Good media that should never have been made

[skykiii]

You beat me to it. Any time you see Earthbound-style art that's a flashing warning sign: HERE BE TROONS.

I'll add in the one-two punch of the "Lord of the Rings" and "Harry Potter" movies, for introducing the idea that you can and should try to turn movies into multipart epics (or worse, "cinematic universes").

Lord of the Rings was gonna be my pick, for basically ruining the one pure work of art we still had and directly leading to further molestation of Tolkien that we've seen over the years.

 

[GatorAids]

Final Fantasy VII for teaching publishers that they'll be guaranteed sales if they just put out a huge advertisement campaign which takes up like 40% of the games budget.

The Last of Us for exactly the reasons you think.

Iron Man because holy fuck are Marvel movies dogshit.

The Talmud

 

[Thiletonomics]

The Gran Turismo game series, despite the games getting wide acclaim for their gameplay, and striving to fulfill its tagline of being "THE REAL DRIVING SIMULATOR", would also have it's set of undesirable traits come out in the later games. The UI still continues to be unnecessarily clunky to use, compared to other games. And while Kazunori Yamauchi's autistic care for the details about cars was one of GT's strengths as a game, it also leads to focusing too hard on details that are normally very minor for racing games, i.e. tree graphics, and leaves the details that are more major in racing games feel neglected at the same time, namely the severe lack of newer cars.

The over-attention to physics models in racing games that GT was one of the first to pioneer at, also would leak out to other racing games, as many of them would get trashed, just for not having "realistic physics" like Gran Turismo. And Sim Racing is its own level of over-obsession with racing, that I would not rather think about.

 

[Oilspill Battery]

The most obvious game inspired by it was Overwatch

Overwatch was born, rose to fame and died inbetween an average tf2 content drought, that will never not be funny to me.

 

[Thiletonomics]

Some of Go Nagai's titles, since he (I think) kicked off the ecchi trend in anime, also come to mind. Kekko Kamen is one example, although it did seem to have some sort of self-awareness to it, given that it has characters like an SM Nazi named Gestapoko:



Violence Jack: Evil Town is also another example, with it's extreme levels of violence and rape, and also because it fortold today's trooning trend with this MtF character that is pre-OP, named Blue:



The fact that after Blue gets decapitated by Violence Jack, his corpse gets eaten by his boss friend, and said boss transforms into a monster, possibly a reference to the Wendigo curse, just adds on to the horror and depravity.

 

[Tragi-Chan]

The Dark Knight trilogy. The first two movies were great, if far from perfect. But they introduced a number of crappy tropes that plagued cinema for years.
- Dark and gritty superhero films.
- The villain’s motivation is that he wants to prove a point.
- “He wanted to get caught!”
- Really intricate villain plan that doesn’t actually make sense when you think about it.
- Using the main villain of a franchise as sequel bait.

 

[Shagedan]

both franchises had a bunch of waifufaggotry before the newer games added dating sim elements

I know I’m late to the party, but since someone’s already necro’d this thread I have no choice but to defend my shitty animu storytime franchise.

Until Awakening, Fire Emblem made its nickels being the premier shipping simulator. You don’t pick a waifu, you pick two characters and pair them. Shouzou Kaga made this pure gaming kino in FE4, where each character in the first half of the game can pair with each other and have children that inherit their weapons and stats, as well as special dialogue depending on who they’re related to as a consequence of those pairings.

That may be only marginally less gay than waifufaggotry, but if getting Arden some holy blood pussy is wrong, then I don’t wanna be right.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

the ecchi trend in anime

In general Ecchi would have been anyways since people like their T&A. But I never understood why people treat ecchi as a bad thing, it's not like a bad anime would become better with no fanservice. Or a good anime is brought down by fanservice.

 

[BrunoMattei]

I'd also say Star Wars. With the caveat that Alien still exists. The big reason why Alien was made is that Fox was shocked by the surprise success of Star Wars and wanted to greenlight anything that was Sci-Fi and Alien was one of the only scripts they had.

 

[ZsaZsaBinks]

Sesame Street and Mister Rogers’ Neighborhood started the trend of authors and creators putting themes of diversity and inclusion into children’s media and perhaps media in general.

 

[Smashed & Slamed]

Banished. It's a great little indie game but because of it every single chromosome enriched dev with access to Unity has shat out a clone of it on the Steam page. Makes it impossible to browse Steam and find good strategy games. No your shitty game is not a City Builder, 10 crack shacks don't make a city and it's also not a Colony Sim when the ai has as much independence and identity as the faggot who made the game.
I could also add Frostpunk but Frostpunk isn't good, but that hasn't stopped z tier devs from shitting out clones of that.

 

[ZsaZsaBinks]

Deep South hip hop, particularly the style of droning the lyrics while on the effects of sizzurp, inspired the subgenre of mumble rap. Rappers like Lil Wayne are known for doing this, and their popularity inspired future rappers to create the same style.

 

[Thiletonomics]

In general Ecchi would have been anyways since people like their T&A. But I never understood why people treat ecchi as a bad thing, it's not like a bad anime would become better with no fanservice. Or a good anime is brought down by fanservice.

Some people blame Ecchi (and Hentai as well, although that's another story altogether) for the current degenerate state of today that is Clown World. And even if Japan gotten nuked even harder to the point that Ecchi wouldn't exist, the degeneracy would have manifested elsewhere.

Going back to the topic at hand, Forza Horizon, for all the success that it has in the open-world racing genre, also provided just as many detriments to the entire racing game genre as a whole. It, along with its sister Motorsport series and Gran Turismo, have all pushed for graphics and car physics being the focus, with gameplay being put on the back burner. Some wokeness is noticeable in FH5 (i.e. pronoun options, voice options, prosthetic limbs, and the player characters don't look that attractive), and Keira Harrison (who owns the Horizon festival in FH3 and 4) doesn't make an appearance, although in that case, it's mostly limited to the player character options. And the dialog in the game is cringy as hell, which will again be a trend in future racing games to come. The game also showers you too easily with cars, as I would prefer to have a nice happy medium between car showers in Forza Horizon, and the massive grindfests to get a car in Gran Turismo.

The focus on player character customization that FH introduced to racing games in 4, i.e. clothing, while I don't mind it, does also seem like it takes away some of the focus from the actual racing, i.e. victory emotes, which specifically I would not miss at all if they were to be removed in a future game. It would be nice to be able to customize clothing like how Gran Turismo allows you to create custom helmets and race suits.

Racing games have also become increasingly focused on Photo Modes, again seemingly while neglecting the actual racing gameplay. Gran Turismo even added a feature, Scapes, where you can take pictures of cars in various featured locations. The Crew 2 (I think) has a feature where you can rewind time in Photo Mode, to get the shot of the car in just the way you want, which is pretty impressive that they managed to add that feature. And FH5 added being able to take photos with your player character either in the driver seat of the car, or outside of the car, which again I don't mind, but it was an odd and random feature to add. It's gotten to the point that some people only play racing games, just to take photos.

And the open-world racing game genre has gotten so narrow, with Horizon's dominance, that new competitors would most likely flop if they tried, and the ones still remaining are just hanging on. Need for Speed had at least two recent okay games in Heat and Unbound, but that's after the massive amount of stinkers that they put out before them. The Crew also exists for PlayStation players, but TC1 will be shut down this year, and it being always-online means that you can't even play it after the servers shutdown. Motorfest turned out to be a decent game, given that it had a much lower budget than Forza Horizon, and the dialogue in the game was somehow less cringy than FH5's, and that's inspite of Sweet Baby being in charge of the writing. There is also the upcoming Test Drive Unlimited game, Solar Crown, but the severe lack of recent news, along with 2 years of delays (the release was pushed from 2022, to 2023, and now 2024), really makes it sound like the game is massive vaporware.

I would like to see how Kazunori Yamauchi and Polyphony Digital take on the open-world racing game genre, by making a Gran Turismo spin-off, and would give some real competition to Forza Horizon. The setting would absolutely hit all of the autistic marks that Kaz focuses on in his games, i.e. the cars themselves and the culture, photography of them, going to landmarks, and the campaign where you climb up from using shitboxes, to hypercars, that past GT games had. And since it would most likely to take place in Japan, that would finally answer the cries of weeb racing fans that want a game that takes place in GLORIOUS NIPPON! And maybe that would move a bit more PS5s for Sony, although with Sony CEO's statements about expanding to other platforms, maybe not, if this GT spin-off were to get a PC port.

 

[Danann]

From the looks in this thread, probably everything and everyone would agree that our entertainment was doomed from the very beginning.

 

[Michael Wade]

I wish this was a feel good thread about impossible odds that were overcome to give us good movies and such.

 

[Pee Cola]

Family Guy, the original seasons are fantastic and even now, there's the occasional surprisingly good episode but goddamn. In the past couple of years, mature animation has only just started to crawl out of the sea of Family Guy clones.

Uncancelling Family Guy after Season 3 was a big mistake.

 

[Retard of the Month]

Not exactly an example because I hate it, but I used to love it. Undertale is the reason why half of all zoomers (including myself) are huge faggots.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

Some people blame Ecchi (and Hentai as well, although that's another story altogether) for the current degenerate state of today that is Clown World. And even if Japan gotten nuked even harder to the point that Ecchi wouldn't exist, the degeneracy would have manifested elsewhere.

It's a ridiculous argument considering that if you ask trannies what are their favourite anime it will be Pokemon, Sailor Moon and Princess Mononoke. Which are very low on sexual fanservice. Being able to access hardcore porn from your pc is far more of a reason for coomerism than seeing animated Japanese shows as a child.

Anyways thread tax, I blame Stephen King for the magical nigger trope. So the Green Mile gets my pick.

 

[Huh what?]

Dexter. There are some good seasons, but overall it's just not worth it.

 

[The Real Me]

Not exactly an example because I hate it, but I used to love it. Undertale is the reason why half of all zoomers (including myself) are huge faggots.

But you can't deny that when Deltarune concludes in the year 2038, it will be the the indie game equivilent to a Greek Epic.