a person who had shell access. The XenForo panel doesn't give you access to private messages, but when you have access to the database you can write (very complicated) queries to pull out messages. This is how I yanked out Lindsay's PMs (in the only time I've done so) to see if she had coordinated anything about her mass shooting on the site. But, to do this, you need the password to the database. Our root password is a 64 character @lPH4n_um3r1C password that only I have access to.

However, Shell access opens up a lot of doors for downloading the database as file. When this happens, you are free to do whatever you want with it. In serious work environments there are proper permissions in the way to keep that from happening, but on my servers I'm very lax about intrauser protection and it's not impossible for me to imagine he could find a way to download it or do other very serious damage to the server as a whole, such as deleting everything. He could definitely delete stuff because his actual permissions all had to do with our webservices and not the database.

Also, he had a linode account. KatsuKitty and Glaive both hold accounts that give them limited permissions over my billing entities as well in the unfortunate event that I am gunned down by adult baby diaper loving furry bikers from the middle east. With this account Glaive could very easily reset the root shell password for any of my servers and then download the entire disc image. From there, accessing everything is trivial.

So in short, no. Glaive couldn't read PMs readily, and if he did, it would involve breaking the law and burning bridges here. Considering his job title is "Penetration Tester" and his new forum is about "hacking and pranks", I would consider that a valid concern from my pov.
 
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Jomadre said:
Yeah...

Question, is there just a lot of drama in this forum and I'm just oblivious, or is this sort of think normally kept secret and you have to dig to find it?
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Drama requires at least some degree of closeness. It feeds of things like betrayal and jealousy. So it grows here where long-term relationships develop - typically in chat, or over PM chains, or in Skype groups. If you just keep to posting in threads and rating other people's posts you can avoid almost all of it.
 
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Null said:
Oh oops. I never released this album to protect the parties involved and to help curb embarrassment with Glaive. No staff is unaware of this, so that's a fib, but this is the encounter attached. It's a series of PMs that I can only describe as cringeworthy. I've heard from Snakes on other accounts that she would tell people Glaive is her boyfriend an admin and thus they should do what she says.

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This is what sparked off the bloodletting??? This??? Obviously I'm missing context here but the screenshots look to me like a couple of girls having a spat over some kind of minor drama, and Glaive mediating. This is just.... this is nothing, Null. This is fucking nothing. Now I see why nobody else on your staff took the interpretation that 'this is glaive bullying pandas'. Now I see why pandas herself told me you were wrong. This is nothing and to the best of my knowledge you are the only person in the entire fucking world who thinks otherwise. I am honestly surprised. I expected that the evidence wouldn't show any bullying, but I am surprised at just how underwhelming this truly is.

And this is what you started the bloodletting over? Null, can you still not see why I might suggest you let your emotions influence your interpretation of facts? Either this conversation isn't a case of corruption and bullying and you were just interpreting it in the most negative possible light towards snakes because she hurt your feelings earlier, or literally everybody else in the fucking world is wrong and you're the only person who can see things clearly.
 
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Dynastia said:
This is what sparked off the bloodletting??? This??? Obviously I'm missing context here but the screenshots look to me like a couple of girls having a spat over some kind of minor drama, and Glaive mediating. This is just.... this is nothing, Null. This is fucking nothing. Now I see why nobody else on your staff took the interpretation that 'this is glaive bullying pandas'. Now I see why pandas herself told me you were wrong. This is nothing and to the best of my knowledge you are the only person in the entire fucking world who thinks otherwise. I am honestly surprised. I expected that the evidence wouldn't show any bullying, but I am surprised at just how underwhelming this truly is.

And this is what you started the bloodletting over? Null, can you still not see why I might suggest you let your emotions influence your interpretation of facts? Either this conversation isn't a case of corruption and bullying and you were just interpreting it in the most negative possible light towards snakes because she hurt your feelings earlier, or literally everybody else in the fucking world is wrong and you're the only person who can see things clearly.
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Really, to me it looks more like Snakes kinda ganging up on Panda, who is being civil, & Glaive who's just kind of there, at least near the end. It also seems like, for the most part, Glaive seems more concerned about Pandas supposedly talking shit about Snakes than Snakes herself.

The fact that she threw in "gaslighting" made me cringe, though.

EDIT: I guess what I'm trying to say that is really does look like Glaive, not bullying, per se, but trying to appease Snakes by bombarding a user she had issue with with PMs.
 
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Dynastia said:
This is what sparked off the bloodletting??? This??? Obviously I'm missing context here but the screenshots look to me like a couple of girls having a spat over some kind of minor drama, and Glaive mediating. This is just.... this is nothing, Null. This is fucking nothing. Now I see why nobody else on your staff took the interpretation that 'this is glaive bullying pandas'. Now I see why pandas herself told me you were wrong. This is nothing and to the best of my knowledge you are the only person in the entire fucking world who thinks otherwise. I am honestly surprised. I expected that the evidence wouldn't show any bullying, but I am surprised at just how underwhelming this truly is.

And this is what you started the bloodletting over? Null, can you still not see why I might suggest you let your emotions influence your interpretation of facts? Either this conversation isn't a case of corruption and bullying and you were just interpreting it in the most negative possible light towards snakes because she hurt your feelings earlier, or literally everybody else in the fucking world is wrong and you're the only person who can see things clearly.
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You're telling me that isolating a user in private message that your Internet girlfriend is angry at is okay, harassing her for 20 messages until your Internet girlfriend says that's enough is okay, and not telling other staff that you've done so is okay? None of that is okay. Being personally entrenched in an issue and not seeking any external help before deciding to scold them repeatedly is not fucking okay. If anyone else did this same shit I'd demod them on the spot. If anything, I gave Glaive extra rope than I'd of given anyone else. If fucking Dunsparce and Fia pulled this same shit with someone I'd of lynched them.

Nah man, fuck off. You're wrong. Stop apologizing for him.
 
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I guess the main question then is, why was Glaive in charge of this mediation process to begin with? I think he was being necessarily austere, neutral, and following protocol, but it's understandable why someone might be uncomfortable with the situation. Another admin or mod should have handled whatever problems Snakes and Pandas had.
 
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Golly said:
I think he was being necessarily austere, neutral, and following protocol, but it's understandable why someone might be uncomfortable with the situation.
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BOLDYSPICY! said:
Really, to me it looks more like Snakes kinda ganging up on Panda, who is being civil, & Glaive who's just kind of there, at least near the end. It also seems like, for the most part, Glaive seems more concerned about Pandas supposedly talking shit about Snakes than Snakes herself
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are you people for fucking real or do I wear crazy goggles when I read shit
 
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