GPUs & CPUs & Enthusiast hardware: Questions, Discussion and fanboy slap-fights - Nvidia & AMD & Intel - Separe but Equal. Intel rides in the back of the bus.

[Fcret]

Just finished putting together a home theater PC with a 4060 and man.... it's so refreshing to work with a GPU that isn't some 3-slot monster and doesn't immediately heat my room by several degrees when I use it.

 

[Flaming Dumpster]

Just finished putting together a home theater PC with a 4060 and man.... it's so refreshing to work with a GPU that isn't some 3-slot monster and doesn't immediately heat my room by several degrees when I use it.

A home theater PC with a 4060? What's it doing that an integrated GPU couldn't do? Or do you have more money than sense?

 

[The Mass Shooter Ron Soye]

A home theater PC with a 4060? What's it doing that an integrated GPU couldn't do? Or do you have more money than sense?

Discussed here, looks like it will do some gaming too. I suggested getting a 75W card but the 4060 has much better performance and 8 GB VRAM at a pretty low TDP with single-slot designs. Though a search will bring up lots of headlines for GALAX's single-slot 4060 Ti 16GB.

The other thing that's nice about the 4060 is you can get it in a low-profile/SFF configuration and throw it in almost anything. I've even considered picking one up to build a small gaming/media PC to stick under my television when I don't feel like sitting at my desk.

 

[Fcret]

A home theater PC with a 4060? What's it doing that an integrated GPU couldn't do? Or do you have more money than sense?

I'm also re-using an F-sku CPU from a previous system in it so I need some kind of GPU.

But yes I do have more money than sense.

 

[The Mass Shooter Ron Soye]

Ex-Intel CEO Brian Krzanich gets a new job, igniting a massive backlash — new employer Cerence disables social media comments after blistering criticism (archive)
https://www.linkedin.com/posts/cerence_wearecerence-activity-7249053731835498498-1RDP/ (archive)

AMD’s next-gen Navi 44 GPU package said to be 29x29mm in size, smaller than Navi 23/33 (archive)

 

[Fcret]

Ex-Intel CEO Brian Krzanich gets a new job, igniting a massive backlash — new employer Cerence disables social media comments after blistering criticism (archive)
https://www.linkedin.com/posts/cerence_wearecerence-activity-7249053731835498498-1RDP/ (archive)

I'm glad that that public ire mostly seems to be centered on Krzanich rather than Gelsinger. Gelsinger has his faults sure, but he's not the reason why Intel is in the position it's in. That rot set in more than a decade ago when BK's business strategy turned out to be, "snub our biggest customer, overextend the company, make no advances in process nodes, simp for china, and cheat on my wife."

AMD’s next-gen Navi 44 GPU package said to be 29x29mm in size, smaller than Navi 23/33 (archive)

That's pretty encouraging tbh. Fairly strong indication of how dedicated to price-cutting they are. Definitely feels like another Polaris moment. My only real criticism is that them sitting on it until next year so they can sell more RDNA3 stock seems like a bad idea if they're trying to build marketshare.

 

[4090 Chad]

AMD’s next-gen Navi 44 GPU package said to be 29x29mm in size, smaller than Navi 23/33

There is the AMD we all know and love

 

[The Mass Shooter Ron Soye]

That's pretty encouraging tbh. Fairly strong indication of how dedicated to price-cutting they are. Definitely feels like another Polaris moment.

We'll see. Even with the silicon locked in, they can choose to do some interesting things with RDNA4, or disappointing things. The picture is becoming clearer but we need confirmation on some of these details. Like is Navi 44 128-bit or 192-bit, and closer to 30 or 40 CUs?

My only real criticism is that them sitting on it until next year so they can sell more RDNA3 stock seems like a bad idea if they're trying to build marketshare.

Fire sale them and all is forgiven. Also, the 7650 GRE could be AMD's way of dumping extra Navi 33 onto the Chinese market.

There is the AMD we all know and love

It's supposed to be on a TSMC N4 node (N4C?) instead of N6, and a 31% smaller package doesn't necessarily mean a 31% smaller die size (someone claimed previous packages had wasted space).

One leaker says 192-bit and 456 GB/s for Navi 44. If Navi 44 comes with 12 GB and can match a 6700 XT or 7700 XT, but with better raytracing, then it's not bad. Less exciting if it's 128-bit and 8 GB, but it comes down to pricing either way.

 

[Gerelatha]

I hope the 9950X3D has vcache on both CCDs otherwise Zen 5 is just looking like a disappointing writeoff

 

[WULULULULU]

What is more ironic is that the 7800X3D has either run out of stock or has gotten extremely expensive once Zen 5 fell flat on its face. So now future buyers are stuck with just the 9800X3D and other X3D variants.

 

[The Mass Shooter Ron Soye]

I hope the 9950X3D has vcache on both CCDs otherwise Zen 5 is just looking like a disappointing writeoff

I think they won't do it. However, they could soften the blow by keeping the clock speeds on both CCDs the same, making it a little easier to manage.

What is more ironic is that the 7800X3D has either run out of stock or has gotten extremely expensive once Zen 5 fell flat on its face. So now future buyers are stuck with just the 9800X3D and other X3D variants.

It's intentional, not ironic. Looks like a production cut.

The 9800X3D will probably raise clock speeds (at least turbo) by a few hundred MHz to look faster compared to the 7800X3D. So people who end up buying it for $400 instead of 7800X3D for $300 will feel a little better about it. A year later, cheap 9900X3Ds could look good if clock speeds end up the same on both CCDs.

If Zen 5 is cheaper to make than Zen 4, pricing could recover quickly.

 

[WULULULULU]

It's intentional, not ironic. Looks like a production cut.

The 9800X3D will probably raise clock speeds (at least turbo) by a few hundred MHz to look faster compared to the 7800X3D. So people who end up buying it for $400 instead of 7800X3D for $300 will feel a little better about it. A year later, cheap 9900X3Ds could look good if clock speeds end up the same on both CCDs.

If Zen 5 is cheaper to make than Zen 4, pricing could recover quickly.

Great, so if my 7800X3D finally dies due to time, I'm stuck with buying its retarded little brother.

 

[The Mass Shooter Ron Soye]

Great, so if my 7800X3D finally dies due to time, I'm stuck with buying its retarded little brother.

I don't see the 9800X3D being a worse option in any scenario. Maybe in efficiency sometimes. Most Zen 5 to Zen 4 performance regressions were probably a TDP thing or fixed with newer BIOS and OS patches.

Most 7800X3D owners will not kill their CPU and hopefully live to see a Zen 6 X3D on AM5 that is actually worth upgrading to.

 

[Gerelatha]

What is more ironic is that the 7800X3D has either run out of stock or has gotten extremely expensive once Zen 5 fell flat on its face. So now future buyers are stuck with just the 9800X3D and other X3D variants.

AMD has kind of shot themselves in the foot with the whole X3D thing, it doesn't make sense for gamers to go with non vcache chips, only the X900X SKUs make sense for production workloads

 

[Flaming Dumpster]

Great, so if my 7800X3D finally dies due to time, I'm stuck with buying its retarded little brother.

It shouldn't just die unless you're massively overvolting it. CPUs are generally the most reliable part. Personally I've never experienced a CPU failure with my home machines or anywhere I've worked. I've seen every other component die, even those LSI SAS HBAs have totally crapped out on me, but CPUs aren't a wear part the same way an SSD is and seem to have better quality manufacturing than the piece of shit DDR3 modules dying in my old servers.

Yeah I know, Intel 13th and 14th gen, but that's not the norm by a longshot and Intel are suffering thanks to it.

If you reckon you're somehow special and your CPU is going to kill itself sooner rather than later, maybe try undervolting it?

 

[The Mass Shooter Ron Soye]

AMD has kind of shot themselves in the foot with the whole X3D thing, it doesn't make sense for gamers to go with non vcache chips, only the X900X SKUs make sense for production workloads

And then budget gamers should fuck off to the older AM4 socket which is perfectly fine (especially 5700X3D at ~$200) or loot a cheap Intel system right out of some company's offices.

 

[The Ugly One]

"snub our biggest customer, overextend the company, make no advances in process nodes, simp for china, and cheat on my wife."

Don't forget, "redirect $300m fron R&D to diversity."

it doesn't make sense for gamers to go with non vcache chips

I don't think there is a desktop CPU on the market that becomes the bottleneck in current games below 100 fps.

 

[Overly Serious]

I don't think there is a desktop CPU on the market that becomes the bottleneck in current games below 100 fps.

Unfortunately PC gamers (or reviewers at least) have convinced themelves that 200fps is a desirable target.

Personally I've never seen going over 70fps actually make any meaningful difference in the games I play.

Spoiler

 

[WelperHelper99]

So I still have this i7 12700k, 32 gigs of ddr4, and a cooler from building my PC. The parts just accumulated. Also got a random case from a thrift store. Thinking of building a server tbh. Just load it with SSD's or hard drives for media storage. Put like a 4060 in it for the graphics. Thoughts?

 

[Fcret]

So I still have this i7 12700k, 32 gigs of ddr4, and a cooler from building my PC. The parts just accumulated. Also got a random case from a thrift store. Thinking of building a server tbh. Just load it with SSD's or hard drives for media storage. Put like a 4060 in it for the graphics. Thoughts?

What kind of workloads do you foresee needing the GPU for? Cause if it's just video encoding, you might be better off sticking with integrated graphics or grabbing an Arc card.