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The Chinesium PSU in my NUC died. My 286 ran for a decade. Everything in the modern world is crap.
GPUs & CPUs & Enthusiast hardware: Questions, Discussion and fanboy slap-fights - Nvidia & AMD & Intel - Separe but Equal. Intel rides in the back of the bus.
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I only ever buy either old shit off of ebay or enterprise-grade hardware now because of this.
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Gamers Nexus' documentary on the future of Intel is out:
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I'm at the point of commiting to a new server build, and I want to know what people's thoughts are of the following:
CPU/MOBO/RAM: JINGSHA X99 Motherboard with XEON E5 2696 V3 and DDR3 4*16GB=64GB 1600MHz ECC REG RAM
Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 Black Edition 42 CFM CPU Cooler (something cheap, quiet, and keeps it cool)
OS Drive: Western Digital Black SN770 500 GB (Something that will be reliable and fast)
Case: Antec P101 Silent ATX Mid Tower Case (want at least 8 3.5" hdd bays)
PSU: Corsair RM850x (2021) 850 W 80+ Gold (should have some overhead for a potential newer gpu for the Windows VM)
Already owned:
Nvidia Quadro p400 (for Windows VM to run apps like Solidworks)
Intel Arc a310: video transcoding and AI
2x 14tb sata drives
1tb sata ssd (for downloads/working directory
to purchase later:
+4 M.2 NVMe SSD to PCIE Adapter Card
200+gb m.2 for windows vm
new 1tb+ m.2 for downloads and workign directory
more powerful gpu for Windows vm
CPU/MOBO/RAM: JINGSHA X99 Motherboard with XEON E5 2696 V3 and DDR3 4*16GB=64GB 1600MHz ECC REG RAM
Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 Black Edition 42 CFM CPU Cooler (something cheap, quiet, and keeps it cool)
OS Drive: Western Digital Black SN770 500 GB (Something that will be reliable and fast)
Case: Antec P101 Silent ATX Mid Tower Case (want at least 8 3.5" hdd bays)
PSU: Corsair RM850x (2021) 850 W 80+ Gold (should have some overhead for a potential newer gpu for the Windows VM)
Already owned:
Nvidia Quadro p400 (for Windows VM to run apps like Solidworks)
Intel Arc a310: video transcoding and AI
2x 14tb sata drives
1tb sata ssd (for downloads/working directory
to purchase later:
+4 M.2 NVMe SSD to PCIE Adapter Card
200+gb m.2 for windows vm
new 1tb+ m.2 for downloads and workign directory
more powerful gpu for Windows vm
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well how about this then?
PCPartPicker Part List
CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 5500 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor ($107.10 @ Amazon Canada)
Motherboard: ASRock B550 PG Riptide ATX AM4 Motherboard ($141.60 @ Amazon Canada)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 32 GB (4 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 CL18 Memory ($117.99 @ Amazon Canada)
Storage: Western Digital Black SN770 500 GB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive ($64.97 @ Newegg Canada)
Storage: TEAMGROUP MP33 1 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 3.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive ($74.97 @ Newegg Canada)
Case: Cooler Master N400 ATX Mid Tower Case ($119.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Power Supply: MSI MAG A650GL 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply ($95.31 @ Amazon Canada)
Total: $721.93
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2024-09-28 19:17 EDT-0400
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it's an dirt cheap 18 core cpu with 36 threads, massive overkill for a personal use server, too slow singlecore for gaming; but pretty good deal for a workstation or encode box.
that looks better, B450 boards are a far better deal than B550s when you can find them, but bios support is iffy, and they lack pcie 4.0,, which doesnt really matter. If you ever plan on upgraded I would recommend making the jump to AM5, as AM4 is dead.
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I realized that motherboard disabled half the sata ports when the m.2 slots are used so here's a revision:
PCPartPicker Part List
CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 5500 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor ($107.10 @ Amazon Canada)
Motherboard: MSI PRO B550M-VC WIFI Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard ($169.99 @ Amazon Canada)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 32 GB (4 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 CL18 Memory ($117.99 @ Amazon Canada)
Storage: Western Digital Black SN770 500 GB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive ($64.97 @ Newegg Canada)
Storage: TEAMGROUP MP33 1 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 3.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive ($74.97 @ Newegg Canada)
Case: Antec P101 Silent ATX Mid Tower Case ($132.99 @ PC-Canada)
Power Supply: MSI MAG A650GL 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply ($95.31 @ Amazon Canada)
Total: $763.32
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2024-09-28 19:32 EDT-0400
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nothing should ever disable the top nvme m.2 slot, with these AMD southbridges it's only the secondary slower m.2 further below if the motherboard has that, or the bottom 4x slot that has to choose between life and death with half the sata ports.
if you need that many sata drives along with dual m.2 drives I am not sure what you can do. AM4/AM5 only have 24 pcie lanes. That means 2x m.2 drives and 4x sata drives tops. You need to use USB or a pcie 1x Sata Card to get more storage lanes.
if you need that many sata drives along with dual m.2 drives I am not sure what you can do. AM4/AM5 only have 24 pcie lanes. That means 2x m.2 drives and 4x sata drives tops. You need to use USB or a pcie 1x Sata Card to get more storage lanes.
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Generally I just want the following configuration:
- Cpu that is more powerful then my current xeon 1220 v3. I currently do not perform any tasks that strain it, but I wanted to put a homeassistant vm on it, and optionally a windows VM that can handle 3d modelling software and possibly games. The windows VM is an optional nice to have
- More ram then the 16gb on my current server as it's starting to get maxed out a little
- A nvme OS drive (at least 256gb, preferably 500+ GB) that is fast and reliable
- A second nvme working drive (at least 1tb) that can be used to download torrents and nzb downloads, and process them before importing to the storage pool
- Enough PCIe slots to connect my Intel Arc a310, a four-drive m.2 adapter for future expansion use, and optionally a second GPU such as my Quadro p400 for windows VM use
- 4-8 SATA III ports that I can plug the storage pool drives to.
- A power supply that will handle my needs and a potential bigger GPU for the windows VM, while being reliable and trustworthy. Preferably modular or semi-modular to improve cable management.
I admittedly don't want to go too far into feature creep and get something expensive and underutilized, but these minimum requirements would be ideal.
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having read your ideals for this new machine, if you are willing to forgo a second gpu; the proposed Ryzen am4 setup can work since I presume you will be using the onboard ethernet. Just get a PCIe 1x Sata card when 4x Sata Drives ceases to be enough.
HEDT motherboards with gobs of pcie lanes for all the storage you could want is kinda dead for affordable machines unless you are willing to do as you did before, buy old old stuff like Xeon or Threadripper. What you originally found with the Xeon would work and is by far the cheapest way to get that, but it is very inefficient and old. DDR3 era system is not a wise buy in 2024.
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Looking at the saved parts lists, the amd server would only be $150 more then the old server ($200 if I match the ram amount), but the performance difference will be noteable...
How hard would it be to let Windows use the Intel Arc GPU while still having jellyfin use it for transcoding and maybe get some AI use out of it?
How picky should I be about buying m.2 SSDs off Amazon or AliExpress? I do have a 500gb WD black in my old laptop I can put in the server instead of replacing the 256gb on my new laptop, but I'll need a 1tb m.2 or something as my 1tb SATA SSD is getting slow and overloads during big file transfers.
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I am wary of Asrock motherboards because for some reason their usb ports always die on me (had them with X58, X79, X470 chipsets). Don't know why, cheap msi and gigabyte motherboards with the same PSU and peripherals always last. Asus usb ports seem to last, but their motherboards are very cheaply made unless you go for a premium one.
Just make sure you enable ReBAR and pcie dmi power modes in the motherboard bios setting for your ARC card, though with an A310 latter power saving likely doesnt matter much..
Cannot say about Jellyfin or how it shares with Windows and ARC cards. Had media boxes in the past, but don't watch movies as much as I used to and just use USB flash drive when I want to watch something on the livingroom oled.
Just make sure you enable ReBAR and pcie dmi power modes in the motherboard bios setting for your ARC card, though with an A310 latter power saving likely doesnt matter much..
Cannot say about Jellyfin or how it shares with Windows and ARC cards. Had media boxes in the past, but don't watch movies as much as I used to and just use USB flash drive when I want to watch something on the livingroom oled.
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Looking closer, the Ryzen only beats the Xeon in single core processing and power efficiency, and the Xeon trounces the Ryzen in most other things. My workload is more like several small apps running at the same time instead of one big app, so the more cores are a bit more beneficial. The Ryzen is 50% faster in single core, but that won't make a visible difference in most cases.
I ended up buying the kit from AliExpress, the ssd case and PSU from Newegg, and two more 14tb drives from the same seller on eBay. My bank freaked out over the Newegg purchase but I was able to approve and try again.
To be honest the only reason why I hadn't upgraded my server before was that I had committed to SAS drives, and my server case required a proprietary PSU. Right now the cpu/mobo/ram combo is the cheapest part, so if I eventually upgrade I have the rest of the components invested already.
I ended up buying the kit from AliExpress, the ssd case and PSU from Newegg, and two more 14tb drives from the same seller on eBay. My bank freaked out over the Newegg purchase but I was able to approve and try again.
To be honest the only reason why I hadn't upgraded my server before was that I had committed to SAS drives, and my server case required a proprietary PSU. Right now the cpu/mobo/ram combo is the cheapest part, so if I eventually upgrade I have the rest of the components invested already.
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i should have clarified from an efficiency standpoint, they are dogs compared to a modern Ryzen or Intel cpu. Hey this is a thread of first world problems. And in the first world electricity bills make people seethe.
That said I advise against DDR3 era systems because when things get really old they start getting expensive again., I do not dislike old HEDT systems as a concept, you do you. Aliexpress Xeon is a good deal. Just make sure you get everything you want for ram now.
Ryzen and Intel Z/B/H chipsets is fine for normie game and web boxes, but if you need a lot of pcie lanes old Xeon is best.
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An off-brand Xeon mobo? Don't bother unless you're going to fill it up to the eyeballs with old cheap RDIMMs. Also I thought X99 was DDR4?
Make sure whatever you get that it supports PCI-E bifurcation for your M.2 breakout card. If it doesn't, you'll have to get something with a PCI-E switching chip, e.g. a tri-mode HBA and it'll end up more expensive than one of those breakout cards
If you dump PCI-E bifurcation as a requirement or find a workaround, then you should consider something lik a Dell T430 as it supports that gen of Xeon and can be had for pretty cheap.
Are your apps going to be loading the CPU down to 100%? The only benefit of that Xeon is it's 18 cores. If you aren't using all 18 cores, then those Ryzens are by the far the better choice. Especially as you don't have to get some weird chink motherboard to use them too.
I have a system with dual 2670 v3s and another with a Ryzen 3900X. Here's the Geekbench result from YABS for each:
VM with 2 cores
Running on the hypervisor (keeping in mind that it is competing with background usage from 5 guest VMs, baseline avg CPU usage is 0.2%)
Code:
Test | Value
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Single Core | 1836
Multi Core | 3263
Full Test | https://browser.geekbench.com/v6/cpu/8039322
Code:
Test | Value
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Single Core | 1767
Multi Core | 10479
Full Test | https://browser.geekbench.com/v6/cpu/8039513VM with 2 cores
Running on the hypervisor (keeping in mind that it is competing with background usage from 36 guest VMs, baseline avg CPU usage is 5%)
Code:
Test | Value
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Single Core | 894
Multi Core | 1610
Full Test | https://browser.geekbench.com/v6/cpu/8039526
Code:
Test | Value
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Single Core | 867
Multi Core | 8363
Full Test | https://browser.geekbench.com/v6/cpu/8039625- Joined
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I think the main benefit of the old Xeon is the entire package is $133. However, I wouldn't trust discount, off-brand parts to last more than a year. Generic stuff fails about 2x-3x as often as your Dells and HPEs. DIMMs tend to die first. For that price, seriously, buy two just to have backup parts.