GPUs & CPUs & Enthusiast hardware: Questions, Discussion and fanboy slap-fights - Nvidia & AMD & Intel - Separe but Equal. Intel rides in the back of the bus.

[Just Some Other Guy]

Imagine bitching about entitlement to defend your corporate overlords, go back to reddit.

Imagine bringing up 2 subjects that have zero relation to each other as if they did.

 

[Basil II]

lmao AMD went full jew, surely this won't have any negative effects for this company.

 

[Just Some Other Guy]

lmao AMD went full jew, surely this won't have any negative effects for this company.

Idk, I don't have any stakes in the game. Will people vote with their wallets? I doubt it.

Edit - It's also worth noting that an Intel 10600k is $270 on sale. MSRP was $320. So if anything, a 5600X is still priced competitively with Intel. I never buy new anyways because I'm a cheapskate. We'll see how long they retain their MSRP price tag. Intel could very well come out swinging with price drops, or the 11000 series.

 

[Μusk]

The only people I've actually seen complain about the prices are Redditors, specifically on r/AMD and r/buildapc, and they complain about everything. They'll still be buying the CPUs from AMD, even with the honestly trivial $50 increase in price. Even if the price manages to be slightly higher than the competitor from Intel.

There are many factors that go into determining the price of a product. People ignore this fact and can only see that its going to put stress on their wallet, and to them that's all that matters. Can't really blame them, though, and this is a consideration the marketing debt. and ultimately the CEO has to make. People often don't care about the fine details.

They'll need to ask themselves if the performance is more important than the price. If they want, but don't actually need cutting edge, they can just buy Zen 2 instead and still have a highly performing CPU. Won't have 8 CPU CCXs, not as high clock speeds, as high IPC, the architectural tweaks and optimizations, or AMDs new technologies, but its still very powerful and competent for daily activities.

 

[Just Some Other Guy]

The only people I've actually seen complain about the prices are Redditors, specifically on r/AMD and r/buildapc, and they complain about everything. They'll still be buying the CPUs from AMD, even with the honestly trivial $50 increase in price. Even if the price manages to be slightly higher than the competitor from Intel.

There are many factors that go into determining the price of a product. People ignore this fact and can only see that its going to put stress on their wallet, and to them that's all that matters. Can't really blame them, though, and this is a consideration the marketing debt. and ultimately the CEO has to make. People often don't care about the fine details.

They'll need to ask themselves if the performance is more important than the price. If they want, but don't actually need cutting edge, they can just buy Zen 2 instead and still have a highly performing CPU. Won't have 8 CPU CCXs, not as high clock speeds, as high IPC, the architectural tweaks and optimizations, or AMDs new technologies, but its still very powerful and competent for daily activities.

Yeah, for most uses a 3000 series is still plenty, and can be had for cheap. These 5000 chips look to be directly aimed at Intel's last holdout: raw single core performance. That's a segment that people have gladly been paying the Intel premium for.

 

[Ponchik]

i do care about single core performance for emulation/old ass pc games but unless the madmen over at win-raid manage to hack together some drivers for windows 7, i'll just keep thirsting over a ryzen 3000 chip and hold onto it forever when i end up getting one

my mind is specifically wired to ignore people who pull out the "DURR YOU'RE JUST ENTITLED" argument against people who argue that a large fortune 500 corporation may or may not be doing something stupid

 

[Basil II]

i do care about single core performance for emulation/old ass pc games but unless the madmen over at win-raid manage to hack together some drivers for windows 7, i'll just keep thirsting over a ryzen 3000 chip and hold onto it forever when i end up getting one

my mind is specifically wired to ignore people who pull out the "DURR YOU'RE JUST ENTITLED" argument against people who argue that a large fortune 500 corporation may or may not be doing something stupid

on this emulation side of things Zen 2 is pretty much perfect for every emulator out there including PS3 and Switch, you won't need anything better until PS4 emulation takes off.

 

[Just Some Other Guy]

i do care about single core performance for emulation/old ass pc games but unless the madmen over at win-raid manage to hack together some drivers for windows 7, i'll just keep thirsting over a ryzen 3000 chip and hold onto it forever when i end up getting one

my mind is specifically wired to ignore people who pull out the "DURR YOU'RE JUST ENTITLED" argument against people who argue that a large fortune 500 corporation may or may not be doing something stupid

Complaining about a price increase that people have said will come once AMD can actually beat Intel across the board isn't arguing that they're doing something stupid, however.

I finally decided to take a look at r/AMD..and yeah, it's the picture of entitlement. Idk where people got this idea that AMD is your friend here to save you from higher prices. They have a precedent for jacking prices when they're in the lead. Anyone who still wants a sub $200 great cpu can grab a 3000. Those who were going to to grab Intel for that sc performance anyway now have AMD on the table.

Everyone knows Comet Lake is a worse value for most workloads, and yet people still grab it for that sc performance.


Now if someone wanted to argue that these prices could dissuade people with a 3000 Ryzen, or already have a newer Intel, from going to a Ryzen 3 chip then that's something else. But saying a Ryzen 3 chip is more expensive compared to similar Ryzen products in the past for the sake of argument is simply stupid. These new chips, if the claims are true, are in a different bracket competitively compared to older generations of Ryzen.

Edit - I will say I am disappointed with the lack of non X cpus (for now). They might be axing them completely, or it's a more budget option they're holding in reserve for the eventual Intel response. Wafer capacity is also something to consider. While AMD has a 30% share of TSMCs output, that silicon is being used for a lot of stuff now.

 

[Smaug's Smokey Hole]

I updated the thread title, with GPU spergery comes CPU spergery.

Complaining about a price increase that people have said will come once AMD can actually beat Intel across the board isn't arguing that they're doing something stupid, however.

I finally decided to take a look at r/AMD..and yeah, it's the picture of entitlement. Idk where people got this idea that AMD is your friend here to save you from higher prices. They have a precedent for jacking prices when they're in the lead. Anyone who still wants a sub $200 great cpu can grab a 3000. Those who were going to to grab Intel for that sc performance anyway now have AMD on the table.

Everyone knows Comet Lake is a worse value for most workloads, and yet people still grab it for that sc performance.


Now if someone wanted to argue that these prices could dissuade people with a 3000 Ryzen, or already have a newer Intel, from going to a Ryzen 3 chip then that's something else. But saying a Ryzen 3 chip is more expensive compared to similar Ryzen products in the past for the sake of argument is simply stupid. These new chips, if the claims are true, are in a different bracket competitively compared to older generations of Ryzen.

Edit - I will say I am disappointed with the lack of non X cpus (for now). They might be axing them completely, or it's a more budget option they're holding in reserve for the eventual Intel response. Wafer capacity is also something to consider. While AMD has a 30% share of TSMCs output, that silicon is being used for a lot of stuff now.

They can charge a premium for X CPUs and with the clock boost over non-X they perform a bit better so it makes sense to show them off first and put those on sale first before the cheaper version comes out.
Combining the L3 into one big chuck and doubling up on the chiplet core count comes at a cost as well, everyone says that the process they use is now so mature that they can take a step away from the design they used previously to cut costs/waste but IMO it isn't free to do what they're doing now, there's still a cost to it because yields can't possibly be as good as they are for the simpler 4 core CCXs. Higher costs means higher prices. IMO higher pricing(and this is already about the premium X model) comes from both the rise in cost and the ability to raise them due to their market position.

During the Pentium 4/Athlon days I think the Athlon was still cheaper than the lousy P4 so people are probably stuck in that mindset. Before that K6's was cheaper than the P2 as well but only diehard AMD fanboys championed the K6 while chugging around in Quake 2.

 

[GHTD]

I just got a prepaid $100 card from Metro for having active cellphone service for 2 months, and I'm thinking about buying a second graphics card to do GPU passthrough on Linux with my free money.

I've got an RX 580 as my main, what's my best shot for a second card?

 

[DeadwastePrime]

I just got a prepaid $100 card from Metro for having active cellphone service for 2 months, and I'm thinking about buying a second graphics card to do GPU passthrough on Linux with my free money.

I've got an RX 580 as my main, what's my best shot for a second card?

another rx 580? i mean im pretty sure crossfire only works with like gpus

 

[GHTD]

another rx 580? i mean im pretty sure crossfire only works with like gpus

I'm not doing Crossfire/SLI. I'm talking about passing a dedicated graphics card to a VM to play Windows games while no need to reboot.

Crossfire/SLI is combining the power of multiple GPUs.

 

[malt ipecac]

I'm not doing Crossfire/SLI. I'm talking about passing a dedicated graphics card to a VM to play Windows games while no need to reboot.

Crossfire/SLI is combining the power of multiple GPUs.

Unless your budget is really low, I'd repurpose the RX 580 as a secondary GPU and spend the money on a better main card.

Would you mind describing the setup you're using/will use to do this? Or linking to something that explains how that works

 

[GHTD]

Unless your budget is really low, I'd repurpose the RX 580 as a secondary GPU and spend the money on a better main card.

Would you mind describing the setup you're using/will use to do this? Or linking to something that explains how that works

My budget does happen to be pretty low at the moment.

I'm on a second-gen Ryzen with 16GB of RAM and a 512GB SSD. It's a two year old system but I want to get some mileage out of it before I replace it.

 

[malt ipecac]

My budget does happen to be pretty low at the moment.

I'm on a second-gen Ryzen with 16GB of RAM and a 512GB SSD. It's a two year old system but I want to get some mileage out of it before I replace it.

Re: budget - gotcha. I guess I just say that because RX 580 is still a pretty great value card, and when you move toward cards that are cheaper you end up sacrificing a lot of performance per $ saved. If you're looking to buy a whole GPU using that $100 gift card, seems like the performance hit would be huge.

On the setup question: I phrased that badly. I actually want to know what software you're using to do this and how you're configuring the hardware (are you planning to plug both of the GPUs into your motherboard's PCIe slots?)

 

[Smaug's Smokey Hole]

Re: budget - gotcha. I guess I just say that because RX 580 is still a pretty great value card, and when you move toward cards that are cheaper you end up sacrificing a lot of performance per $ saved. If you're looking to buy a whole GPU using that $100 gift card, seems like the performance hit would be huge.

On the setup question: I phrased that badly. I actually want to know what software you're using to do this and how you're configuring the hardware (are you planning to plug both of the GPUs into your motherboard's PCIe slots?)

A passthrough won't use the GPU in that way, it uses the GPU on the host for rendering/work and delivers the completed frame to the GPU on the guest. It's internal streaming where the framebuffer is copied to another card. As far as I know at least, Secondleveltechs had a spergy "heh" Linux video about it a couple of years ago running a Vega and a 1080(I think?).

Just to be safe, and this is what I'd do to avoid any potential headaches, get a card with the same amount of vram. A 580 or 480 or even a 380 would fit the bill at a relatively low cost if you buy it used, otherwise you'd look at a 1070 or newer on the Nvidia side, 5500XT 8GB is another alternative.

 

[Allakazam223]

2060 super just died bros, forgot my old 390x died and that was the reason I upgraded. Hopefully the MSI Canada RMA is better than the US. 7 months at stock to the day.

 

[Vecr]

2060 super just died bros, forgot my old 390x died and that was the reason I upgraded. Hopefully the MSI Canada RMA is better than the US. 7 months at stock to the day.

Is your PSU putting out horrible current surges or something? That's really weird.

 

[Smaug's Smokey Hole]

Read that the Ryzen 5600 will retail at $220 and be released in early 2021. That's just 20 bananas up from the previous R5 x600s and 80 bucks cheaper than the 5600X. The new X versions seems to have that early adopter tax.

 

[Allakazam223]

Is your PSU putting out horrible current surges or something? That's really weird.

Shouldn't be, got a new Corsair 850x and a battery backed up UPS at the same time. I think MSI has lost me as a customer. Really chapped me as I now see used 2080ti's dropping into the range of what I paid for that 2060S.