GPUs & CPUs & Enthusiast hardware: Questions, Discussion and fanboy slap-fights - Nvidia & AMD & Intel - Separe but Equal. Intel rides in the back of the bus.

[TheRaptorJesus]

Are those 30 buck coolers as quiet and reliable as a Noctua?

You can fix the "reliability" of cheap tower coolers by changing the one moving part with a good part. But the fan will cost as much as the cooler.

 

[Just Some Other Guy]

You can fix the "reliability" of cheap tower coolers by changing the one moving part with a good part. But the fan will cost as much as the cooler.

Except the fans that come with the cheap cooler work fine.

We're in an age where high end air cooling can be had for relatively little money. Rejoice and spend the extra $90 on GPU/CPU/storage/hooker.

 

[Blue Miaplacidus]

Except the fans that come with the cheap cooler work fine.

Can confirm that I have no problems. I bought a PA 120 ~2 years ago when it was on sale for like 25$ because I wanted a cheap dual stack cooler for my secondary capture/storage PC and it worked so well I ended up replacing my D15 on my main. I don't know the exact dB measurements but it sounds quieter and definitely keeps everything cooler. The mounting hardware is nearly identical as well, it's good quality. For 25-30 USD whatever they cost, it's absolutely worth it.

I'm interested in this cheap lian li case (lancool 207) that GN mentioned recently, supposed to release at 80USD and it'll be a big upgrade for 2 of my machines that are in pretty shitty cases. I'd like to see the data when they benchmark it, but it looks really nice for a cheap case. I was going to buy some cheap montech cases to replace them, but if this is coming out in a month I think I'm going to wait.

 

[TheRaptorJesus]

Except the fans that come with the cheap cooler work fine.

People say the same about the cheap artic fans but I bought a 5 pack and they were annoying as fuck. I have a decade+ old nh-d14 with stock fans going strong.

 

[Just Some Other Guy]

People say the same about the cheap artic fans but I bought a 5 pack and they were annoying as fuck. I have a decade+ old nh-d14 with stock fans going strong.

Alright. Plenty of people have decade old cheap ball bearing fans running fine.

Lots of reviews for TR coolers out there. No issues mentioned with their fans. Runs quieter than noct.

 

[The Mass Shooter Ron Soye]

Intel 13th & 14th Gen CPU Instability Issues Concern Motherboard Manufacturers, Claims It Will Put Arrow Lake’s Release At Stake

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[The Ugly One]

Intel 13th & 14th Gen CPU Instability Issues Concern Motherboard Manufacturers, Claims It Will Put Arrow Lake’s Release At Stake
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Intel: Here are the power guidelines for our CPUs
MSI & ASUS: We will ignore these and not test our hardware
customers: wtf the chips act weird
MSI & ASUS: yes we are blowing past the specified power limits
Intel: Here are the power guidelines for our CPUs, in bold print, and with testing data to back them up
MSI & ASUS: wow intel you really fucked us over

Joking aside, there is in fact a lesson here - not only is RTFM a poor strategy for dealing with end users, it doesn't even work on your OEMs and business partners. There was enough safety factor in the chips prior to Totally Not Alder Lake Again that manufacturers could pretty much ignore the rated limits and push things to the edge. Now, the rated limits are the edge. That caught manufacturers unawares. It might sound like I'm blaming the motherboard manufacturers, but I'm not really. You have to design products for how your customers actually behave, not for how you'd like them to behave. Intel knew a number of OEMs were going way past factory settings, and they should have made sure before launch that either the chips had enough slack in the design to do what they'd done in the past, or that their major hardware partners understood that this time around, no, you can't shove more juice through the silicon than what the spec sheet says.



TBH what I learned from all this is that don't buy an ULTRA MEGAGAMER X-10K motherboard. Buy a normal motherboard for normal people that is running the CPU to spec. And maybe avoid MSI completely, because it looks like their Ryzen motherboards are shit, too.

 

[WULULULULU]

And maybe avoid MSI completely, because it looks like their Ryzen motherboards are shit, too.

What the fuck, and I was prepared to order the MSI B650M Gaming Plus WIFI because of the price and VRM. What the fuck do I fall back to now?

EDIT: The disqus comments are giving me an aneurysm.

 

[Betonhaus]

Nothing. Back in ye olden days however brand mattered more. Nowadays outside of the occasional lemon or bios issue they all have their shit together. For a while I swear all my PC liked was gigabyte. But since then I've done all of the big brands with no consistent issues. Even had a Biostar that worked fine lol.

TBH what I learned from all this is that don't buy an ULTRA MEGAGAMER X-10K motherboard. Buy a normal motherboard for normal people that is running the CPU to spec. And maybe avoid MSI completely, because it looks like their Ryzen motherboards are shit, too.

Soo.... What brands or lines to get and what brands or lines to avoid?

 

[4090 Chad]

Soo.... What brands or lines to get and what brands or lines to avoid?

I feel like this is impossible to answer. There is ALWAYS some new shit with each vendor.... Asus had board blowing up AM5 chips at launch, Gigabyte had terrible security breach potential revealed in BIOS... etc. I would honestly just look for a vendor that has the best warranty support at this point.

 

[Betonhaus]

I feel like this is impossible to answer. There is ALWAYS some new shit with each vendor.... Asus had board blowing up AM5 chips at launch, Gigabyte had terrible security breach potential revealed in BIOS... etc. I would honestly just look for a vendor that has the best warranty support at this point.

Would good advice be to get a 1-2 year old board that has good recent reviews?

 

[indomitable snowman]

Seriously forget the d15 cooler and grab a peerless assassin from thermalright for $30-40. Better performance and put the money into something else.

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On my latest build for my NAS I first went with a peerless assassin. Unfortunately supermicro server boards have the socket at 90 degrees off from normal desktop sockets. (Allows
DIMMS to be parallel with airflow)

I had to buy a noctua and their extra mounting kit since it allows for mounting the cooler at different directions. So in that edge case a noctua was necessary.

 

[Carpenter Trout]

I have the following question:

what is this new sperging about ARM/ARM64 processors on Desktop/Laptop PCs all of the sudden? Everywhere I look there seems to be some sort of retarded slapfight between ARM/ARM64 Simps and x86 Simps.
Maybe it's just me.

I'd also stay away from ARM/ARM64, anyways:
https://www.qualcomm.com/news/relea...announces-strategic-cooperation-tencent-games
The ARM/ARM64 simps say "but intel also has backdoors" to which they need to be informed that Qualcomm is Chinese, is the biggest manufacturer of ARM/ARM64 processors and Tencent has some shares in it. This doesn't just glow, it's shining brighter than the sun.

Maybe it's because of all the ARM/ARM64 handhelds that have been flooding the market since 2016, maybe it's Microsoft announcing something about Windows 11 on ARM/ARM64, maybe it's the Chink Glowies wanting to fuck us all again, but I've noticed an increasing in ARM praise or ARM vs x86 discourse as of late. Can someone please explain me why?
I don't care for coding* and my youtube feed was flooded with videos such as "WHY ARM PROCESSORS ARE THE FUTURE DESPITE EXISTING SINCE '70s". I've had friends tell me that the ARM devices they used were hell to use due to ARM being ARM.

I understand the power-efficiency bit, but I also read that you need a layer of compatibility for x86 programs which increases the power input and lags, basically defeating the point, or something

Spoiler

* plus I despise the "fourth industrial revolution" and all it stands for, but this is so off topic, it goes outside the window.

 

[The Ugly One]

Maybe it's because of all the ARM/ARM64 handhelds that have been flooding the market since 2016, maybe it's Microsoft announcing something about Windows 11 on ARM/ARM64, maybe it's the Chink Glowies wanting to fuck us all again, but I've noticed an increasing in ARM praise or ARM vs x86 discourse as of late. Can someone please explain me why?

Because x86 CPUs are power hogs, and Arm is perceived as the much more power-efficient option, especially since Apple is making such effective use of it. There's not really any other reason.

I understand the power-efficiency bit, but I also read that you need a layer of compatibility for x86 programs which increases the power input and lags, basically defeating the point, or something

Running a program on something other than its native architecture always incurs a cost.

 

[Carpenter Trout]

Apple

lmao, really? they're building all this hype because of Apple?
damn they're retards.
Thanks for the explanation, I'm sure there's more to this but it's probably something very technical.

 

[TheRaptorJesus]

This isn't just a 13th and 14th gen issue, my 11900k has the same issues at stock setting. Just lock it to 4.8 all-core and disable the boosting.

 

[WULULULULU]

Gigabyte had terrible security breach potential revealed in BIOS

lol I dodged the bullet with the Aorus Elite AX. So now my choices for budget B650 are tied to the Asrock B650M-HDV/M.2 and that aforementioned MSI, any lower and I'll have to deal with shit mobos with ineffective VRM.

Mobo manufacturers needs to face the wall.

 

[Lone Wandering Courier]

Dunno if this is off topic, but what is this new sperging about ARM processors on Desktop/Laptop PCs all of the sudden? Everywhere I look there seems to be some sort of retarded slapfight between ARM Simps and x86 Simps.
Maybe it's just me.

I've been hearing it for years, probably over a decade at this point. People have been saying x86 is going to be irrelevant for ages and really nothing has changed. Windows 10 for ARM has existed for years and virtually nobody used it.

 

[DavidS877]

I've been hearing it for years, probably over a decade at this point. People have been saying x86 is going to be irrelevant for ages and really nothing has changed. Windows 10 for ARM has existed for years and virtually nobody used it.

Microsoft has been trying to make Windows on ARM a thing since Windows RT in 2011. This time for sure.

 

[Lone Wandering Courier]

Microsoft has been trying to make Windows on ARM a thing since Windows RT in 2011. This time for sure.

I am aware of that disaster, but I wasn't sure people here were going to count that and that's why I didn't directly bring it up. I guess I did imply it though.