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As far as I know all AM5 CPUs have 2 memory channels, so you should get full bandwidth with just 2 sticks.
GPUs & CPUs & Enthusiast hardware: Questions, Discussion and fanboy slap-fights - Nvidia & AMD & Intel - Separe but Equal. Intel rides in the back of the bus.
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Well that is sad since my current board is a ASrock. Haven't had problems yet, it was a pricy model, so I hope it wouldn't.
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So like, thanks to you guys and some others, I'm scaling back some of the bullshit high end stuff. Literally it seems like a whole bunch of marketing bullshit. GPU 4070 super is fine, doesn't matter which one so go for the cheapest, mobo...if it fits and has enough i/o then go for the cheapest from a brand I trust (never had issues with Gigabyte in 25 years so will stick with them).
Going higher end is throwing hundreds for the sake of 2 FPS, or a milisecond faster loading time. If you're running cyberpunk at 129 FPS on max everything, paying more to hit 132 isn't sensible.
Getting a Gainward GeForce RTX 4070 Super Ghost tomorrow, the rest later this week. I have some unused M.2 drives which will slot in fine (from when I upgraded my laptop), case is fine.
Cooling...I presume prefilled liquid is just for the RBG colours and pretty looks, Aircool is...fine?
Going higher end is throwing hundreds for the sake of 2 FPS, or a milisecond faster loading time. If you're running cyberpunk at 129 FPS on max everything, paying more to hit 132 isn't sensible.
Getting a Gainward GeForce RTX 4070 Super Ghost tomorrow, the rest later this week. I have some unused M.2 drives which will slot in fine (from when I upgraded my laptop), case is fine.
Cooling...I presume prefilled liquid is just for the RBG colours and pretty looks, Aircool is...fine?
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Correct, but the problem is that 8GB sticks don't have enough memory chips to fill the bandwidth, so 2x8 will have a big penalty.
I cannot find a video on it now, but I swear to fuck I saw this in a GN Ryzen 7000 video once.
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Liquid is nice because it reduces noise and can get you slightly longer boosts (since liquid takes time to heat up). For most chips though, a tower air cooler is more than sufficient. Especially since the 7800X3D isn't a very hot chip. I'd recommend grabbing a Peerless Assassin 120 SE for like $30.
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The difference between high end and low end (when high end doesn't just mean random LEDs and bullshit everywhere) is the likelihood of everything still working in a year. I bought a cheap shitbox case and motherboard for my previous machine, and 3 years later, half the USB ports were dead and the PSU was constantly squealing. Years and years ago, I bought cheap DIMMs that didn't even work out of the box. My new machine high end, and zero complaints after 2 years.
Air cool is fine. Liquid cool is neat if you're compiling encoding video or doing other CPU-heavy big boy work a lot. Doesn't matter a fig for games.
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I bought the Fractal Case years ago because I no like noise, so the only thing I'm splashing out on here (geddit?) is a Fractal pre-filled liquid thing. Also...I like RGBLTQQ lighting for pretty things. My soon-to-be-old rig had a big fat ugly Noctua in it.
So cheers autistic hivemind for helping me pick shit. total cost came in at 1900eur. Which ain't too bad. Could have got less RAM, and maybe a slower processor, but fuck it.
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Liquid cooling can be more stable because of water's thermal properties, but you won't see much of a difference for normal/gaming use cases. I personally like the idea that I don't have ANY hot air blowing around inside the case.
Also, I'm not going to bash you for buying shit that looks pretty or looks cool IF you comfortably have the money to blow on it. Dont splurge if you're pinching pennies. But if it's within your budget and you want it to look cool, then do you bro. It's your computer, you have to use and live with it on your desk.
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I am looking to replace the 3700X currently in my Asus XX570 Crosshair VIII Hero WiFi board with a 5800X3D but it has been a long time since I updated the BIOS (currently using v3601) and I need to update to the latest (v4805). I seem to remember that in some cases it is necessary to update version by version and not simply jump ahead to the latest. Is that still or was it ever in fact, truly necessary? OCN used to be a good source for such info but the site has gone to absolute shit since the mid 2010's.
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It's going to sit by my TV and be my main media centre and 'Xbox'. Shit arrives tomorrow, and I've gutted my Fractal R5 ready for it. I also found...a 1tb SSD hidden in there, 5TB of HDD, and a 512 GB 2.5"HDD, as well as some M.2 Drives...so I'm sorted for storage and something of my old build will be in there, so I can at least say it's 24 years old
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AMD Ryzen 9000 “Zen 5” & Ryzen 7000 “Zen 4” CPUs Manage To Bag Double-Digit Performance Gains With Windows 11 “24H2” Update
I think folx should aim to pay 100 USD for RAM. Which will probably get you 32 GB, maybe 64 GB with a good DDR4 deal. Maybe not in Europe. You can get autistic about speeds and timings but you are chasing small single-digit gains in many cases.
I'm guessing there's a single/dual-rank argument to be made here.
I think folx should aim to pay 100 USD for RAM. Which will probably get you 32 GB, maybe 64 GB with a good DDR4 deal. Maybe not in Europe. You can get autistic about speeds and timings but you are chasing small single-digit gains in many cases.
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I haven't heard about that being a thing in a long time. Though can't rule out I just haven't come across it. Your board has the capability to flash back to the previous BIOS if something is wrong?
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AMD processors lose a lot of performance if memory performance is below a certain limit, but they also gain a lot less from memory that outclasses that limit. For AM4 you should aim for DDR4-3200, for AM5 DDR5-6000. In either case you can go higher, which entails a fabric overclock, and performance gain can be significant, but fabric is pretty much always the limit rather than memory/motherboard, like on Intel, and it's pretty much a hard cap rather than just diminishing returns. You could also just go for an X3D processor, in which case memory speed basically doesn't matter and you can just run cheapo OEM DIMMs at JEDEC with no noticeable impact on performance.
I personally wouldn't build a gaming PC with less than 32GB nowadays. It's not much more expensive than the bare minimum 16GB, but it will give you a lot more room to work with. Things like keeping browsers or other software open in the background while you game, without the OS having to swap out parts of the game because YouTube (which you're using to listen to music or whatever) suddenly shoves ten million URLs against your adblocker.
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I found these bizarre older dual-die server GPUs on Ebay for dirt-cheap: https://www.ebay.com/itm/285725311526
I am wondering if anybody here has one, and has gotten them to work in any capacity (not asking about performance, I know the answer to that question already.)
I am wondering if anybody here has one, and has gotten them to work in any capacity (not asking about performance, I know the answer to that question already.)
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Looks like they may be going to a 16 GB minimum in M4 Mac Mini, while using 8 GB as the baseline for the M4 iPad Pro:
Apple may switch to 16GB of memory as default for new M4 series — test machines hint at a transition even on the base model
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that should be on the bios page itself. I know gigabyte has it for certain boards, best scroll through the whole list and check the versions since then in case it's not listed for every version since.
only real difference is slots and VRMs, for gaming most stuff should suffice. there's some difference between VRMs the lower you get, just compare the boards with what you need and what you're ok with paying for.
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Yes, there is a flashback feature in the BIOS. Worst case scenario I can finally justify a new PC better than the last one I built for my daughter. Which now that I think of it I built because I made a mistake updating her BIOS. I may be wrong, it was a few years ago before she graduated and I pounce on any excuse to build a new PC.
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Not that one specifically, but a friend of mine got one of those server GPUs to work by directing its output to his iGPU. There may have been a VM involved.
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He probably got a NVIDIA one, which are pretty easy to use that way via the Optimus utility (at least on Linux, no idea if this works on Windows or not.) AMD has AMD Switchable Graphics, but sadly this is windows-exclusive from what I can tell. If you look closely at the card though, you will notice that it has a single Mini-DisplayPort socket sitting behind the I/O shield. Perhaps that is usable, though I have no idea.
I am not too worried about display output though, since I plan on only using it for GPGPU compute anyways. I know AMD is terrible in this regard with their first-party compute software, but since RustiCL is now somewhat usable, any AMD GPU compatible with the Mesa's AMD Vulkan drivers should be able to use it (I have gotten this to work on a less-powerful AMD card as well.) I will probably just go ahead and buy one and report my experience anyhow.
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It works just fine with both AMD and Nvidia GPUs, I use it myself. All you need is a motherboard that supports it, which most should because as far as I can tell it's implemented in the AGESA/IME, and of course a CPU with an integrated GPU (non-K Intels, all AMD Gs, or AMD zen4/zen5.
Go into your BIOS and look for a setting called something like "HybridGraphics", set it to True. It'll work the same way graphics on laptops work, default output is handled by the iGPU but specific tasks, like games, will use the dGPU. With most games this is automatic, but some older titles require you to set an environment variable. I've no idea how you'd do that on Windows, but on Linux it's as simple as adding DRI_PRIME=PCIe address of the GPU you want to use in front of the launch command of the game. Like on Steam I put "DRI_PRIME=pci-0000_01_00_0 %command%" as the launch argument for games that won't use the dGPU automatically.