GPUs & CPUs & Enthusiast hardware: Questions, Discussion and fanboy slap-fights - Nvidia & AMD & Intel - Separe but Equal. Intel rides in the back of the bus.

[Mark Robinson BussyLiquor]

So my Ryzen 8840HS can play Pal World at 60 FPS 1080p thanks to the new AMD Frame Gen! Fuck dGPUs. Fuck dGPUs in laptops, especially. Fuck them for their forty-five minute battery life. I hate them. I will get the RYZEN AI SUPER PRO MAX 390 WITH 40 GRAPHICAL CORES!!!!!!

 

[The Mass Shooter Ron Soye]

So my Ryzen 8840HS can play Pal World at 60 FPS 1080p thanks to the new AMD Frame Gen! Fuck dGPUs. Fuck dGPUs in laptops, especially. Fuck them for their forty-five minute battery life. I hate them. I will get the RYZEN AI SUPER PRO MAX 390 WITH 40 GRAPHICAL CORES!!!!!!

It's good that the cheap, mainstream APUs can do 1080p60 (with asterisks).

I was going to rant about Strix Halo for a moment but you said laptops. Laptops are what it's largely intended for and where it should shine. It's possible that Strix Halo can become cheaper than mobile APU + dGPU in laptops, but we'll have to see. Being made of chiplets, it shouldn't be too expensive for what it is.

But if it unexpectedly becomes an AI powerhouse able to run models well with up to 96 GB of virtual VRAM, maybe that will push the prices up.

Also, if the 8-core has 32 CUs and 256-bit, it could have a large % of the performance of 12/16-cores with the full 40 CUs.

 

[Smaug's Smokey Hole 2]

The RTX 3050 6GB has a bad reputation for cutting a large chunk of cores and performance from the RTX 3050 8GB, but it's mostly just down to a bad price, around $170-180 right now. If it was significantly cheaper it could be legendary.

Agree, the card isn't bad the price is bad. The 3050 6GB should be the $109($99 on sale) option or something close to that.

 

[Fcret]

Honey, wake up, new MLID vid with some leaks about 50-series pricing

If those prices are real, then we truly do live in an insane time. At this point, it makes the 40-series look like fantastic value.

 

[4090 Chad]

Honey, wake up, new MLID vid with some leaks about 50-series pricing

If those prices are real, then we truly do live in an insane time. At this point, it makes the 40-series look like fantastic value.

If we had a real government, the DOJ would be filing anti trust lawsuits against Nvidia ASAP. It’s a farce to pretend like AMD is a legit competitor in this space.

 

[Squishie PP]

If we had a real government, the DOJ would be filing anti trust lawsuits against Nvidia ASAP. It’s a farce to pretend like AMD is a legit competitor in this space.

If that happens, we get to see what Leather Jacket Man's dead man's switch looks like. It is already happening with Google, so it isn't entirely impossible.

 

[The Mass Shooter Ron Soye]

If those prices are real, then we truly do live in an insane time. At this point, it makes the 40-series look like fantastic value.

Before watching: I expect $2000 for 5090, but I guess 32 GB could drive that up. Don't know about 5080. Nvidia has some reasons to price high, such as not wanting to cannibalize any existing stock (although production is already ending on some cards), not wanting to devote wafers to products that aren't being sold for tens of thousands to OpenAI et al, and of course not having any semi-competition in the high-end from AMD this go around.

After: AMD should launch 9800X3D before Arrow Lake comes out so they can try to top charts in Arrow Lake's reviews.

Only the name and logo of the 7650 GRE are discussed here. I think official price drops would be more interesting than another weird China-first SKU, and I want to see if AMD does an RX 7400/7500 with Navi 33.

Nvidia can get away with anything they want to charge for the 5090. 32 GB of VRAM ensures it's going to be snapped up for AI purposes. I guess gaming performance will be anywhere from 25-50% higher than the 4090. I doubt they will go as high as $1500 for the 5080. The lower $1200 seems more likely to me.

Disappointing performance down the stack (such as 5070 being around 4070 Ti raster) could have been inferred from the leak back in June showing core/SM regressions for some dies.

If we had a real government, the DOJ would be filing anti trust lawsuits against Nvidia ASAP. It’s a farce to pretend like AMD is a legit competitor in this space.

The 4090 Chad fears the 5090 Titan.

 

[Smaug's Smokey Hole 2]

I finally decided to check if it was an old mind-ghost or if I accurately remembered that Nvidia held a contest where people would submit names for their TNT-series successor. I wasn't deranged! It was called "Name That Chip".

 

[WULULULULU]

The worst part is that no matter what, there will be people who will buy those cards at that exact value, so they will still profit regardless because of the Nvidia niggercattle.

 

[The Ugly One]

If we had a real government, the DOJ would be filing anti trust lawsuits against Nvidia ASAP.

They already are.

It’s a farce to pretend like AMD is a legit competitor in this space.

NVIDIA didn't make AMD release broken drivers, sleep on inferencing, or put too little memory bandwidth on the 6000 series, though.

 

[Overly Serious]

Honey, wake up, new MLID vid with some leaks about 50-series pricing

If those prices are real, then we truly do live in an insane time. At this point, it makes the 40-series look like fantastic value.

To save people some jumping around in the video:


"Ouch!" said the wallet. But personally that's kind of what I expected.

 

[WULULULULU]

To save people some jumping around in the video:
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"Ouch!" said the wallet. But personally that's kind of what I expected.

Also point out that a 5060 hasn't even been mentioned, which everyone should guess at this point: "How will Nvidia gimp the 5060?"

Reposting from the Linux thread:

To anyone who Overclocks + Undervolts a GPU in linux, what does GPU Voltage Offset mean in math terms? Like voltage of GPU - GPU Voltage offset? Using LACT for reference.
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[Pascal's Wagie]

People actually like motion blur? Gross.

Total Motion Blur Death. Total Temporal Anti-aliasing Death.

 

[Unstable Diffusion]

To save people some jumping around in the video:
1) $1999-$2499 for the RTX 5090 32GB
2) $1199-$1499 for the RTX 5080 16GB
3) $599-$599 for the RTX 5070 12GB
"Ouch!" said the wallet. But personally that's kind of what I expected.

Surely if I just wait a year or two or find some sale (maybe 10% or 20%) for the 5070, that would be a decent price, maybe? My PC is from 2019 and I just keep tabbing in and out of GPU and CPU news because I kinda desire a new PC: I believe I've mentioned this before in this thread, but at the same time I just have no guarantee use or requirement for it; though I do reason it in a way that even if it might be half my salary, a whole completely new PC is likely to last up to 7 years so it balances out.
I just don't know what to do because regardless of what I do it's just gonna be an upgrade in some way or another so I'm stuck in some sort of choice paralysis to the point where I think that it's better for me to embrace it.

 

[Post Reply]

Also point out that a 5060 hasn't even been mentioned, which everyone should guess at this point: "How will Nvidia gimp the 5060?"

They will give it the ultimate gimping by not releasing it. Why release products for poors anyway?

 

[Fapcop]

Surely if I just wait a year or two or find some sale (maybe 10% or 20%) for the 5070, that would be a decent price, maybe? My PC is from 2019 and I just keep tabbing in and out of GPU and CPU news because I kinda desire a new PC: I believe I've mentioned this before in this thread, but at the same time I just have no guarantee use or requirement for it; though I do reason it in a way that even if it might be half my salary, a whole completely new PC is likely to last up to 7 years so it balances out.
I just don't know what to do because regardless of what I do it's just gonna be an upgrade in some way or another so I'm stuck in some sort of choice paralysis to the point where I think that it's better for me to embrace it.

Idk, call me a sucker and a gimp for capitalism, but complaining about Nvidia GPU prices is some real soy boy-faggot communism shit.

Gamers are so fucking entitled.

“Five hundred dollars for mid-high end card?! They were 300$ a decade ago! What THEFT!”

So don’t fucking buy it, and prices may come down. Nvidia doesn’t OWE you shit.

Besides there’s no real reason to buy one. Any 3-5 year old card will do fine. Shit, an AMD card will do just fine.

I guarantee none of them can tell the difference anyways between a three year old card doing 80 fps in 1440p and a new card running 100 fps or 120 fps at the same resolution.

Or shit, telling the difference between running a game at 4K and 1440p on your below 30 inch monitor. I can barely tell the difference on my 80 inch TV.

Gamers have just gotten obsessed with consoooming. Pointless upgrades because of a minor 10% boost.

 

[N Space]

To save people some jumping around in the video:
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"Ouch!" said the wallet. But personally that's kind of what I expected.

Honestly speaking it feels like the era of decreasing fps per dollar is over and new gen hardware is just beefier and more efficient.

 

[Fcret]

Surely if I just wait a year or two or find some sale (maybe 10% or 20%) for the 5070, that would be a decent price, maybe? My PC is from 2019 and I just keep tabbing in and out of GPU and CPU news because I kinda desire a new PC: I believe I've mentioned this before in this thread, but at the same time I just have no guarantee use or requirement for it; though I do reason it in a way that even if it might be half my salary, a whole completely new PC is likely to last up to 7 years so it balances out.
I just don't know what to do because regardless of what I do it's just gonna be an upgrade in some way or another so I'm stuck in some sort of choice paralysis to the point where I think that it's better for me to embrace it.

waitfagging is never a winning option in PC shit. Sometimes you pick up a really good deal but you have to consider the opportunity cost of not having an up-to-date machine that can play the shit you want. The web is full of people in a constant state of irate waitfagging because GPUs are never 'good enough' or 'priced competitively' and it's not worth angsting so much about something that is a pretty minor expense in the grand scheme of things.

IMO set your budget, figure out which of the two GPU companies you want to buy from, and buy something in that budget. The only cards you might possibly want to wait on are RDNA4 but if AMD isn't an option for you anyway, I'd just buy a 4000-series now as nvidia has already cut production of the 4090, 4080, and 4070 Ti Super. The 4070 and 4070 Super will likely be next because they don't want a repeat situation where the glut of 3000-series cards on the market hurt early 4000-series sales.

Though if your current system is working fine for you, I wouldn't bother. There's no reason to buy a new PC if your current one is playing all the shit you want to play fine.

Also it's worth reiterating - PS5 Pro is around a very gimped 4070 in performance. The base PS5 is around a 2070. The most common cards on Steam are 3060, 4060, 4060 ti, 1660, and 1650. A current-gen midrange card or even a current-gen low-end card is going to remain viable for new releases for a while.

 

[The Mass Shooter Ron Soye]

Chimp out time:
Intel Says Arrow Lake Will Be 5% Slower In Gaming Versus AMD’s Ryzen 7000 “3D V-Cache” CPUs

This is from +9% P-core IPC and some minor clock speed regressions vs. 14th gen Raptor Lake Refresh.

 

[Betonhaus]

All the parts for my new server have arrived except for the motherboard/cpu/ram kit which is still stuck at passed customs :/ it's getting a little annoying, but it's supposed to arrive by the 17th I suppose