Good media that should never have been made

CoD modern warfare fucked FPS and gaming in general forever. The achievements, the horrible hud, the cancerous community of little shits screaming at your mic, it all began with that otherwise good game. Then came the endless sequels and imitators, shit from that game even spilled to other non-FPS games
Going to be sacrilegious here and say the Sonic franchise. Good 2D platformers, but SEGA didn't know what the fuck to do with him past those. From 3D platformers that were decent at best, to the stupefying lows of Shadow the Hedgehog , Sonic '06 and Forces. And because they rely on him as a crutch, SEGA just won't let the poor fucker die already.
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Sonic in the early 90s was massive, was the "it" game for a while so you got tons of copycats, some okay like bubsy but most were horrible shit like aero acrobat and mr. nuts
What's your opinion on Sonic Frontiers?
Shit shovelware, if they wanted to capitalize on the open world fad they shoulda done that 10-15 years ago when it was trendy
The screamingly silent plane crash will never not make me piss myself with laughter:
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Wait that was real? I thought it was a meme, who the fuck thought it was a good idea?
I would like to add the 2007 Transformers film to the list. While a more or less fun and well-done movie on its own
It was never good, every fan of the original hated it, you barely got to see the actual transformers and 2/3rds of the movie were bay's shitty generic human characters that you see in all his movies
It probably wasn't the first, but The Martian was the first time I really noticed the blatant China pandering and China wank in a modern movie. Now there have been a lot of movies since then with that in it. Good movie but that shit was annoying.
Did you forget the chinese army propaganda in 2012? it was so fucking obvious, way more than the martian
 
Powerpuff Girls was probably the start of "cutesy girl protags that can kick ass" that was later followed by the likes of Kim Possible, Atomic Betty and Totally Spies, eventually culminating in the one show I believe helped in the creation of far more troons than any other.

I named that cartoon in particular because of who show creator Craig McCracken went on to marry...
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And even though this is from the '90s, you can immediately tell the way the pony was animated went on to inspire Faust's version of MLP 15-odd years later, and it in turn went on to signifcantly weaken a generation of male nerds and made them more questioning of "gender norms" among other lib-science bullshit.
 
Powerpuff Girls was probably the start of "cutesy girl protags that can kick ass" that was later followed by the likes of Kim Possible, Atomic Betty and Totally Spies, eventually culminating in the one show I believe helped in the creation of far more troons than any other.

I named that cartoon in particular because of who show creator Craig McCracken went on to marry...
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And even though this is from the '90s, you can immediately tell the way the pony was animated went on to inspire Faust's version of MLP 15-odd years later, and it in turn went on to signifcantly weaken a generation of male nerds and made them more questioning of "gender norms" among other lib-science bullshit.
I feel bad that Faust actually didn't want Rainbow Dash to be a lesbian because she wanted to avoid stereotypical "Tomboys equal lesbians". But after she left the writers pretty much implied she was a lesbian at the end. Which just ruins what Fraust was trying to avoid and pretty much futhered the lie that "all tomboy are lesbians" trope.
 
Was Madoka Magica also what made the "Subverting Expectations" trope become popular later, especially with today's media? Assuming that it was even an actual subverting of expectations, to begin with.
Episode 3 and the show being darker than the key art suggests isn't a surprise, in the first episode, Madoka's dream in the opening sequence and the first appearance of the Anthonies sets the tone of the series perfectly
 
I think the idea of doing a prequel, explanation, animated series about the prequel, mythology etc can all be placed at the foot of the matrix. As someone else in the thread already said it's a good movie on its own right, but it's spawned a lot of bad shit.

I rewatched it a couple of months ago for the first time in nearly 20 years. It's good but not great, in retrospect the new agey shit with the Oracle could have been stripped from the movie and it could have been a straight Sci-Fi action dystopian thriller. That new age Oracle crap was the backdrop for horrible sequels animated series and other garbage.

And the playbook has been replicated multiple times over with other series. Can't they just give us a straight story the first time without needing to explain the explaining 18 times?
 
It probably wasn't the first, but The Martian was the first time I really noticed the blatant China pandering and China wank in a modern movie. Now there have been a lot of movies since then with that in it. Good movie but that shit was annoying.
When I saw the movie, I at least didn't have a problem with it. If the Chinese government were willing to partake in an international mission to save a stranded American astronaut in some plausibly not-so distant future, I'm all for that!

Though the China pandering kinda goes way back before the movie with examples like that one god-awful deleted Iron Man 3 scene were the chongs are the ones who save him:


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Magic: The Gathering, after becoming one of the most well-known TCGs ever to be made, would lead to many nasty trends with not only MTG itself, but with other card games in general. The first being that packs would lead to the loot box trend that would later be seen in video games, and the whole obsession about MTG cards being an investment, which is why the whole debate about the Reserved List exists. (which is Wizards of the Coast's statement that says that certain older cards will never be reprinted again, to ensure their value) In addition, WotC has been going all-in on trying to raise their ESG score, using every imaginable tactic available, i.e. blackwashing characters on cards, troon players and casters for MTG events, and the cancellations of Terese Nielsen and Seb McKinnon, because of their political beliefs. Also, WotC (along its parent company Hasbro) has been getting more and more aggressive with power creep, and pushing out product after product, purely to milk the shit out of whales, such as the various Secret Lair sets, including crossover collaborations such as with Fortnite (Yes, that is a thing), Hasbro's other IPs (i.e. MLP, Transformers), and Street Fighter. The whole 30th Anniversary Edition, where are selling proxy cards of Beta Edition (as in they are not even tournament legal), at a price of $1000 for 4 packs, threw out any form of subtlety in regards to WotC and Hasbro treating MTG as a cash cow.

The whole TCG deal also lead to other various TCGs coming out, to varying success. Some successful ones included Yu-Gi-Oh!, and Pokémon's TCG, which Wizards of the Coast was actually in charge of designing the English cards, until the license was transferred over to The Pokémon Company in 2003.

Also, Pro Wrestling promotions, i.e. World Wrestling Federation/Entertainment, World Championship Wrestling, All Elite Wrestling, would also lead to nasty trends with both the fanbases of them, and the promotions themselves. You have the whole carnie shit that goes on behind the scenes of those promotions, and the fanbases of them are on their own levels of toxic. I don't have that much knowledge about the deep behind-the-scenes stuff with that, would anyone that knows more about it give some examples?

Michael Bay's The Rock and Roland Emmerich's Independence Day ushered in a new era of summer blockbusters that were dumber, louder and more in your face.

Taken on their own The Rock and Independence Day are good movies and their bombastic style is appealing, but they killed the good momentum summer blockbusters had been on from 1977-1993, when everyone tried to imitate Emmerich and Bay instead of Spielberg and Lucas things got way, way dumber and more obnoxious and Bay and Emmerich themselves proceeded to make nothing but crap after those two movies.

Titanic ruined James Cameron, something bad went to his head and all we've gotten since are blue space cat people movies instead of cool shit like Aliens, Terminator 2 and True Lies.

Also, Roland Emmerich's 2012 was the final nail in the coffin in regards to disaster movies, since there were so many (I think?) that the genre was getting stale and people were getting tired of them. Sure, there were later films like Sharknado, but the disaster movie genre hasn't got back to the levels that movies such as 2012 and The Day After Tomorrow did.
 
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The Boys TV show, and how fast it got plagiarized into some low quality bullshit.

It had the potential to tone down Ennis' cynicism and mix it in with some humor and be a great end product... It had to become a parody of itself I suppose.
 
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The Boys TV show, and how fast it got plagiarized into some low quality bullshit.

It had the potential to tone down Ennis' cynicism and mix it in with some humor and be a great end product... It had to become a parody of itself I suppose.
I still think its a pretty decent show, but it certainly got stupider. Season 1 was such a solid package, Season 2 was kind of meandering and aimless but still okayish, 3's just full on fucking shlock, which kind of works half the time, I liked everything with Soldier Boy, but alot of it is ehhhhhhh.
 
I still think its a pretty decent show, but it certainly got stupider. Season 1 was such a solid package, Season 2 was kind of meandering and aimless but still okayish, 3's just full on fucking shlock, which kind of works half the time, I liked everything with Soldier Boy, but alot of it is ehhhhhhh.
God I'm so fucking happy Happy! died after season 2.

(Season 1 is a must watch if you like The Boys)
 
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I dont even think it was good but without it, we wouldnt even be here talking about it.

Fucking Sonic the hedghog.

Iron man for capeshit movies
Alsoa, Watchmen for capeshit comics.

And of course, about isekai, people dont know how old that shit is, blaming 00's anime for it, but it is much older:

 
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Was Madoka Magica also what made the "Subverting Expectations" trope become popular later, especially with today's media? Assuming that it was even an actual subverting of expectations, to begin with.
Actually no, for the Mahou shoujo genre it was actually Fate/kaleid liner prisma illya that started in 2007 with elements lf mahou shoujo from fate/hollow ataraxia (2005).

The series starts as a parody of mahou shoujo with fate characters and concepts and evolve into a more normal fate but with magical girls in the setting.

Kyuubei from madoka is basically a different take with the kaleidostick from fate that enjoys tormenting it user. It isnt as dark as madoka but things get pretty serious just like a normal fate would.
One bit is that because they are mahou shoujo they can fly, but one of the girls just understand that humans cant fly and even with magic she still doesnt to this day.

I am almost sure that urobuchi was inspired by the Kaleidostick since the cute item that is a cunt was always there.
I think the idea of doing a prequel, explanation, animated series about the prequel, mythology etc can all be placed at the foot of the matrix. As someone else in the thread already said it's a good movie on its own right, but it's spawned a lot of bad shit.
Dont think so, at least in other media (thinking about movies, I can recall the superman reeves movies that got supergirl movie, then a superboy tv series prequel and even that got adaptations in other media). Comics are famous for being convoluted with authors trying to explain, reorganize, expand charvters mythos, origins and such. Even the reboot lf superman in 1985, right after it got 3 differenr mini series detailing parts of the lore and world of adjacent chracters. And it is just a simple example.
 
inspire Faust's version of MLP 15-odd years later, and it in turn went on to signifcantly weaken a generation of male nerds and made them more questioning of "gender norms" among other lib-science bullshit.
I blame those fags trying to put a "I watch a girl's show, give me a prize" mentality. By MLP's airing, I was already used to Sailor Moon, Nanoha and Powerpuff Girls. I knew if anyone can do a girls show that everyone can enjoy, it would be Faust.

IMO, Star Trek DS9 is a once of a lifetime show of the Star Trek franchise and after seeing "What You Leave Behind" documentery, it could have been worse if the creators and writers had that "current year" mentality. Insted of treating Dax as a character, they would use both the old man slug and the carriers as a blatent attempt of tronning.
 
Morrowind.
The reason is quite simple. It released on the Xbox and made them realize there was a market for such games on the console, this led to Bethesda learning all the wrong lessons and completely doubling down on making their games as accessible as possible to a new generation of console retards, which is how we got Oblivion and then Skyrim. Bethesda has been on a downward spiral ever since.

And if Morrowind had failed Bethesda would be dead. Considering the abomination Bethesda is now... That would have been a mercy killing.
 
Actually no, for the Mahou shoujo genre it was actually Fate/kaleid liner prisma illya that started in 2007 with elements lf mahou shoujo from fate/hollow ataraxia (2005).

The series starts as a parody of mahou shoujo with fate characters and concepts and evolve into a more normal fate but with magical girls in the setting.

Kyuubei from madoka is basically a different take with the kaleidostick from fate that enjoys tormenting it user. It isnt as dark as madoka but things get pretty serious just like a normal fate would.
One bit is that because they are mahou shoujo they can fly, but one of the girls just understand that humans cant fly and even with magic she still doesnt to this day.

I am almost sure that urobuchi was inspired by the Kaleidostick since the cute item that is a cunt was always there.
I thought it was Bokurano that inspired Madoka. Prisma Ilya is way too silly for being subversion and Kyubey is the more faustian "I didn't tell you cause you didn't ask" than the trollish kleidostick.
 
I thought it was Bokurano that inspired Madoka. Prisma Ilya is way too silly for being subversion and Kyubey is the more faustian "I didn't tell you cause you didn't ask" than the trollish kleidostick.
Kaleid isnt a subversion, it is a parody that gets turned into a fate series as it goes on, being darker than it is.

The kaleidostick in kaleid is also really tame compared to what it is in hollow ataraxia, rin had it the entire time in FSN but the trauma of using it and the shame it bring for her was so much that she sealed it in the magic chest.

That stick is downright evil sometimes (since her personality is based on kohaku from tsukihime)

Bokurano was inspired by The Moon which was pretty dark for a kids story too, the ending is brutal even when the story had so many silly elements
 
I don't know if they were solely responsible for this or if they're necessarily good, but there has been a massive uptick of PS1-"""""like""""" (if you can even call them that) horror games which all feature the same shit. Low-poly models, shitty+extremely warped textures, shitty VHS filter, protagonist going on a collectathon, and it all seems to stem from this development group called Puppet Combo.

My point being they all just feel the same and a bit repetitive with the overall "PS1" aesthetic.
 
I don't know if they were solely responsible for this or if they're necessarily good, but there has been a massive uptick of PS1-"""""like""""" (if you can even call them that) horror games which all feature the same shit. Low-poly models, shitty+extremely warped textures, shitty VHS filter, protagonist going on a collectathon, and it all seems to stem from this development group called Puppet Combo.

My point being they all just feel the same and a bit repetitive with the overall "PS1" aesthetic.
It seems to be cyclical. People who never played the games they model their creations after or were otherwise very young trying to imitate a style they know little about.

In the 2010s for instance there was a whole bunch of fake 8/16-bit sidescrollers that tried to emulate the "NES" style and utterly failed. Now we're past that stage and instead we're seeing people try the same shit with fifth-gen aesthetics. In about 5 - 10 years time we'll start seeing "PS2" games that look like the simulation scene from Stargate SG1.

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