GPUs & CPUs & Enthusiast hardware: Questions, Discussion and fanboy slap-fights - Nvidia & AMD & Intel - Separe but Equal. Intel rides in the back of the bus.

Betonhaus said:
Motherboard: MSI PRO B550M-VC WIFI Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard ($169.99 @ Amazon Canada)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 32 GB (4 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 CL18 Memory ($117.99 @ Amazon Canada)
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I highly recommend getting ECC UDIMMs. At least where I live I can get a stick of KSM32ED8/32HC for roughly the same price.
The default timings are very bad, but you can lower them a lot. I've got 4 sticks (should've gone with 2 in hindsight) at IIRC 3666MHz 17-20-20-38 @ 1.4v.
I probably could push it harder if I used only 2, and maybe got a new PSU too.

With ECC memory you will detect much sooner is some component is shitting itself. My previous PC would freeze at random times and I only realized my RAM became unstable (probably aging PSU) because I happened to have a disk with ZFS which was getting more and more checksum errors, and even then only when the amount of errors became ridiculous.

A big issue with non-ECC RAM is that corruption is entirely silent. If e.g. a HDD with a somewhat robust filesystem fails it's usually binary: you either have all your data or you lose all of it and need to restore from backup.
Silent corruption can go undetected and hence will eventually spread to your backups, ruining your backups too. Checksums help but will not catch everything since the data might already have been corrupted before you could calculate the checksum.

Of course you'll need a motherboard that supports ECC too. I have an ASRock one and according to dmesg it works fine. I've also seen corrected errors with edac-util -v but only very, very occasionally so far.
 
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While looking for a PSU I found out a nearby retailer sells 5950X for €280, free shipping.
I suppose it's worth the upgrade? (from a 5800X).
 
Betonhaus said:
looks like it is supposed to be ddr4, as the E5-2696 v3 does not support ddr3. so something here is funky, and it's too late to cancel so I'm out $200 for this.
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It'll work fine, Chinese sellers test out stuff before shipping. It's also very easy to return items on Aliexpress or get a partial refund if it arrived in bad shape
 
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While looking for a PSU I found out a nearby retailer sells 5950X for €280, free shipping.
I suppose it's worth the upgrade? (from a 5800X).
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Do you need 8 more cores? Otherwise I wold suggest just waiting.

If the 5800X is making you feel some type of way, you could also consider undervolting and overclocking it using the curve optimizer. Here are the values I'm using in Ryzen Master, which were mostly informed by a Linus Tech Tips forum post of all things.
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The CO Core values are offsets for setting the voltage. It goes down to -30 but it's very unlikely to be stable at that level, -25 was about my limit for stability but I chose -20 as it is almost 100% stable (one crash and it was after a month of uptime) and still good enough to keep thermals down. Cores 6 and 7 are the "best cores" for my CPU so that's why the offset is only -10 for them. You can see your best and 2nd best cores by expanding CCD 0 in the cores section of the main page.
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The "Boost Override CPU" value is basically the overclock. In this case 100 MHz, I could not get it higher than that without it shitting the bed sadly. Thankfully though with the undervolting, the CPU can boost longer without cooking itself, so you may see a noticeable performance improvement even with an anemic overclock. It's not night and day, but it's literally free performance waiting for you to spend an hour screwing around to get and you don't even have to fuck around in the BIOS to do it.

Ryzen Master comes with an automatic curve optimization tool, but I would not suggest using this as it basically spent an hour spinning its wheels, then configured a stupidly unstable undervolt that immediately crashed the system and wasted all that time.
Also pro tip: hit that "Validate Offset" button next to the CO mode whenever you make a change to an offset. It basically runs a short all-core stress test that'll quickly test your undervolt isn't wildly unstable.
 
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Leaded Gasoline said:
It'll work fine, Chinese sellers test out stuff before shipping. It's also very easy to return items on Aliexpress or get a partial refund if it arrived in bad shape
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it still seems odd as last i checked the 2696 is physically incompatible with ddr3, unless they are cheating somewhere.
 
Gigantic Penguin said:
While looking for a PSU I found out a nearby retailer sells 5950X for €280, free shipping.
I suppose it's worth the upgrade? (from a 5800X).
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Not a worthwhile upgrade unless you have some productivity software that will definitely use those extra cores.
 
Leaded Gasoline said:
It does support DDR3 according to Wikipedia
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well that's a relief. trying to find substitutes is a very, very slippery slope
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At least now i have a good standard base so when i do want to upgrade i just need a new mobo, cpu, ram, and possibly heatsink and i can still use the rest of the parts.
 
Shao Khan said:
the hate boner for amd from those hardware unboxed faggots is insane
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Yep. The zen 5 shit is so overblown. But it gets the clicks. Somehow more than Intel scamming their customers for the past 2 generations.

Going to lol when the Zen5 X3D chips come out (that gamers were going to wait for anyways) and have the improved gaming performance they were looking for.

Also wtf are people even going on about price gouging? Launch prices lower than 7XXX series. I love how GPUs can go up hundreds of dollars and people open their ass cheeks but CPUs at worse stay the same price even with inflation? "Oi! That's some dirty price gouging right there. It should be the same price as last gen even though that's an older product now!"
 
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Yep. The zen 5 shit is so overblown. But it gets the clicks. Somehow more than Intel scamming their customers for the past 2 generations.

Going to lol when the Zen5 X3D chips come out (that gamers were going to wait for anyways) and have the improved gaming performance they were looking for.

Also wtf are people even going on about price gouging? Launch prices lower than 7XXX series. I love how GPUs can go up hundreds of dollars and people open their ass cheeks but CPUs at worse stay the same price even with inflation? "Oi! That's some dirty price gouging right there. It should be the same price as last gen even though that's an older product now!"
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Me personally, I would only vent and ramble about local online stores putting retarded prices on GPUs, as if the GPUs make you coffee or go to work instead of you as an addition. The MSRPs aren't an issue here if we're talking AMD specifically. Just lemme play Starfield with FSR3 on Medium above 45fps, I ask of nothing more.
 
The Ugly One said:
It's worthwhile because having more cores is fucking cool.
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I mean that's why I opted for the 7950x instead of the 7800x3d.

Do I need to run docker containers while playing vidya? No.
Will I do it? You're goddamn right I will.
 
I've been watching a lot of PCIe 3 vs PCIe 4 comparisons, and honestly, if I wasn't told which was which, I doubt I could actually tell the difference between the two. I only say this because I built my (initial) $550 machine back in 2020 with a Ryzen 3 3200G + RX 570. I've since upgraded to a newer gen Ryzen 5 5600 + RX 580. I've been kind of paranoid upgrading my card to something newer (due to the support for the 580 shutting down) because of the previous gen. From what I've noticed, there's maybe a 5/10 frame drop between generations, and it looks like there's diminishing returns in a lot of modern titles. I don't think it would hurt me fully if I upgraded to a RX 6600 or a baseline 4060. I mean, my motherboard is running PCIe 3.0, but it's still running strong, and I'll probably use it until it falls apart.
 
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