GLITCH Productions - From the guys that brought you the Super Mario 64 bloopers

[BigJoey41X]

LV is probably not lying at MD being only meant for one 8-episode long season, he's talking about the final product here, his original concept was definitely planned to be bigger, but Glitch told him "nuh-uh, 8 episodes, take it or leave it", now his entire plan just got fucked, and you can tell he failed adapting with the restriction and the result was just a mess he himself admitted he wasn't truly happy with.

But, even if he WAS given what he wanted like 2 seasons or a longer one-season run, MD would still have been shit, maybe just far less of a mess than it is, his idea of being simultaneously lore-driven, but also doing meta jokes that are completely out of place at the same time is just a fundamentally flawed concept that would never resonate with most people outside of the biggest autistic retards on the planet, not to mention he completely fails at writing compelling characters, even the 8-episode limit shouldn't hinder that.

I find this statement hard to believe. Vicker's himself admitted he couldn't fit in everything he wanted, and there is ample evidence that suggests Murder Drones has a troubled production cycle. Heck, the show even pulls a Helluva Boss by almost completely throwing out the premise set up in the pilot. Except Helluva Boss at least had a few episodes before it went full gay melodrama, and even then they're currently putting out shorts which actually follow what the pilot established.

According to a reddit AmA, the reason the premise just flipped like a switch between the pilot and season 1 is because they "found the solver plot much more interesting to work with", i get that its a pilot, but did they really not consider how that would massively confuse the audience, especially when there's such a strong level of continuity?

That aside, I find it strange that Gooseworx of all people is commenting on Murder Drones' production. For a company that has pretensions of professionalism, you'd think they'd select someone directly involved in Murder Drones to answer questions, or at the very least, someone in management.

Goose is commenting of his own accord here, he doesn't want to make people think Glitch is the reason MD was cut short and have people worried that they would do some "executive meddling" in TADC too, he put his foot down and plainly stated that he got as much creative freedom as he wanted, and that extended to MD too.

 

[GoodWinSon]

But, even if he WAS given what he wanted like 2 seasons or a longer one-season run, MD would still have been shit, maybe just far less of a mess than it is, his idea of being simultaneously lore-driven, but also doing meta jokes that are completely out of place at the same time is just a fundamentally flawed concept that would never resonate with most people outside of the biggest autistic retards on the planet, not to mention he completely fails at writing compelling characters, even the 8-episode limit shouldn't hinder that.

I apologize, I should have clarified that I consider Vickers' scatterbrained writing under "production issues". It seems nobody was willing to put their foot down and say, "Liam, that's stupid". The price of creator freedom I suppose.

 

[BigJoey41X]

I apologize, I should have clarified that I consider Vickers' scatterbrained writing under "production issues". It seems nobody was willing to put their foot down and say, "Liam, that's stupid". The price of creator freedom I suppose.

This is an interesting point to touch on actually, have you people seen the credits?, he listed as the sole director, producer, and writer of the whole series, only one single man has complete control over the creative direction, with the rest of team is involved in the more technical and "boring" aspects like animation, modeling, sound design, and budgeting, it really looked like there was nobody else was in the position to say "no, this is stupid, rewrite this"

Murder Drones was their first show not made by them, Glitch could have felt that they had to entertain his ideas possibly because there was no one else willing to work with them at the time, they were a much smaller and less known studio back in 2020-2021 mind you.

 

[Thomas Talus]

The most likely reason Glitch is significantly more aggressive in their marketing for the Digital Circus is they are trying to milk it all of its worth, I won't blame them for that, a show that gets this popular and borderline mainstream is a rare phenomenon, they're investing more because they know it brings them even more attention and money.

A Spirit Halloween store near me has a big picture of a children's Pomni costume, which is a hell of a thing for a series with two episodes that is aimed at an audience nearly 20 years older than the child wearing the costume.

 

[Life is Hell...]

 

[NSJAP]

 

[BigJoey41X]

Spoiler: General Thoughts about the episode

honestly?, this is the weakest so far, the comedy got significantly toned down for the horror theming, which I didn't mind if the other parts made up for it, the big character moment between Pomni and Kinger didn't hit as hard compared to what she had with Gummigoo, I think the dynamic between the straight man (woman) and the schizo should have been played up more to create an internal conflict, so when he becomes lucid for that brief time, and finally get to know him along with Pomni, it would be a good payoff and climax of the episode.

Oh and also it feels like a retread of the conversation she had with Gummy just last episode, with Pomni now being the recipient, that's definitely why it wasn't as good

The Zooble therapy session is a disappointment, with the exception of what happened to Caine, its literally just two scenes in the first half of the episode, and her problems with the circus are just straight up told, instead of being shown organically, that's really lazy writing, I don't really like Zooble now that her first true character moment in what is supposed to be the episode that focuses on her is...this, and I don't really care if she is unsatisfied with her form or something.

The Pomni-Ragatha friendship is being built up even more, but I'm still feeling ehh from it because the dynamic of overly coddling mommy and normal woman isn't giving me best friends vibes, I hope this changes in future episodes.

And here are some interesting things I picked up from a first watch:

• Kinger took CS, confirming he's a programmer who I'm 100% sure is involved in the creation of the Digital Circus, he also is the only one that somehow remembered something from his pre-circus life, could the others have too?
• The Queenie theory is confirmed.
• Caine spazzing out almost breaks the circus, he's the core of the whole software, if he goes down, so will the entire thing, will undoubtedly play a part at the final episodes
• Abstracted performers aren't completely lost, and can still be calmed down to some extent, but the possibility of reversal is still up in the air, Pomni specifically is given this information, keep that in mind.
• Jax looked mad at Pomni when she said she genuinely had a good time with Kinger, furthering how much of a bitter fuck he is that seeing people be happy turns him away

7/10 overall, hope the next episodes will pick up the slack.

Edit: According to Gooseworx each episode from the 3rd until the 6th one has focused on specific members of the main cast, Kinger and Zooble is episode 3, Gangle is 4, Rags is 5, and Jax is 6

Since the next episode is for Gangle, I wonder what will happen there, so far she has literally been nothing but a one-joke gag character, at least Zooble has a somewhat believable personality that could've been expanded upon, but for the ribbon woman?, err I dunno about that chief.

 

[Bob Barbas]

Edit: According to Gooseworx each episode from the 3rd until the 6th one has focused on specific members of the main cast, Kinger and Zooble is episode 3, Gangle is 4, Rags is 5, and Jax is 6

I guess I'll say it here since this is moreso the general Glitch Productions thread rather than the dedicated TADC thread. (Though in my opinion they might as well be merged or something but that's something for staff to decide, not me.)

But this, this right here is exactly the one thing Trannyworx is doing right that Liam "Monstergirlfucker" Vickers did wrong. And that's actually giving the characters time in the spotlight. If that slide from the final episode of Murder Drones is a self-deprecating joke based on the truth then Liam admits he was too focused on simply introducing Cyn and showing off her design than any of the actual lore or even the characters in the series and that is exactly what killed it for a lot of people, including me.

If you really think about it, the characters in MD don't even really have development either except for V hilariously enough but it's so rushed and unearned it might as well not even have happened.

• Uzi stays exactly the same, she just finds a doormat BF who is willing to accept her cringe.
• N stays a back boneless doormat who can't stand up for himself.
• V goes from an absolute psycho to suddenly caring about people in the span of a single episode.
• J stays the same unlikable bitch she always was from beginning to end.
• Doll exists and then she dies.

The series fails to give the viewer much to care about or really anyone to root for. Hell, I admit I was hoping for N to finally grow a spine and tell V or J off. He KIND OF started to in Episode 4 but then the dimentia kicks in and he completely forgets he can do that and never does it again.

 

[BigJoey41X]

I guess I'll say it here since this is moreso the general Glitch Productions thread rather than the dedicated TADC thread. (Though in my opinion they might as well be merged or something but that's something for staff to decide, not me.)

But this, this right here is exactly the one thing Trannyworx is doing right that Liam "Monstergirlfucker" Vickers did wrong. And that's actually giving the characters time in the spotlight. If that slide from the final episode of Murder Drones is a self-deprecating joke based on the truth then Liam admits he was too focused on simply introducing Cyn and showing off her design than any of the actual lore or even the characters in the series and that is exactly what killed it for a lot of people, including me.

If you really think about it, the characters in MD don't even really have development either except for V hilariously enough but it's so rushed and unearned it might as well not even have happened.

• Uzi stays exactly the same, she just finds a doormat BF who is willing to accept her cringe.
• N stays a back boneless doormat who can't stand up for himself.
• V goes from an absolute psycho to suddenly caring about people in the span of a single episode.
• J stays the same unlikable bitch she always was from beginning to end.
• Doll exists and then she dies.

The series fails to give the viewer much to care about or really anyone to root for. Hell, I admit I was hoping for N to finally grow a spine and tell V or J off. He KIND OF started to in Episode 4 but then the dimentia kicks in and he completely forgets he can do that and never does it again.

Goose outright states that his show is specifically about the characters and doesn't want discussions about it to become a deep lore dumpster for the fandom to obsess over, which I think is the right call, I'm completely fine with letting how the circus functions remain ambiguous as long as the emotional narrative between the performs are interesting enough

 

[Bob Barbas]

Goose outright states that his show is specifically about the characters and doesn't want discussions about it to become a deep lore dumpster for the fandom to obsess over, which I think is the right call, I'm completely fine with letting how the circus functions remain ambiguous as long as the emotional narrative between the performs are interesting enough

And that's pretty much it.
If Murder Drones had at least compensated for the shit tier lore by at least making the characters entertaining it wouldn't be as bad.

Again look at Devil May Cry. As someone who enjoys those games (Shocking, I know.) I will readily admit the lore in those games is super vague and pretty dogshit. But that's not what you're signing up for, you're sighing up for the insane fucking characters (and the kickass gameplay.) Hell I'd argue one thing the Reboot did a little better than the originals was explain itself better. We got actual lore on Sparda and such. Lore on Dante and Vergil's childhood, ect. But that's like one of the few things I'm willing to give to that shitheap. Too bad the sacrifice was the characters.

If Liam didn't give a single shit about the lore then all of the weird FNAF tier background stuff was a very odd choice. From what it sounds like the entire show was just to show off Cyn and not much else. And Cyn themself is not interesting enough to carry fucking anything. None of these characters are which is why the show sucked dick.
Honestly the more I think about it, the more hilarious and kind of retarded it all seems. Imagine spending all of this money just as an excuse to show off your corpse robot design. Amazing spending right there.

 

[BigJoey41X]

One more funny thing I noticed.

Zooble's big problem with the circus stems from "not being happy in the body they (she) were(was) given", this is why she's so apathetic towards her life there, she can't enjoy anything when she's dissatisfied with her current form.

Looks like someone projected themselves a little too much into a character they were writing.

 

[Gender: Xenomorph]

keep that in mind

Will be retconned and forgotten so that we can focus on the REAL focus of this show; Kain x Bubble yaoi.

 

[Chilson]

One more funny thing I noticed.

Zooble's big problem with the circus stems from "not being happy in the body they (she) were(was) given", this is why she's so apathetic towards her life there, she can't enjoy anything when she's dissatisfied with her current form.

Looks like someone projected themselves a little too much into a character they were writing.

That is the character the troon in chief of this production is currently using as an avatar. So this projection really isn't surprising.

Its also incredibly stupid narratively. No other character seems to mind their current forms, mainly because they have no memory of who they were prior to this (besides Kinger, who is demented) and therefore have nothing to compare it to. Caine also gives HER the option to modify HER body however SHE wants, but SHE adamantly refuses and chooses to remain miserable, unhelpful to the extreme and bitchy.

So in all, they did an incredible job of writing a Troon character. A perpetually bitchy miserable sack of worthless garbage who refuses any help offered fits troons to a fucking T. Its a shame that they just did it unintentionally.

 

[Seventh Star]

I loved the episode and actually felt sad for Pomni. I don't care what you faggots say, it actually feels genuine and sweet which is refreshing for a modern show.

Its also incredibly stupid narratively. No other character seems to mind their current forms, mainly because they have no memory of who they were prior to this (besides Kinger, who is demented) and therefore have nothing to compare it to. Caine also gives HER the option to modify HER body however SHE wants, but SHE adamantly refuses and chooses to remain miserable, unhelpful to the extreme and bitchy.

They all seem to cope in different ways. If this is how Gooseworx self inserts, so be it, all things considered its harmless and can be applied to a bunch of stuff that isn't being a troon.

 

[Gender: Xenomorph]

So in all, they did an incredible job of writing a Troon character. A perpetually bitchy miserable sack of worthless garbage who refuses any help offered fits troons to a fucking T. Its a shame that they just did it unintentionally.

But YOU DON'T GET IT! They are dwepwessed!

They can't help it! It's just the way they are! Their parents spoiled them with money, a home, education, love, but not the thing they really needed Gender affirming care! Which they didn't know until their Discord friend clued them into it. Sooo sad UWU!

Edit: The best part is when the entire fanbase wrote Jax of as this lovable asshole/good at jeart funny man, but they disregarded all of that and went with their original vision, and he's just an asshole

 

[Bob Barbas]

Edit: The best part is when the entire fanbase wrote Jax of as this lovable asshole/good at jeart funny man, but they disregarded all of that and went with their original vision, and he's just an asshole

Honestly I wish he would stop spoiling shit in advance like he does because imagine the fucking shitstorm that we were deprived of when it inevitably turns out Jax is actually just an asshole with no redeeming qualities? Goose said that we're going to find out Jax either did, or is going to do something horrible. (Don't remember which.) and that he's the one who deserves to be trapped in the circus the most. The fanbase just assumed he was the lovable asshole type. Imagine if Goose said none of this, imagine the fucking sperging that we would have witnessed when it was revealed the funny rabbit was an absolute piece of shit? Hell, I admit I would've been caught off guard a little too. I just assumed it was gonna turn out Jax was the cliche "I'm afraid of connection so I act like an asshole and push everyone away from me because I don't want to feel loss again." types until Goose confirmed otherwise. I might have actually been mildly surprised! Can't have that.

 

[Seventh Star]

Jax is the reason they're all in there in the first place, most likely.

 

[Rembrandt]

One more funny thing I noticed.

Zooble's big problem with the circus stems from "not being happy in the body they (she) were(was) given", this is why she's so apathetic towards her life there, she can't enjoy anything when she's dissatisfied with her current form.

Looks like someone projected themselves a little too much into a character they were writing.

So in all, they did an incredible job of writing a Troon character. A perpetually bitchy miserable sack of worthless garbage who refuses any help offered fits troons to a fucking T.

And don't forget the moral of the story from the King - "the worst thing you could do is make someone feel they're not wanted or loved". Very on the nose.

 

[Dynamite Bean]

Didn't take them too long to start subtlety injecting their bullshit into it
wonder how much farther they'll go as it progresses

 

[BigJoey41X]

Honestly I wish he would stop spoiling shit in advance like he does because imagine the fucking shitstorm that we were deprived of when it inevitably turns out Jax is actually just an asshole with no redeeming qualities? Goose said that we're going to find out Jax either did, or is going to do something horrible. (Don't remember which.) and that he's the one who deserves to be trapped in the circus the most. The fanbase just assumed he was the lovable asshole type. Imagine if Goose said none of this, imagine the fucking sperging that we would have witnessed when it was revealed the funny rabbit was an absolute piece of shit? Hell, I admit I would've been caught off guard a little too. I just assumed it was gonna turn out Jax was the cliche "I'm afraid of connection so I act like an asshole and push everyone away from me because I don't want to feel loss again." types until Goose confirmed otherwise. I might have actually been mildly surprised! Can't have that.

This dude needs to stfu from his tumblr, its ruining the fun if he's just going to let out plot-specific details on future episodes, there were zero good reasons he needed to do that at all, he can talk about his show all he wants once its done.

I don't really mind the subtle trans allegories or some shit, what I didn't like was it didn't make me feel any additional sympathy for Zooble at all when she finally revealed her problems in such a dry and uninteresting way, by quite literally just outright stating it, she was given so little screentime in the lead up to this moment that I was thought was just "oh, okay."

A better way to have done this is to show how she struggles with her body, no matter how many parts she switches, she doesn't feel anything, and she finally lets out her frustrations in a later episode, maybe as a climax to a dramatic scene, that's how I feel you can build up a character for the audience to get behind with.

Along with Kinger, Episode 3 is supposed to be her focus episode, but weren't given all that much, and that worries me when the spotlight moves to the other members of the cast.