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[BigJoey41X]

also if i remember correctly, doesn't her best friend lizzy turn against her too to go befriend the very person who killed doll's parents?
again, what the fuck

she hooked up with her btw, Lizzy was WILLING to turn the colony into an oilbath all because she found V to be hot, and nobody ever raised a stink about it, because remember, MAIN CHARACTERS ARE EXEMPT FROM CONSEQUENCES.

God, why is almost everyone in this story so unlikeable?

It's made all the more bizarre considering she's Yeva's daughter, who was implied to be Nori's friend but yet even Nori doesn't seem to give a damn. It's part of why I'm starting to think that Season 2 was originally planned to be real but then something happened behind the scenes and either Liam decided or he was told "Sorry, no Season 2. Whatever you're writing you need to wrap it up by the end of these 8 episodes." so the thing I heard about the season 2 plot being extremely condensed into the final few episodes is feeling more legit the more I think about it.

Oh yeah, Nori, another character that ultimately didn't do too much, she was only relevant in episode 7 and got demoted to extra by the next and last episode, lmao.

And for whatever reason I assume Liam decided to keep the entire cast from the original slice of life version in the new version of the show which is why there are so many unnecessary characters who don't really do much of anything.
The series to me just seems like a series of very ill advised decisions.

I wonder what that could've looked like, probably still not that good, but most likely still better because he doesn't need to write a super in-depth plot for it.

 

[BigJoey41X]

Lets keep our minds off Murder Drones for a bit, a new teaser for The Digital Circus episode 3 just dropped a couple hours ago.

ETA of release is probably in a month, I think this is supposed to be the spooky manor episode we have been seeing screenshots of.

 

[SteelPlatedHeart]

In regards to MD’s writer, he posted this on Twitter and people are hoping it means he’s going back to the animation he made a while back.

https://x.com/liamvanimation/status/1836231934193901575

 

[Bob Barbas]

In regards to MD’s writer, he posted this on Twitter and people are hoping it means he’s going back to the animation he made a while back.
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https://x.com/liamvanimation/status/1836231934193901575

You mean Cliffside? I think it's called?
I've heard of his other works but have yet to watch them. Though if they're similar to MD in the writing department I'll probably just find myself completely disinterested.
People in the thread claim that Liam just has the writing style of a retarded zoomer. That's his "style" I guess.

 

[BigJoey41X]

In regards to MD’s writer, he posted this on Twitter and people are hoping it means he’s going back to the animation he made a while back.
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https://x.com/liamvanimation/status/1836231934193901575

IF he actually makes a proper series out of cliffside for real, I'm open to having a separate thread for this series and his filmography.

I'm interested where this guy goes in his career, will he improve, or will he keep doing the same thing that satisfies the specific niche audience he has captured?

People in the thread claim that Liam just has the writing style of a retarded zoomer. That's his "style" I guess.

Sometimes I do think that maybe, we're just not the intended target audience for his works, and that's why we hate it, maybe we really just need to switch to a whole new mindset like what that guy who disagreed with us said, he's clearly not a conventional storyteller by any means, and us normalfags with our "believable characters" and "tonally consistent fictional worlds" should just fuck off from criticizing it.

 

[Bob Barbas]

I'm interested where this guy goes in his career, will he improve, or will he keep doing the same thing that satisfies the specific niche audience he has captured?

he's clearly not a conventional storyteller by any means, and us normalfags with our "believable characters" and "tonally consistent fictional worlds" should just fuck off from criticizing it.

I mean, if this has been consistent then you're not wrong. At this point it's doubtful anyone could convince him to actually pick up proper writing habits if he's been at this for several years and still hasn't tried to improve at all.
It's a waste of time. But I wouldn't be on this site if I didn't have time to kill.
Not to mention Murder Drones depressingly positive reception has probably only reinforced him. I'm happy to be proven wrong, but at this point if Liam actually manages to write a compelling story I'll fuck a dude. This shit rigged man.

 

[BigJoey41X]

I mean, if this has been consistent then you're not wrong. At this point it's doubtful anyone could convince him to actually pick up proper writing habits if he's been at this for several years and still hasn't tried to improve at all.
It's a waste of time. But I wouldn't be on this site if I didn't have time to kill.

Somehow, I sort of feel the same way on a good-old fashioned cow as I do on his work, its just such an elaborately made fuck-up that I can't help but be fascinated by the whole picture

 

[Dynamite Bean]

I mean i'll give him this, his insane, downright dumb, method of storytelling can be entertaining in a grab some soda and gummy bears turn your brain off way, if you have nothing else for that category, especially when combined with his monster girl stuff if you're into that sort of thing
and with the comparisons to kojima, who with him i'm also pretty sure he had a thing for pretty women similarly too, maybe liam just had bad rng and tries his best to replicate his Japanese inner spirit

 

[Dynamite Bean]

So i was looking through /co/ and apparently someone had folder contents of glitch inn leaks
so i looked through and found some interesting things, especially this
For context: the designs of the drones were going to be more toy inspired but were changed


Their was also this, make of it as you will

I haven't found much else I thought of interesting yet, if one wants to me leave a link to the download page or upload here so they can look through themselves I'll do it

Art Bible, that explains what it was trying to accomplish

Also he really does love his monster girls and refers to her as favorite killer UWU girl

That's about all I found interesting, didn't find any big hitters regarding story or writing changes or revisions

 

[Bob Barbas]

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Oh, so they were right. So that's it then? The story was supposed to be one big joke or something?
Well in that case, it wasn't funny.

Besides that though,

There's this trope in a certain website named 'Too Bleak, Stopped Caring", that perfectly describes how I feel about Murder Drones, there is NOTHING worth getting attached to in this fictional world.

Since this confirms Liam is aware of it and did it on purpose. Yeah, I agree completely. The setting is so incredibly bleak that even if I liked any of the characters it feels like nothing is going to matter. I mean, so far the running theory so far is that Cyn basically went and snacked on the entire human race. I mean, in Episode 6 it basically tells us after she destroyed earth she went and destroyed all of the human colonies too and of course destroyed Copper-9 indirectly. But beyond that we never see or hear any mentions of other human inhabited locations and of course we never see any real humans throughout the entire series.

Quintillions of people, dead. All because of some funny robot. So, basically the only sentient race in the galaxy is now gone. So now what? The Solver is defeated (For now.) so the robots rule? I guess? But what happens without the humans around to maintain them? Eventually something is going to go wrong and they're probably all going to break down and die too.
There's no hope. Not even a glimmer, which makes it really hard to care about anything. The so called "Happy ending" we got is just a farce.
I guess that explains why the characters take absolutely nothing seriously. Except when they decided to take V seriously for some reason, but ignore that.

The worst part is despite how bleak and edgy the setting is all of the jokes and humor don't even fit at all it's all zoomer bullshit. If you're going to do a dark edgy setting at least have the balls to have some edgy humor too.

 

[BigJoey41X]

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this is the one that stood out to me the most, finally letting us know what in the fuck was his intentions when it came to the writing.

so it looks like what he was trying to accomplish is to make this super grim, messed up universe where a lot of not good stuff happens all the time, then subvert that notion by making the characters act wacky and silly all the time.

bros....have our criticisms been rendered null, is it joever?

also, @Pliskin_72 VINDICATED?, he was absolutely right about what was actually going on here and we all disagreed on him for it.

Did we take the funny silly spooky robot monster show too seriously?, this changes everything as to how should we critique this going forward, as we are essentially barking up the wrong tree.

Although I'm still not dropping my viewpoint of the characters being extremely unlikable and giving me no reason to give a shit about them, that killed my genuine interest.

 

[BigJoey41X]

Did drones still need the humans?, it was established in the opening exposition that they became independent of them and ran their own separate society for an unknown, but presumably generations-long amount of time.

No, the problems seems to be that they have no common sense whatsoever and seem to not give a shit about letting active killers roam around the bunkers freely, that's fucking retarded, even in a wacky comedy, because it was just confusing instead of funny

Because purposefully shitting on your worldbuilding is not funny.

Although I'm still not dropping my viewpoint of the characters being extremely unlikable and giving me no reason to give a shit about them, that killed my genuine interest.

expanding on this point, let me bring up my favorite game, Team Fortress 2, despite what you may think judging by my posts, I actually like some fictional universes where the tone is both extremely violent and extremely silly.

It's another another world where its a wacky funfest, ALL nine of the mercenaries are all varying degrees of violent psychopaths (sound familiar?), but the difference is, they have unique, and charming personalities, independent of the silly factor, the game also refuses to sanitize them at all because the writer may have gotten too attached, no, they are just contract killers who kill, and get killed, over and over and over again.

That's how you make a violently silly universe good in my eyes.

 

[Bob Barbas]

Did we take the funny silly spooky robot monster show too seriously?, this changes everything as to how should we critique this going forward, as we are essentially barking up the wrong tree.

No, not really. I mean, he can say he was pretending to be retarded all day long but that doesn't magically make it good writing.

The point I was making earlier was that there's no point in wasting time criticizing someone who has no desire to even consider said criticism in the first place. Not that it will stop people anyway. This more or less just confirms that the only real option is to just accept the show was dogshit and move on and pray on the slimmest hope that Liam somehow learns something, eventually.

Nah, who am I kidding again the zoomers absolutely ballwashing him over this awful show has probably vindicated him so he'll probably just write even more nonsensical shit in the future for that paycheck.
I can't fault him for getting that bag however, if he wants to sell his soul for profit I ain't gonna tell him he can't. But I will always be disappointed by the fact that he could have chosen to improve his craft and become a somewhat respectable creator instead. Again that's the most frustrating thing, he has potential he's either just too retarded to make the next step or actively just chooses not to.

Did drones still need the humans?, it was established in the opening exposition that they became independent of them and ran their own separate society for an unknown, but presumably generations-long amount of time.

They'll run out of resources eventually. That's the point I was making. For all we know the only drones left active on the planet are the ones in the colony. They gonna go mining and drilling once all the oil and spare parts run out? It'll happen eventually, even if it takes a few more generations.
Plus, it's also really fucking vague how they even "reproduce" in the first place. Do they use a factory? That can't have been it unless there's one inside the colony we just never see considering they've been locked in there for who knows how long. Are they just programmed to be able to build and repair themselves? I guess they must be, it's the only explanation that makes sense. But then you have to wonder where the fuck they're getting all the resources to do so in the first place.

 

[BigJoey41X]

Where I'm going with my critiques is, I'm trying to work with the intentions of the writer here, instead of wishing it as something its not, do I prefer a Murder Drones with no dumb and unfunny self aware meta humor?, yes, absolutely, but he likes it, so it has to stay unfortunately, I'm doing constructive criticism with what could've been improved with the formula instead of "your show is shit, start over".

You are more than welcome to disagree with the decisions he made on the story, but changing the fundamentals is just too much.

They'll run out of resources eventually. That's the point I was making. For all we know the only drones left active on the planet are the ones in the colony. They gonna go mining and drilling once all the oil and spare parts run out? It'll happen eventually, even if it takes a few more generations.

okay, NOW you're lorefagging, for real, this is way too deep into the details, super pedantic background stuff he probably didn't even consider, I don't LV should be concerned with resource management of a robot society, like come on, this is asking too much, especially in the series this nonsensical.

Plus, it's also really fucking vague how they even "reproduce" in the first place. Do they use a factory? That can't have been it unless there's one inside the colony we just never see considering they've been locked in there for who knows how long. Are they just programmed to be able to build and repair themselves? I guess they must be, it's the only explanation that makes sense. But then you have to wonder where the fuck they're getting all the resources to do so in the first place.

From the little info we got, all WDs start from those Pillbabies/Untrained Neural Networks, complete blank slates where the "parents" take care of, and...do something, most likely just raising it like a normal human child, until it grows enough to transferred into a proper WD shell body

Assuming it grows like humans, there may be some middle stage when the babies are now little kids and they first go into that before the "proper" adult body is used, yeah I think this was deliberately ambiguous just so the fans can make their headcanons in their fanfics

 

[Dynamite Bean]

I've more accepted things for what it is, it was fun starting out especially the first 3 episodes but If it's not for me then it just isn't and I have other things with robots in it that still capture my attention

maybe someday if for some weird reason i decide to rewatch the series, i'll keep this all in mind and maybe i'll see the light and enjoy it for what it is but until then if he really wanted a dumb for the sake of being dumb story then that's his choice and I am not the audience

 

[Bob Barbas]

I've more accepted things for what it is, it was fun starting out especially the first 3 episodes but If it's not for me then it just isn't and I have other things with robots in it that still capture my attention

maybe someday if for some weird reason i decide to rewatch the series, i'll keep this all in mind and maybe i'll see the light and enjoy it for what it is but until then if he really wanted a dumb for the sake of being dumb story then that's his choice and I am not the audience

Yeah, same. I'm just done giving a shit at this point. Don't really have much energy to discuss it anymore.

this is way too deep into the details, super pedantic background stuff he probably didn't even consider

Alright, fine, fair enough. The series is already so devoid of even basic logic that expecting something like that is ridiculous.
But if it was all meant to be for the funny then why the fuck were there hints of what obviously seemed like a plot meant to be taken seriously?
That's the part I'm not fucking getting. Liam must have some weird ideas of what a comedy entails, because frankly a lot of the show didn't seem all that funny. Even imagining myself as a retard zoomer with no sense of humor I couldn't find myself laughing at a fair amount of things the show presents.
I could just sit here and list off several moments in the series and go "Where was the joke when [X]" but fuck it, I don't care enough to bother at this point.

But this explanation of it all having supposed to be some kind of comedy is even more confusing and makes me think Liam really is just a retard.

 

[Trollblade69]

How is anything in this show supposed to be Over The Garden Wall-esque?

 

[BigJoey41X]

The subreddit posted a bunch of screenshots in a discord server where LV did a small AmA to give out on some additional info about Murder Drones (and some general words to the fandom).

Here are the key takeaways I got for the TL;DR people:

• The snow in Copper-9 isn't normal snow, its essentially made out of toxic chemicals that explain why the planet is inhospitable to organic life post-core collapse.
• Tessa is apparently a fucking graverobber lmao, she has a hobby of picking out human corpses, this might be one possible explanation as to where she got hair for J, N, and V.
• There was a cut detail of making the Sentinels communicate with their own version of morse code
• Liam Vickers himself admitted his series has a lot to be improved on.

I concede to @Bob Barbas on this, he can lorefag this show as much as he wants, Liam is just as pedantic about the lore too.

It seems his creative mind is dominated by two contradictory characteristics, he wants to make a comprehensive universe full of little details, but also do a comedy where everyone is some silly goober that does and says dumb shit because it's funny, how the fuck can anyone balance these two opposite ideas without turning out completely incoherent?

We all complained that Liam couldn't choose when to be serious or be comedic, turns out he wanted both, at the same time.

The last point is also something important to note, this is the first time he publicly acknowledged that there is clearly something wrong with his series, that's good, the very first step to getting better at writing this is being aware that there are flaws, I like that even with how absurdly positive the general reception from his audience got, he hasn't been made to become delusional by the echo chamber (Vivziepop still hasn't learned this lesson.) at all.

This actually gives me a glimmer of hope, I'm looking forward to what his next project might become.

 

[BigJoey41X]

How is anything in this show supposed to be Over The Garden Wall-esque?

The only watched that show once almost a decade ago, I have pretty much lost the plot or what even happened, but the one thing about it that stuck on my mind all these years later was the general vibe and atmosphere it gave off, there's an air of mystique and adventure around it that constantly envelops the whole world, the art direction really helps, that was still fucking amazing

In the most superficial way, yes, Murder Drones is similar to OTGW, but that's pretty much where it ends.

 

[Bob Barbas]

I concede to @Bob Barbas on this, he can lorefag this show as much as he wants, Liam is just as pedantic about the lore too.

I'm just confused at this point if I'm being honest.
So yeah I think the answer is he just has no idea what the fuck he's doing. But at least he's seemingly aware of that fact. That being said I can't dislike him, he's not an asshole or anything. I just think his work could use improvement. So all I can really do is hope this has been a learning experience for him. He seems like a nice guy. So I do hope he improves.
Like, I'm not even asking for like deep lore or anything. If he can at least just make the characters interesting or follow his own presented logic in a setting or just y'know the very barebones basic thing when it comes to writing a story then I'll be fine with it.