GPUs & CPUs & Enthusiast hardware: Questions, Discussion and fanboy slap-fights - Nvidia & AMD & Intel - Separe but Equal. Intel rides in the back of the bus.

[Twinkletard]

More AMD stuff, this time from Newegg Insider whatever that is.

https://videocardz.com/newz/newegg-insider-lists-amd-radeon-rx-6000-series-specifications

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What catches my eyes is the 5700XT/6700XT specs. Surely, if true, the 6700XT won't be worse than the 5700XT, and if so potential performance gains can be guesstimated. It looks to be doing more with less(clock speed, membus, bandwidth) if we assume that it is also faster than its predecessor. That would be a big thing for AMD.

Now we know why Nvidia rushed their launch.

 

[New Fag]

More AMD stuff, this time from Newegg Insider whatever that is.

https://videocardz.com/newz/newegg-insider-lists-amd-radeon-rx-6000-series-specifications

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What catches my eyes is the 5700XT/6700XT specs. Surely, if true, the 6700XT won't be worse than the 5700XT, and if so potential performance gains can be guesstimated. It looks to be doing more with less(clock speed, membus, bandwidth) if we assume that it is also faster than its predecessor. That would be a big thing for AMD.

I'm a bit late but the 5000 series were 5500, 5600 and 5700, the 6000 series will be 6700, 6800 and 6900. So the 6700 should be compared to the 5500 and not the 5700.

 

[Basil II]

I'm a bit late but the 5000 series were 5500, 5600 and 5700, the 6000 series will be 6700, 6800 and 6900. So the 6700 should be compared to the 5500 and not the 5700.

does this mean the 6700 will be priced at the same level as 5500 and have similiar performance or is AMD trying to go for the high end?

 

[Smaug's Smokey Hole]

I'm a bit late but the 5000 series were 5500, 5600 and 5700, the 6000 series will be 6700, 6800 and 6900. So the 6700 should be compared to the 5500 and not the 5700.

That would break their naming and numbering scheme though. Going back to the Athlon, and even before that, they have used model numbers to 'suggest' how their product stacks up against their competitor. If the 6700 is intended to compete with a Nvidia xx50 card that would be pretty bad for AMD going forward as it would cause confusion and uncertainty for consumers, it would be better to bite the bullet and give it a lower model number. Going back to the bullshit ATI days and name it the Radeon RX HD 6550 PRO would be preferable.

 

[New Fag]

does this mean the 6700 will be priced at the same level as 5500 and have similiar performance or is AMD trying to go for the high end?

That would break their naming and numbering scheme though. Going back to the Athlon, and even before that, they have used model numbers to 'suggest' how their product stacks up against their competitor. If the 6700 is intended to compete with a Nvidia xx50 card that would be pretty bad for AMD going forward as it would cause confusion and uncertainty for consumers, it would be better to bite the bullet and give it a lower model number. Going back to the bullshit ATI days and name it the Radeon RX HD 6550 PRO would be preferable.

I have a confession to make I am not a tech nerd...

 

[Max Doof]

I guess this is a better place for gpu specifics than the stupid questions thread.

I don't ever plan on playing games past 1080p but would like to try my hands at editing, streaming, and overall use sai/csp/blender with no problems what so ever so would waiting for the 3070 be a huge waste of cash and find something older and cheaper or wait it out

Also for more clarity I currently have an r5 3600 if that helps.

 

[Smaug's Smokey Hole]

I guess this is a better place for gpu specifics than the stupid questions thread.

Also for more clarity I currently have an r5 3600 if that helps.

It depends on what programs you use and what workloads and workflow you have. Different programs within the same area of use will lean different ways, some will be bottlenecked by the CPU and others by the GPU or the amount of VRAM might be the most important thing. Take a look at the programs you use and balance out something from that. A 3070 wouldn't be a bad buy but wait and see what AMD releases, if their card is similarly priced to the 3070, 85-90% as fast but have 16GB VRAM then I think that would be a better buy for content creation. Look at the Radeon VII, it wasn't great in games, it cost the same as a RTX 2080, performed better(and worse) than the 2070 but it had 16GB of HBM2 and for its price it was a monster in content creation and OpenCL rendering workloads.
On the other hand, if you buy a really powerful card with lots of memory then use Adobe programs that likes single-threaded CPU performance none of that matters. So research the programs you use.

Having to touch the settings in a game for 1080p won't be an issue for at least a couple of years if you buy the 3070 or the thing AMD puts out to compete with it.

 

[Max Doof]

It depends on what programs you use and what workloads and workflow you have. Different programs within the same area of use will lean different ways, some will be bottlenecked by the CPU and others by the GPU or the amount of VRAM might be the most important thing. Take a look at the programs you use and balance out something from that. A 3070 wouldn't be a bad buy but wait and see what AMD releases, if their card is similarly priced to the 3070, 85-90% as fast but have 16GB VRAM then I think that would be a better buy for content creation. Look at the Radeon VII, it wasn't great in games, it cost the same as a RTX 2080, performed better(and worse) than the 2070 but it had 16GB of HBM2 and for its price it was a monster in content creation and OpenCL rendering workloads.
On the other hand, if you buy a really powerful card with lots of memory then use Adobe programs that likes single-threaded CPU performance none of that matters. So research the programs you use.

Having to touch the settings in a game for 1080p won't be an issue for at least a couple of years if you buy the 3070 or the thing AMD puts out to compete with it.

Ok im gonna look more into it and also see what happens once we get close to the 28-29th, thanks!

 

[Just Some Other Guy]

So apparently the 3080 Strix can clock as fast as the 3090. Which means the 3090 is utterly pointless outside of the amount of ram. No wonder these cards barely overclock, the whole product stack is being ran at it's limits to the point there's almost no difference.

That Samsung silicon really threw a wrench in everything. It's AMDs' game to lose at this point. They have the better silicon, but will they pull another Ryzen?

 

[CreamyHerman’s]

So apparently the 3080 Strix can clock as fast as the 3090. Which means the 3090 is utterly pointless outside of the amount of ram. No wonder these cards barely overclock, the whole product stack is being ran at it's limits to the point there's almost no difference.

That Samsung silicon really threw a wrench in everything. It's AMDs' game to lose at this point. They have the better silicon, but will they pull another Ryzen?

I think so

 

[Ginger Piglet]

So apparently the 3080 Strix can clock as fast as the 3090. Which means the 3090 is utterly pointless outside of the amount of ram. No wonder these cards barely overclock, the whole product stack is being ran at it's limits to the point there's almost no difference.

That Samsung silicon really threw a wrench in everything. It's AMDs' game to lose at this point. They have the better silicon, but will they pull another Ryzen?

Hmmm, not really. The 3090 has 20% more cores as well as a wider memory bus on account of same.

Then again, what's the betting that Big Navi also turns out to be a paper launch. Frankly, though my 3080 hasn't arrived yet (Scan says the delivery is delayed to 7-9 October) I'm not cancelling my order just yet. If it's not arrived, and Big Navi turns up, and there's actually a stock worth speaking of, and it has comparable performance, and costs less, I'll cancel it then and grab a Radeon 6900.

 

[Just Some Other Guy]

Hmmm, not really. The 3090 has 20% more cores as well as a wider memory bus on account of same.

Then again, what's the betting that Big Navi also turns out to be a paper launch. Frankly, though my 3080 hasn't arrived yet (Scan says the delivery is delayed to 7-9 October) I'm not cancelling my order just yet. If it's not arrived, and Big Navi turns up, and there's actually a stock worth speaking of, and it has comparable performance, and costs less, I'll cancel it then and grab a Radeon 6900.

It's hard to say. I have a feeling that AMD will have better stock that Nvidia at launch. They're using proven silicon that they've already worked with. It really depends on how much of their wafer allotment they're willing to put towards GPUs.

Add into the mix Jensen coming out and saying that stock will continue to be shit for the rest of 2020, claiming that they simply weren't expecting so much demand (what a load of bullshit, lol). 3070 now pushed back to after the Navi release....it's been a very messy launch. If AMD ever had an opportunity to hit it home, now would be a good time.

Have stock, and have the driver issues ironed out at launch. They have the silicon, they just need to back it up.

 

[Just Some Other Guy]

So it's CPU stuff, but the new Ryzens were announced today with average gains up 26% in 1080p gaming.

That was the last bastion Intel had, but the new Ryzens are priced for market dominance with the 5600X now costing a whopping $300.

 

[The Mass Shooter Ron Soye]

So it's CPU stuff, but the new Ryzens were announced today with average gains up 26% in 1080p gaming.

That was the last bastion Intel had, but the new Ryzens are priced for market dominance with the 5600X now costing a whopping $300.

They also gave some performance numbers for Zen 3 paired with Big Navi. 61 FPS in Borderlands 3, 88 in Call of Duty: Modern Warfare, 73 in Gears of War 5, all at 4K highest settings. Compare those numbers to 5700 XT and you will have a better picture of how Big Navi performs.

 

[Ginger Piglet]

So it's CPU stuff, but the new Ryzens were announced today with average gains up 26% in 1080p gaming.

That was the last bastion Intel had, but the new Ryzens are priced for market dominance with the 5600X now costing a whopping $300.

That they've jumped from the 3000 series to the 5000 series also sends the message that this is a larger leap than from Ryzen 1000 to 2000 to 3000.

Also, they've done something Intel doesn't - maintained compatibility with existing motherboards. I have a B550 motherboard for my Ryzen 3700X. If I wanted to upgrade to a Ryzen 5000, I could with that chipset. Granted, wouldn't be quite as good as with a B650 board but given that Intel changes socket every other year...

 

[Just Some Other Guy]

That they've jumped from the 3000 series to the 5000 series also sends the message that this is a larger leap than from Ryzen 1000 to 2000 to 3000.

Also, they've done something Intel doesn't - maintained compatibility with existing motherboards. I have a B550 motherboard for my Ryzen 3700X. If I wanted to upgrade to a Ryzen 5000, I could with that chipset. Granted, wouldn't be quite as good as with a B650 board but given that Intel changes socket every other year...

I figured my X570 is overbuilt enough to handle a 5600x at max. I don't know if I'll be going to one, though. I'd have to see some actual reviews on it.

 

[Twinkletard]

That they've jumped from the 3000 series to the 5000 series also sends the message that this is a larger leap than from Ryzen 1000 to 2000 to 3000.

Also, they've done something Intel doesn't - maintained compatibility with existing motherboards. I have a B550 motherboard for my Ryzen 3700X. If I wanted to upgrade to a Ryzen 5000, I could with that chipset. Granted, wouldn't be quite as good as with a B650 board but given that Intel changes socket every other year...

Yeah, they'll also have support for 400 series mobos next year. I'm in for a 5900X once I hear reviews on the performance. Seems like that's the best bang for the buck on these for gaming.

 

[Spasticus Autisticus]

That they've jumped from the 3000 series to the 5000 series also sends the message that this is a larger leap than from Ryzen 1000 to 2000 to 3000.

Also, they've done something Intel doesn't - maintained compatibility with existing motherboards. I have a B550 motherboard for my Ryzen 3700X. If I wanted to upgrade to a Ryzen 5000, I could with that chipset. Granted, wouldn't be quite as good as with a B650 board but given that Intel changes socket every other year...

The jump past 4000 is because those numbers are already being used for their mobile processors, and because "4" sounds like "death" in Chinese so they don't want to spook the superstitious slants.

 

[Just Some Other Guy]

So while the price bump is a bit of a bummer, there's some major entitlement showing from some people. I guess to some, AMD is always supposed to be the budget knock-off Intel. So many are surprised that when they finally beat Intel not just 80% of the time, but now across the board, prices are going to reflect that.

People have shown that they're willing to pay more for the "premium option", no matter the hardware.

 

[Basil II]

So while the price bump is a bit of a bummer, there's some major entitlement showing from some people. I guess to some, AMD is always supposed to be the budget knock-off Intel. So many are surprised that when they finally beat Intel not just 80% of the time, but now across the board, prices are going to reflect that.

People have shown that they're willing to pay more for the "premium option", no matter the hardware.

Imagine bitching about entitlement to defend your corporate overlords, go back to reddit.