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[Bob Barbas]

I might be completely wrong on this assumption but maybe you guys will see it the way I do too.
The show majorly changing direction suddenly would also explain why the humans are suddenly pushed to the wayside (And possibly even almost extinct now considering in EP 6 we were shown the solver has not only snacked on earth but several human colonies too.) early on it was pretty clear they were planning for humanity to be the bad guys or at least the JCJenson company. Then I guess the direction change took place and now they've basically been reduced to a red herring for the real villain, that being the discount Gravemind.
I would genuinely not be surprised if later down the line we get an ex employee who worked on the show telling us that was infact the original plan before some decision took place and the idea was dropped. It really did seem like they were setting up JCJenson to be the bad guys but now they're kind of just irrelevant.

EDIT: It just hit me today what is wrong with this series. Whoever is in charge of writing seems to have completely misunderstood the idea of "Show, don't tell." almost completely at that.

 

[Bob Barbas]

And fuck it while I'm ranting about the writing I might as well add on how disappointed I am with the fact that Cyn/The Solver's entire plan is literally just "I want to eat everything in existence because I can." I feel like it wouldn't annoy me so much if they didn't give me so much false hope for an interesting villain.

So, early on obviously before Episode 7 kind of cemented Cyn as just "Evil because lol." based on information provided previously I thought they were going to go the angle of the machines wanting revenge on their human creators for essentially manufacturing artificial slaves.
I don't think I need to explain why giving robots human feelings but still treating them as worthless pieces of plastic would be pretty fucked up. Now I'm just wondering like why they gave the robots personalities in the first place? Wouldn't it just get in the way of them doing their jobs? So I thought the entire angle was going to be something like that. Especially with the obvious themes of "Corporation bad!" but now it kind of just seems like they did it for no reason??? Maybe I'm just putting way too much thought into something the creators clearly put no thought into themselves.

Like one of the reasons Detroit Become Human didn't work was because it was established that they weren't intended to have human feelings in the first place and some mysterious error or virus or whatever was what was causing that to happen. But here it's pretty clear the robots were deliberately designed to have personalities, feel pain ect. I think I remember someone even posting a screenshot of a book in the background of a scene that was basically titled something akin to "How to torture your human like robot slave without feeling bad!" or something. So if nothing else it's heavily implied the worker drones were deliberately designed to have human personalities and be able to feel pain and such.

But I don't see like anyone else bringing this up when criticizing the series' writing. Like, does it not strike anyone else as sort've a contradiction? Like they're sending mixed signals here. Again I would absolutely not be surprised if it's revealed some big direction change is what caused this plotline to be dropped. I am CONVINCED the original idea was for the JCJenson corporation to be the big bad before something happened behind the scenes. There was just way too much signaling for it to be a red herring.

 

[PonderosaPete]

I just assume they'll just go for a Nier style twist. In Nier(not automata) humans were wiped out by a plague and to save themselves created new monstrous bodies that they could transfer their souls into till the plague fucked off. Later they create new humans to put their souls back into, but new humanity can't understand their language and they look like monsters so they rebel against their creators.

 

[Bob Barbas]

I just assume they'll just go for a Nier style twist. In Nier(not automata) humans were wiped out by a plague and to save themselves created new monstrous bodies that they could transfer their souls into till the plague fucked off. Later they create new humans to put their souls back into, but new humanity can't understand their language and they look like monsters so they rebel against their creators.

Maybe they're pulling a Scott Cawthon. Someone guessed what the plot was going to be early on and they went " Fuck! They found us out already! Quick! We must subvert expectations! "

 

[Beautiful Border]

Maybe they're pulling a Scott Cawthon. Someone guessed what the plot was going to be early on and they went " Fuck! They found us out already! Quick! We must subvert expectations! "

I haven't followed FNAF in years, but my memory of the plot was that it was abject nonsense that he was obviously making up as he was going along. When you're adding that many layers and twists and turns and retcons then you don't have a narrative, you have a wild goose chase.

There used to be a common April Fool's prank where I live. You would give someone a letter and tell them to deliver it to someone. That person would take the letter, read it, and then tell the person who delivered it to deliver it to someone else, who would then do the same thing. The letter itself would simply say "Send the fool farther". I feel like that's a pretty accurate parallel to Scott Cawthon's approach to storytelling.

 

[Bob Barbas]

I haven't followed FNAF in years, but my memory of the plot was that it was abject nonsense that he was obviously making up as he was going along. When you're adding that many layers and twists and turns and retcons then you don't have a narrative, you have a wild goose chase.

There used to be a common April Fool's prank where I live. You would give someone a letter and tell them to deliver it to someone. That person would take the letter, read it, and then tell the person who delivered it to deliver it to someone else, who would then do the same thing. The letter itself would simply say "Send the fool farther". I feel like that's a pretty accurate parallel to Scott Cawthon's approach to storytelling.

I'm pretty sure it was confirmed at some point he was deliberately altering the plot just to fuck with Matpat. Or something like that? Maybe it wasn't Matpat at all.
The Scott Cawthon thing was moreso me referring to Scott essentially going against anything Matpat theorized simply so he could say he was wrong. At least that's how it sounded from what I heard but again maybe I'm completely misremembering.

All I remember is someone correctly theorized that the bite event we see in FNAF 4 was likely meant to be the bite of 87 mentioned in FNAF 1 despite the wrong or retconned date. But then Scott went "Nuh uh! It's actually a second completely unrelated bite event that has never been hinted at or bought up until now. Dipshit." and that's kind of feeling like Murder Drones story telling so far.

Someone makes a fairly sound assumption about something. Then the very next episode is like "Lol, nice guess retard but completely wrong." even in cases where it just seems to convolute things further.
Honestly I'm starting to ponder if the comedy elements are also going to be used as a scapegoat for the poor writing like "Bro, it's the funny murder robot show, why do you care so much?" and maybe they're right to an extent. Doesn't make the writing any less shit though.
I think it's even more ironic when they make meta jokes in relation to writing like that one heroes' journey diagram in the first episode I think? I'm sorry, but making jokes about writing cliches doesn't cover up your own shit writing.

 

[Beautiful Border]

All I remember is someone correctly theorized that the bite event we see in FNAF 4 was likely meant to be the bite of 87 mentioned in FNAF 1 despite the wrong or retconned date. But then Scott wen't "Nuh uh! It's actually a second completely unrelated bite event that has never been hinted at or bought up until now. Dipshit." and that's kind of feeling like Murder Drones story telling so far.

I honestly don't understand why writers feel the need to do this. If people are able to piece together what the conclusion of your story is going to be based on the hints you've dropped, then surely that's a good thing all-around, right? It reflects well on you as a writer for not adding irrelevant fluff to your narrative and it reflects well on your audience as they have the wherewithal to figure it out.

So why do some feel the need to "wow" their audience with asspulls? Is it an ego thing, thinking that if your audience can put the pieces together themselves then that means they're as smart as you and maybe you aren't so special?

 

[Bob Barbas]

If people are able to piece together what the conclusion of your story is going to be based on the hints you've dropped, then surely that's a good thing all-around, right?

I genuinely do not remember the quote itself or who said it. I tried for several minutes to try and find it but I couldn't but I swear it was said by someone famous like Tolkien or something and the quote more or less reinforced this, saying something like "You can't just change things around because someone's already got you figured out. If people can figure out what's going to happen next from the clues you've already given then that's a good thing." but I guess to some people they feel the opposite.
Maybe it IS an ego thing. Maybe they want people to ask them what the real plot was so they can feel smart and explain it to them themselves. I don't know honestly. Best guess I have.

 

[Jormungand]

I genuinely do not remember the quote itself or who said it. I tried for several minutes to try and find it but I couldn't but I swear it was said by someone famous like Tolkien or something and the quote more or less reinforced this, saying something like "You can't just change things around because someone's already got you figured out. If people can figure out what's going to happen next from the clues you've already given then that's a good thing." but I guess to some people they feel the opposite.
Maybe it IS an ego thing. Maybe they want people to ask them what the real plot was so they can feel smart and explain it to them themselves. I don't know honestly. Best guess I have.

If anything, the problem writers have when people figure out the big twists and plot points in their stories is that they are deeply scared of being predictable.

It stems from their insecurity that they are nowhere as clever as they think they are, which is made even worse when they're so desperate to surprise the audience.

They're far too obsessed with surprising their audience when they really should focus on making the story coherent and ultimately meaningful to make the journey worth it.

 

[Bob Barbas]

If anything, the problem writers have when people figure out the big twists and plot points in their stories is that they are deeply scared of being predictable.

It stems from their insecurity that they are nowhere as clever as they think they are, which is made even worse when they're so desperate to surprise the audience.

They're far too obsessed with surprising their audience when they really should focus on making the story coherent and ultimately meaningful to make the journey worth it.

You'd figure at some point they'd realize the reason these so called cliches even exist in the first place is because these writing conventions work?

It's like replacing the circular wheels on your car with squares because everyone expects them to be circular thusly square is obviously better because it's unexpected and then wondering why the fuck the car isn't moving.

 

[Devil-Man]

Just under half a year old.
I wonder how high it will be by its first anniversary.

 

[Bob Barbas]

Also I see a lot of people praising the relationship between the cringey goth robot and the male murder robot.
Personally I don't get it. Much like the entire show itself it feels very rushed and not at all earned.
Fuck from our perspective I'd say it seems like she's only known this guy for maybe a few days at most.
But they started acting fairly close almost comically quickly.
I've even seen people saying V had amazing character development... I don't even.

Again, I really think what happened here was the writers are biting off more than they can chew. Instead of making the most of the 8 episode limit to try and fit the narrative as best as they can to that restriction they want to do this big thing with DEEP LORE and all of this """Intricate detail""" and shit so they try to cram all of this information into these measly 8 episodes and most of it is just resulting in a confusing mess. Again, I rewatched the previous episodes right before 7 came out to refresh myself on the series and I still do not understand the plot any better except on an extremely baseline level.
They also make way too frequent use of "Blink and you'll miss it." moments for things that seem to be fairly important. This is what I was talking about when I said someone on the team clearly misunderstood the entire idea of "Show, don't tell."

Tl;dr: They're shooting for the stars instead of trying to be reasonable and temper their plans to fit the limitations they've been given.


I do not know Liam Vicker's history or how long he's been doing this for but it really feels like he's going way too big for what I presume to be his first major project that got a lot of attention. Sometimes, simplicity is better. There is literally nothing wrong with a simple easy to understand storyline. I don't know why faggots these days are so obsessed with having all of this unnecessary bullshit that just clogs things up or makes things needlessly complex and hard to understand.

Hilariously enough I can apply a Terry Davis quote here.

"An idiot admires complexity, a genius admires simplicity." - Terry A. Davis

Any stupid nigger can make a nonsensical nigger plot with a shit ton of pointless nigger details that may or may not actually be necessary, but a genius writer can get the point across with as little detail as possible. I'm not saying it has to deliberately explain the plot to the viewer but I'm sure there are much more efficient ways of communicating the plot than anything the show has currently been doing. Though I am willing to accept that I might just be retarded. But it's not just me as many other people seem to have trouble figuring out what the fuck is going on too.

But to break up all the spergy criticism I will say everything else about the show is alright the animation is fine, the art style isn't offensive to my eyes, the soundtrack is alright even the voice acting despite some of the cringier lines they at least seem like they're trying. It seems like at most the writing is the worst part to me.

Can't lie while it doesn't seem like my thing I might still try to watch The Amazing Digital Circus out of curiosity. As much as I hate to put faith in the tranny janny I do so hope the writing in TADC is better. Though it does make me a bit apprehensive that despite all of the merch shilling we still have no idea when the 2nd episode is supposed to drop.
At least for Murder Drones we know Episode 8 is supposed to come sometime this year. (Presumably in the summer or something.) but we still don't know jack shit about TADC.

Like pretty much the only thing that initially drew me to watch Murder Drones was that I like robots. That's literally it and you don't often get media focusing on them so that's what interested me. So it's extra disappointing that it's like this. Now the reason I'm even interested in TADC is purely to see if they're going to fuck it up too or if they actually learn and have a plot that doesn't require you to watch a Game Theory video just to have an idea of what is going on.

EDIT: I'll go ahead and shut the fuck up also since I realize I am repeating myself. I guess it's just reflective of how long it takes for them to produce content. I guess I'll see you faggots when Episode 8 finally releases. Or TADC Episode 2 or whatever the hell they drop next I suppose.

 

[Jonah Hill poster]

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Just under half a year old.
I wonder how high it will be by its first anniversary.

The fact that it even has 300+ million views when compared to their first ever SMG4 bloopers almost a decade ago really either shows how far Luke and Kevin came, or this kind of web animation really is the norm for young adult children.

 

[Burgerasssand]

The plot in Murder Drones is confusing as hell and I hate every single character in it.
The animation in the later episodes is fucking gorgeous tho.

 

[Bob Barbas]

The plot in Murder Drones is confusing as hell and I hate every single character in it.
The animation in the later episodes is fucking gorgeous tho.

That's honestly why it annoys me so much. Everything else about it is great but holy fuck the writing is the worst.
They have the recipe to make something kick ass but they're letting a retard write the plot or something.
I guess money really can't buy good writing. All that production budget doesn't count for shit if the person writing the plot is braindead.

 

[Burgerasssand]

That's honestly why it annoys me so much. Everything else about it is great but holy fuck the writing is the worst.
They have the recipe to make something kick ass but they're letting a retard write the plot or something.
I guess money really can't buy good writing. All that production budget doesn't count for shit if the person writing the plot is braindead.

I'm like 99% sure I've read somewhere (I think it was in a Reddit AMA by the creator) that the show was supposed to be MUCH more slice-of-lifey initially and focus more on the emo bitches school life or whatever the fuck (there was still going to be the eldritch horror shit going on, but it was going a lot more in the background) and that her dad was going to be the main antagonist somehow.

You can kind of see a few trace leftovers of it in the Pilot (there was like a year in-between it and episode 2) like the main guy being less of an absolute pushover beta faggot in it as compared to the rest of the episodes, as well as the more light-hearted dialogue (of which the rest of the show isn't exactly much of a step in the right direction, they traded less awkward interactions for not providing context for ANYTHING that's going on).

It sound's like it was pretty much going to be Twilight but with robots, and I'm not sure if I would have hated that more or this. At least what we have now tries to be something unique, regardless of how absolutely nonsensical and schizoidesque it is.

 

[Bob Barbas]

I'm like 99% sure I've read somewhere (I think it was in a Reddit AMA by the creator) that the show was supposed to be MUCH more slice-of-lifey initially and focus more on the emo bitches school life or whatever the fuck (there was still going to be the eldritch horror shit going on, but it was going a lot more in the background)

Ah, that must be what it was. I remember something similar somewhere and even mentioned it previously in the thread I think?
Can't lie it certainly explains a lot and you can really feel how different the pilot is from the rest of the series.

I wouldn't be surprised if it turns out this is the first story driven thing the creator has written because it really fucking shows.

 

[Bob Barbas]

Alright we finally got an update apparently TADC Episode 2 is coming on May 3rd.

About time we finally heard something other than merch shilling.

 

[Fester Chavez]

Havent watched MD, but reading your takes on its disappointing direction brings to mind a theory I have on why heavilly discussed internet shows go to shit.
The creators read whats being discussed and feel compelled to avoid the common interpretations of the plot in order to be original and surprise the audience. But in doing this, they close the plot off from any coherent plotlines and retcon previously established plot points.
Im sure its happened before, and Im pretty confident its partly what happened to the property that I first felt extreme disappoint toward--Homestuck.

 

[Valstrax]

Im sure its happened before, and Im pretty confident its partly what happened to the property that I first felt extreme disappoint toward--Homestuck.

Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.