GPUs & CPUs & Enthusiast hardware: Questions, Discussion and fanboy slap-fights - Nvidia & AMD & Intel - Separe but Equal. Intel rides in the back of the bus.

[Jack Awful]

Depends. If you are gaming at 60hz, no it won't make any difference. But if you are gaming at higher refresh rates, say 120 or 144, then a 5600 or 5800 will produce a notable difference in some games.

Yeah, I'm aiming for 144hz.

 

[Smaug's Smokey Hole]

Depends. If you are gaming at 60hz, no it won't make any difference. But if you are gaming at higher refresh rates, say 120 or 144, then a 5600 or 5800 will produce a notable difference in some games.

"in some games" likely meaning "five games that are really demanding" and if you're not playing those then it doesn't matter much.

TBF, if people didn't buy scalped product then the practice would stop instantly.

But you know what they say: "I'M GONNA CONSOOOOOOM!"

Gone are the days of the expiration date of scalped items. It used to be that you could hang around a venue and pick up concert tickets for less than they originally sold for shortly after they started letting people in.

 

[Just Some Other Guy]

"in some games" likely meaning "five games that are really demanding" and if you're not playing those then it doesn't matter much.

Gone are the days of the expiration date of scalped items. It used to be that you could hang around a venue and pick up concert tickets for less than they originally sold for shortly after they started letting people in.

Yeah, but nobody is going to sit around on ever growing amount of stock if nobody buys. It's the knowledge that some people are eventually going to give in that enables scalpers. Scalpers are a symptom of greed. That some people just HAVE to have IT now, cost be damned.

I mean, look how desperate people are to get a new GPU by lining up outside of Microcenter 5 hours early in the middle of winter. And not just once, multiple times because you're not even guaranteed they'll have any that day.

For a fuckin' GPU/CPU.

 

[DNA_JACKED]

Yeah, I'm aiming for 144hz.

Then there would be a good benefit from moving to a 5000 series.

"in some games" likely meaning "five games that are really demanding" and if you're not playing those then it doesn't matter much.

In all games the 5000 series has a notable advantage for 144hz gaming. Especially notable in fast paced games, but present in all. The lack of CCXs helps tremendously.

 

[CreamyHerman’s]

Yeah, but nobody is going to sit around on ever growing amount of stock if nobody buys. It's the knowledge that some people are eventually going to give in that enables scalpers. Scalpers are a symptom of greed. That some people just HAVE to have IT now, cost be damned.

I mean, look how desperate people are to get a new GPU by lining up outside of Microcenter 5 hours early in the middle of winter. And not just once, multiple times because you're not even guaranteed they'll have any that day.

For a fuckin' GPU/CPU.

Honestly most games are playable on a 5700XT or 2070 super just fine. Hell if you're just playing at 1080p 60Hz for most games, a discount used 580/570, used 1070 or a 1660(ti)Super is just as good as well. Honestly the only two things that need a new gpu are: Ray-Tracing(debatable) and VR, which I wouldn't recommend the new cards until they include motion smoothing for both 3000 and 6000 series.

 

[Mr. Skeltal]

TBF, if people didn't buy scalped product then the practice would stop instantly.

But you know what they say: "I'M GONNA CONSOOOOOOM!"

Scalpers are a symptom, not the disease. The disease is CONSOOMerism. People see new big numbers attached to new products and it short circuits reason in favor of "new shiny has big numbers, more numbers is more good, so need new shiny".
Your GPU (or APU lol) are probably fine unless they crash at 720p low in almost every title or can't drive 1080p 60Hz in most recent ( ≤5 years old) releases. If you're a real low-spec enthusiast then 720p 30-40Hz is tolerable on a potato rig; anything less isn't really worth playing aside from vintage low-poly games.

Raytracing and VR support are expensive gimmicks.
DLSS and AMD's equivalent are nifty looking tech but not really worth braving the scalpers for. Most modern games look and run fine enough on older kit except for the benchmarking resource hogs. Besides, squeezing more life out of aging hardware is a good thing; the less e-waste, the better.

 

[Smaug's Smokey Hole]

Scalpers are a symptom, not the disease. The disease is CONSOOMerism. People see new big numbers attached to new products and it short circuits reason in favor of "new shiny has big numbers, more numbers is more good, so need new shiny".

The worst is flagship phones and their GPUs. Teens use phones to play Fortnite so 3D isn't wasted on them but I've met people that get hyped over phone performance and when asked 'why' they don't know, they just got swept up in the hype. PC GPU consooomerism is almost sane and rational when compared to that.

 

[Fuck Y'all]

The worst is flagship phones and their GPUs. Teens use phones to play Fortnite so 3D isn't wasted on them but I've met people that get hyped over phone performance and when asked 'why' they don't know, they just got swept up in the hype. PC GPU consooomerism is almost sane and rational when compared to that.

and I just want mere 5500XT, so i would finally disable iGPU and free up the ram

 

[AmpleApricots]

A friend is guilty of this. I have the finest cheap chinese smartphone because I had to have a smartphone and it just does it's thing with LineageOS and the google crap removed. He just needs to have the newest Apple thing and doesn't do much more with it than use a messenger, check emails and do GPS maps and take the occasional picture, all t hings my years-old chinesium phone does just as well. Once one of his phone's GPS failed in some weird way and had to be repaired. I never had that problem.

This phone consooming also adds a lot to the electronic trash heap and wastes resources that are quite rare. It's not much better with computers though, you'd probably have to keep some of these devices for a decade or more to justify what energy and resources they burned from manufacturing all the way to delivering them to your doorstep. Unsustainable probably doesn't even begin to describe it. It's all pretty hopeless when attitudes don't change and that's also why I think that these several "right to repair" movements in different countries with different law suggestions will ultimately not achieve much even if they would manage to reach all of their goals. This mindless consumerism is implanted into most people's heads from a young age and even the possibility to make a device more sustainable or just keep it operative longer through repairing won't do much when people gotta have the new model that's coming out in six months anyways. If you need proof for that just look at the second-hand (genuine, not scalper) market these days. It's entirely possible to buy all you really need used (but almost unused). Also the pandemic was another example for this. People spent less money on stuff they don't need and saved more and focused on stuff they actually needed and as a result entire economic systems globally started sharting themselves. It's quite crazy if you think about it for a minute.

 

[DNA_JACKED]

and I just want mere 5500XT, so i would finally disable iGPU and free up the ram

I mean, it wouldnt free up much RAM, but if you wanted something like that, the RX 480 has roughly the same performance as a 5500xt and you can find them for $120 or so on ebay.

Hell, I have one I'd sell ya, if we had a marketplace.

You could also go for something like a used 290x if power budget isnt an issue

 

[CreamyHerman’s]

VR support are expensive gimmicks.

I disagree on VR being a gimmick. It’s not as expensive as it used to be as well

 

[Stasi]

What the fuck is up with GPU prices right now? Even the used market is insane. I've been looking for a while for a budget card to pair with my old i7-4790 so I can play some newer games on setting above 720/low and all prices are through the roof.

Just watched a video from last year on the RX 480 and they were going for ~£100 used a year ago. Now most listings and sold prices are ~£170. How the fuck is that even possible? A year on and this used GPU has almost doubled in price.

If anyone has suggestions for something that can still be found for a reasonable price I'm all ears.

 

[Just Some Other Guy]

What the fuck is up with GPU prices right now? Even the used market is insane. I've been looking for a while for a budget card to pair with my old i7-4790 so I can play some newer games on setting above 720/low and all prices are through the roof.

Just watched a video from last year on the RX 480 and they were going for ~£100 used a year ago. Now most listings and sold prices are ~£170. How the fuck is that even possible? A year on and this used GPU has almost doubled in price.

If anyone has suggestions for something that can still be found for a reasonable price I'm all ears.

Wow, that is fucked. I can still find RX480s/580s for around $120 or so...but then again that's on forums and in the US.

 

[Bussyking7]

Why do people hate scalpers so much? They're just doing God's work by arbitraging stuff to those who need it the most.

 

[Secret Asshole]

What the fuck is up with GPU prices right now? Even the used market is insane. I've been looking for a while for a budget card to pair with my old i7-4790 so I can play some newer games on setting above 720/low and all prices are through the roof.

Just watched a video from last year on the RX 480 and they were going for ~£100 used a year ago. Now most listings and sold prices are ~£170. How the fuck is that even possible? A year on and this used GPU has almost doubled in price.

If anyone has suggestions for something that can still be found for a reasonable price I'm all ears.

Because the GTX 2080 series is completely discontinued. Whit scalpers, its impossible to get a new card and miners typically go for the used market during new card releases. The problems with scalpers has exacerbated the problem.

 

[Kosher Dill]

I don't really understand the business model behind mining with GPUs. I took a look around on the mining subs on Reddit, and it seems like people will buy up like 50 GPUs to make a rig that will spit out $1000/month of crypto profit, more or less. But you have to pay like $20000+ just to get set up with all that hardware, so you're not going to make an overall profit for a couple years. And that's ignoring the constantly increasing requirements on hashrate. Do people actually make an appreciable amount of money doing this? What am I missing?

 

[A Weddell Seal]

What am I missing?

People are stupid.

 

[King Daddy Telomerase]

The reason why people talk shit about those cards is because they're essentially the same performance as a 1070.. for the same price as one used and has only 6GB of VRAM. My buddy who was in the market for a GPU said this about upgrading from the 1060 to 1660: "Oh wow, 1060 to 1070 in 2 years, what a steal!". They're debatably nothing cards for those that want 1070 performance but are afraid to hop on the used market.

Fair enough that it's not an upgrade, but for the same price why not buy the 1660s. I got mine for $220 last December, and used 1070 was never under $200, more like $250 for decent cooler ones. The VRAM difference should be meaningless for this level of card, plus there's lower power consumption, more OC room, and improved NVENC encoder if you care about that.

 

[A Cardboard Box]

Fair enough that it's not an upgrade, but for the same price why not buy the 1660s. I got mine for $220 last December, and used 1070 was never under $200, more like $250 for decent cooler ones. The VRAM difference should be meaningless for this level of card, plus there's lower power consumption, more OC room, and improved NVENC encoder if you care about that.

Why would you buy a 1660 last year when you had to know the 3000 series would be dropping soon?

Same for people buying 3000s, why would you buy a 3080 when the 3080ti is going to drop Q1?

 

[DNA_JACKED]

Why would you buy a 1660 last year when you had to know the 3000 series would be dropping soon?

Same for people buying 3000s, why would you buy a 3080 when the 3080ti is going to drop Q1?

Why would you buy the 3080ti next year when the 4000 series is only 18 months away? You can wait forever but you gotta buy something sooner or later.

I mean, imagine if he HAD waited. He would have gone 12-18 months without the 1660 super only to watch the 3000 series remain totally out of stock for 4+ months. And they haven't released a 3000 series in that price range and likely wont for another 4-6 months, assuming stock ever comes in.

Even buying a 2080ti in july, when we knew the 3000 series was inbound for october, would normally be a waste, but given the stock issues that guy with the 2080ti can play games, unlike those who sold their cards thinking theyd pick up a 3080.