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You just answered your own question. Aesthetics. Nothing more, nothing less.
GPUs & CPUs & Enthusiast hardware: Questions, Discussion and fanboy slap-fights - Nvidia & AMD & Intel - Separe but Equal. Intel rides in the back of the bus.
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How bad could a refurbished RX 6800 be?
Basically my advice is if you don't like current pricing, cheap out now and replace it with something better later.
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Well fuck me in the ass, all the 6800s in my area are either used or the price is jacked to $1000. I may need more options.
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I tried to cheap out 6700xt, then 7900xt and then finally 4070ti oc super. There's just no way around it. Wasted a ton of money.
There's nowhere to save money on a modern system (this year). I Should have stayed on my 1070 till the 4070ti 16gb released. The AMD drivers are not catching up.
There's nowhere to save money on a modern system (this year). I Should have stayed on my 1070 till the 4070ti 16gb released. The AMD drivers are not catching up.
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Not a bad idea, they could go even lower with a ~$160 used RX 5700 XT that wouldn't be the worst for a temporary situation, it can game decently at 1440p, and they can save up and wait for the perfect moment to get the big GPU.
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I will say this from just finishing my own rig: get what is right for you. For me, that was a 4070 super. I've had zero problems so far with anything I've thrown at it. If that means you wait and save for your good card, do it.
Also ask what you're going to be doing. Do you really need a 4090? Or would a 4070 do? Maybe a 4060 ti 16gb even? Really think about it and research if money is tight.
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For me personally, that is nightly backups to another machine and weekly backups to different portable drives, and the primary disks I use being in a ZFS mirror to ensure data integrity.
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If you are a current AM4 user, max it. If you are going into PC as a new user, AM5.
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i have found the optimal setup is 1tb nvme, 1tbssd and 1hdd. im still rocking my original blue wd. that thing is 10 years old and still works for storage
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Unless you're doing serious work where time is money or need the absolute best, I still think AM4 is the wiser "bang for buck" buy currently.
AM4's upgrade path made sense with old Ryzen that wasn't the best with gaming but was cheap, and V-Cache was a great addition at the end.
It's not the same with AM5, and CPUs are so good now that just plop one in and you're good for many years.
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Buying am5 is really only worth it if you need it or you live near a microcenter. Their am5 combos are pretty amazing.
Let me put my tinfoil hat on for a second.
CAMM2 modules will lead to RAM soldered onto the motherboards, apple style. Give it ten years.
CAMM2 modules will lead to RAM soldered onto the motherboards, apple style. Give it ten years.
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We're starting to see on-package RAM already. It costs more energy to move data than to compute with it, so finding ways to minimize losses in data movement is increasingly important.
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CAMM2 is explicitly designed to avoid that scenario. The problems with signal integrity and power consumption are what led us to soldered on RAM in the first place and CAMM2 is the compromise.
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Ultimately, most memory or a usable chunk of it will be added directly inside 3D CPUs (probably APUs) as big L4 caches that sit tens/hundreds of nanometers away from where it's needed. That will be completely irreplaceable (even soldered memory can be modded by skilled laborers). You could still have external memory even when using L4/memory-on-package. We can find this on the market today with Intel Xeon Max, which lets you use an HBM Only mode (64 GB) with no DDR5 DIMMs populated, or use the HBM as a separate tier or cache with DIMMs. Intel may be putting out some kind of L4 cache on the consumer market soon with "Adamantine", but it is delayed.
The signaling issues with SO-DIMM made it impractical to continue using it. It remains to be seen if CAMM will replace desktop DIMMs. As for soldered, a user-replaceable standard can reduce the amount of SKUs a manufacturer needs to offer. As long as CAMM doesn't run into a brick wall like SO-DIMM did, it will probably stick around.
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Xeon Max was an attempt to do something about 3D V-Cache, which is tearing up the HPC market. For simulation workloads, if your code isn't on GPUs, nothing beats an EPYC with V-Cache...including a Xeon Max. It turns out the interface can't actually handle the advertised 1.6 TB/s bandwidth. EPYC can't really deliver its advertised bandwidth, either, but with 12 channels DDR5 vs 4th/5th gen Xeon's 8, it still wins, even more so in real workloads with enhanced cache.
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Slightly more per channel. but pretty comparable.
The biggest difference isn't number of connections but rather the geometry. Memory speeds have gotten so high that even slight differences in trace lengths are causing bus signals to arrive out of sync with each other (necessitating either artificially elongated traces or complicated circuitry for synchronization) and having to propagate high frequency signals at right angles like DIMM does creates its own issues with reflection and parasitic capacitance.