GPUs & CPUs & Enthusiast hardware: Questions, Discussion and fanboy slap-fights - Nvidia & AMD & Intel - Separe but Equal. Intel rides in the back of the bus.

Mister Fister said:
Welcome to the repeat of the collapse of the USSR, it isn't just PC parts but everything.
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Is there a thread already about Intel selling off it's chip design and fabs? This is insane, I don't believe the US would let this go through. It would literally just be TSM and Samsung left, right?
 
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Is there a thread already about Intel selling off it's chip design and fabs? This is insane, I don't believe the US would let this go through. It would literally just be TSM and Samsung left, right?
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Taiwan is literally impossible to invade because of TSMC. You know those fabs are rigged to blow if ever captured.
 
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Is there a thread already about Intel selling off it's chip design and fabs? This is insane, I don't believe the US would let this go through. It would literally just be TSM and Samsung left, right?
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Intel is considering splitting off its foundry and its chip design business ala what AMD did when it spun off GlobalFoundries. No one's in talks to buy it outright but TSMC is in talks to buy a 20% stake in it and possibly enter a cross-licensing deal where they share technology with Intel and Intel shares technology with them.

The situation is more that Intel has finally been put into a situation where it can't just brush off the other players in the industry and now has to cooperate with everyone else. TSMC, Samsung, and GF collaborate heavily on R&D and Intel has kinda been the odd one out and that's likely going to be the big change going forward.
 
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Intel principal engineer bemoans potential TSMC takeover, touts company's 18A tech advantage (archive)
Deleted post by Joseph Bonetti, Principal Engineering Program Manager at Intel Corporation: https://archive.ph/CAT5p

18A will save us!

I don't know what's going to happen with Intel but they are already paying TSMC a lot to make chips.

AMD Ryzen AI MAX 300 “Strix Halo” reviews are here (archive)

I haven't dived into these yet, but there are some interesting results at low TDPs, and you can play around with the amount of "VRAM" dedicated to the iGPU.

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8 GB VRAM is enough for all of these games, and RDR2 crashes with 8-16 GB RAM apparently. I was thinking that Strix Halo 32 GB gamers would dedicate 12 GB to the GPU, but 8-10 GB is probably fine at the 1080p/1440p resolutions it will be good for.
 
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The Mass Shooter Ron Soye said:
Intel principal engineer bemoans potential TSMC takeover, touts company's 18A tech advantage (archive)
Deleted post by Joseph Bonetti, Principal Engineering Program Manager at Intel Corporation: https://archive.ph/CAT5p

18A will save us!
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Maybe they'll actually test the Panther Lake chips for more than 90 minutes before shipping.

Seriously, though, Intel's board was told getting back to parity, then pulling ahead, would be insanely expensive. One thing I really hate about American quarter-focused capitalism is long-range planning is anathema. I've worked in big companies pretty much my whole career, and if there's one constant, it's that the people who call the shots expect that problems that took 15 years to create should be fixable in 6 quarters for basically no money.

I won't give too many details, but we had a certain large competitor who worked on a certain industry-changing assembly of products for well over a decade, while we sat on our hands because leadership was terrified of investing any capital in doing anything new lest it not turn into 4% quarterly growth within 2 years. It finally all came together after many false starts and difficulties, and they started raking in cash. Well, the board stamped its feet, and the CEO ordered us to do the same thing in 18 months.

Surprise, what we had in 18 months was a joke, and the CEO was big mad. People got fired over it who didn't deserve to get fired because they were ordered to build Rome in a day.
 
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The Mass Shooter Ron Soye said:
Intel principal engineer bemoans potential TSMC takeover, touts company's 18A tech advantage (archive)
Deleted post by Joseph Bonetti, Principal Engineering Program Manager at Intel Corporation: https://archive.ph/CAT5p

18A will save us!
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The new Xeons are quite impressive and have managed to staunch the bleeding in the enterprise market. But Intel is never going to be the same - they were untouchable for two decades and even if they manage to pull ahead again I don't think they can ever achieve the same total dominance they enjoyed in the past now that AMD has achieved brand recognition with consumers.
 
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Fcret said:
The new Xeons are quite impressive and have managed to staunch the bleeding in the enterprise market. But Intel is never going to be the same - they were untouchable for two decades and even if they manage to pull ahead again I don't think they can ever achieve the same total dominance they enjoyed in the past now that AMD has achieved brand recognition with consumers.
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intel won't ever enjoy a core 2 type lead unless AMD decides to put the radeon team on CPUs
 
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Hahahahaha. 1k for a 70 class card that in itself is more like a 60? Eat that slop up.
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GPU Enshittification ladies and gentlemen.

Looks like my plan has changed. For my friend I mentioned few pages ago, I'm planning to give my 6750XT once I get a 9070XT. B580s have become more expensive than the cost I paid for my 6750XT so that's out of the picture (I don't know if the B580 will play nice with a 5700X3D).
 
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Plays fine with a 4GB VRAM card to me. Obviously, not at some insane quality level, or ludicrous resolutions above even full HD.
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The crashes happened with low RAM, not VRAM. Manually setting 16-24 GB VRAM in the BIOS subtracts that from the shared memory total, leaving you with 8-16 GB RAM in a 32 GB model. Probably a driver issue causing the crash.


I'd say it's competitive with the Apple M4 Pro and RTX 4070/4060 Mobile, and probably at least 5060 Mobile when that comes out. Not necessarily better, and is getting steamrolled by the M4 Pro in some areas, but depends on what you're doing with it.

AFAICT every Strix Halo product will come with eight LPDDR5X memory packages (each is 32-bit, adding up to 256-bit). I think some products should use 6 GB packages to get to 48 GB, as a compromise between 32 GB and 64 GB. I don't know if AMD has disallowed that configuration or what. Meanwhile, every major new x86 gaming handheld should come with 24 GB minimum, for a 16 GB RAM + 8 GB VRAM split.
 
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Fcret said:
The new Xeons are quite impressive and have managed to staunch the bleeding in the enterprise market. But Intel is never going to be the same - they were untouchable for two decades and even if they manage to pull ahead again I don't think they can ever achieve the same total dominance they enjoyed in the past now that AMD has achieved brand recognition with consumers.
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In servers, the only things that matter are:
  1. Performance per dollar
  2. Performance per Watt
  3. Security
  4. Reliability
AMD's only advantages are in 1 & 2, and that's only because they use a 3rd-party foundry that's been ahead of Intel for a couple generations now. If Intel is actually getting its shit together with 18A and the new leadership manages to not fuck it up (tall order), there won't be a reason to buy an EPYC - datacenter consumers don't care about branding.

The winner at 3 & 4 is IBM Power, by the way, and they've got like a 3% market share, so that should tell you how much the first two matter.
 
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The Ugly One said:
it's that the people who call the shots expect that problems that took 15 years to create should be fixable in 6 quarters for basically no money
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Coupled with assholes who provide impossible timelines to those same people solely in hopes of getting a promotion at some point.

Being the one to try and implement these projects at such a fast pace while being questioned why it's not getting done sooner is exhausting.
 
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a 10% boost over their super counterpart, which also matches the core increase over next gen. also the next gen lacks whatever bullshit is needed to make the Arkham games, AC4, and other beloved early 2010s games look good. So there's even more reason to skip this gen.
 
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Get the rope Macaulay! said:
a 10% boost over their super counterpart, which also matches the core increase over next gen. also the next gen lacks whatever bullshit is needed to make the Arkham games, AC4, and other beloved early 2010s games look good. So there's even more reason to skip this gen.
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They don't make the 40 series any more. Just think of this new generation as basically 40 Ti Super Ultra Plus.
 
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Get the rope Macaulay! said:
a 10% boost over their super counterpart, which also matches the core increase over next gen. also the next gen lacks whatever bullshit is needed to make the Arkham games, AC4, and other beloved early 2010s games look good. So there's even more reason to skip this gen.
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I wish more tech reviewers had brought up the PhysX issue in their reviews.
 
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