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Tech Samson finds up to 11% drop (usually closer to Nvidia's stated 3-4%) with RTX 5080 Missing ROPs Edition, sometimes dropping it back to RTX 5070 Ti or 7900 XTX levels. He is skeptical of Nvidia's "less than 0.5%" units affected claim. Some of these will end up on the used market, and GPU-Z will report the full ROPs if you run it without a clean install of the Nvidia drivers.


Defective RTX 5080 takes up to 11% performance hit in gaming — Larger impact at higher resolutions

AMD’s Medusa Point “Zen 6” APUs Rumored To Ditch RDNA 4/RDNA 5 Architecture For RDNA 3.X (archive)

Chinaman says RDNA 3.5, or even RDNA 3.6 or something for next-gen APUs. We previously heard it will stay at 16 CUs. Memory speeds and cache(s) could be the most interesting aspects.
 
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So something happened with the 6600 I put in my parents new computer build I mentioned a week or so ago. Friday they said the screen went black out of nowhere, then turned off and on the computer, and the screen worked again, but it was slower and at a higher resolution. After going over and checking it this weekend it seems something happened to the GPU to make it just stop giving a signal, so when they restarted the computer it used the built in APU of the 9600X, which is why the resolution was different (no 125% scale) and why it wasn't as smooth as it seemed to be 30-45hz. Yet the HDMI was still plugged into the GPU.

After restarting the computer a few times again and checking all the bios and diagnostics screens (the 6600 always showed up in device manager) , it looks like the 6600 was recognized and it's back to normal where it was the past few weeks, but is this something I need to be concerned about? All the cords are plugged in correctly and it's never pushed to a point where it even needs to spin the GPU fans, really, since the Fractal Terra has so much ventilation. The drivers are updated with AMD Adrenaline which I know but it's just to make it easier for older people. It's a PowerColor 6600 Fighter so maybe it's just the worst chynesium but I've used the brand in the past without problems. I guess I'm just wondering is this something I need to be concerned about, and if so should I just return the GPU and go with something a bit more foolproof like a 3050?
 
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So something happened with the 6600 I put in my parents new computer build I mentioned a week or so ago. Friday they said the screen went black out of nowhere, then turned off and on the computer, and the screen worked again, but it was slower and at a higher resolution. After going over and checking it this weekend it seems something happened to the GPU to make it just stop giving a signal, so when they restarted the computer it used the built in APU of the 9600X, which is why the resolution was different (no 125% scale) and why it wasn't as smooth as it seemed to be 30-45hz. Yet the HDMI was still plugged into the GPU.

After restarting the computer a few times again and checking all the bios and diagnostics screens (the 6600 always showed up in device manager) , it looks like the 6600 was recognized and it's back to normal where it was the past few weeks, but is this something I need to be concerned about? All the cords are plugged in correctly and it's never pushed to a point where it even needs to spin the GPU fans, really, since the Fractal Terra has so much ventilation. The drivers are updated with AMD Adrenaline which I know but it's just to make it easier for older people. It's a PowerColor 6600 Fighter so maybe it's just the worst chynesium but I've used the brand in the past without problems. I guess I'm just wondering is this something I need to be concerned about, and if so should I just return the GPU and go with something a bit more foolproof like a 3050?
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What's the PSU? Is it a good quality model?
 
mandatorylurk said:
So something happened with the 6600 I put in my parents new computer build I mentioned a week or so ago. Friday they said the screen went black out of nowhere, then turned off and on the computer, and the screen worked again, but it was slower and at a higher resolution. After going over and checking it this weekend it seems something happened to the GPU to make it just stop giving a signal, so when they restarted the computer it used the built in APU of the 9600X, which is why the resolution was different (no 125% scale) and why it wasn't as smooth as it seemed to be 30-45hz. Yet the HDMI was still plugged into the GPU.

After restarting the computer a few times again and checking all the bios and diagnostics screens (the 6600 always showed up in device manager) , it looks like the 6600 was recognized and it's back to normal where it was the past few weeks, but is this something I need to be concerned about? All the cords are plugged in correctly and it's never pushed to a point where it even needs to spin the GPU fans, really, since the Fractal Terra has so much ventilation. The drivers are updated with AMD Adrenaline which I know but it's just to make it easier for older people. It's a PowerColor 6600 Fighter so maybe it's just the worst chynesium but I've used the brand in the past without problems. I guess I'm just wondering is this something I need to be concerned about, and if so should I just return the GPU and go with something a bit more foolproof like a 3050?
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Was this a new 6600? It could just be an issue with the power supply or it could just be intermittent.

tbh I wouldn't worry about it unless it happens again
 
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Are there any rumours about the Intel Arc C-series? the B580 is pretty good so i wonder what the C-series will bring
 
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Are there any rumours about the Intel Arc C-series? the B580 is pretty good so i wonder what the C-series will bring
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There was a rumor that Celestial dGPUs would be on the Intel 18A process node, which could be good or bad.



MSI unlaunches its “MSRP” cards, RTX 50 series get a price hike in official store (archive)


MLID said that even 5070 supply will be shit, here's at least one data point (a Zero) backing him up:
GeForce RTX 5070 launch in Sweden faces setback: large retailer confirms no incoming stock
 
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The Mass Shooter Ron Soye said:
Tech Samson finds up to 11% drop (usually closer to Nvidia's stated 3-4%) with RTX 5080 Missing ROPs Edition, sometimes dropping it back to RTX 5070 Ti or 7900 XTX levels
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it actually drops it down to 4080S you mean. AKA bad generation.
The Ugly One said:
A statistical tie with NVIDIA, the revolution we've been waiting for.
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AMD really should advertise how much stock it has too. Someone said they have triple the units ready for sale than NVIDIA has had since launch and thats just for the 9070. With scalpers being such an issue, its technically much cheaper for basically the same card with AMD
 
Several GeForce RTX 5070 Editions Listed On Retailer; Base And OC Editions Priced At MSRP Of $549

VASTARMOR launches Radeon RX 9070 Super Alloy Series: up to 3.1 GHz at AMD MSRP - Guess the country of origin.

AMD says Radeon RX 9000 series are optimized for UEFI-only systems (archive)

Minisforum intros Ryzen 9 7945HX3D MoDT motherboard at $599

AMD’s Radeon RX 9070 XT Reportedly Arriving With Significantly Better Inventory Compared To NVIDIA On Launch: Report Indicates 15 Times More Cards Than RTX 5070 (archive)

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5070 AKA 4070 STUPOR

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 5070 “Blackwell” Graphics Cards Review Roundup

TechPowerUp - Relative Performance - It's slightly faster than the 4070 Super.

Phoronix - Same as 4070 Super in geometric mean of all tests.

Tom's Hardware - Didn't include 4070 Super in tests. 4070 Ti is +5.5% raster at 1440p.


Virtually identical to 4070 Super, slightly faster at 4K.

NVIDIA says GeForce RTX 5070 Founders Edition won’t be available at launch
 
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Fcret said:
I can't wait for some tech schizo on /g/ to shit up the catalog because of this.
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Ah yes, the biggest Dunning-Kruger retard central on the Internet. I'll bet just about every retard that'll get mad at this already runs their OS in UEFI mode but they don't know shit about computers. The real evil is Secure Boot, that's how Microsoft wants you to use their special certs to get the OS running, but it's optional even in UEFI only mode. Remember that UEFI first released in 2006 and nowadays it has completely replaced BIOS, even though everyone still calls UEFI that when they're two separate firmwares. And if you run a system that still boots in legacy mode, chances are the OS that's running on it is too old to support the current GPU drivers either way, so it'll only be a real issue for maybe less than a dozen people.

Quick anecdote on how Secure Boot can fuck up booting: I couldn't boot in a Hyper-V VM because I enabled Secure Boot on it thinking it's UEFI mode, even though it's UEFI by default, and I couldn't boot into Windows 7 on my old PC because it also had Secure Boot enabled. In both cases disabling one setting made the system boot up perfectly fine in UEFI only mode.
 
The Mass Shooter Ron Soye said:
5070 AKA 4070 STUPOR

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 5070 “Blackwell” Graphics Cards Review Roundup

TechPowerUp - Relative Performance - It's slightly faster than the 4070 Super.

Phoronix - Same as 4070 Super in geometric mean of all tests.

Tom's Hardware - Didn't include 4070 Super in tests. 4070 Ti is +5.5% raster at 1440p.

Virtually identical to 4070 Super, slightly faster at 4K.
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So I take it that the 4070 super is now the new baseline for a system, since AMD basically made a clone?
 
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Ah yes, the biggest Dunning-Kruger retard central on the Internet. I'll bet just about every retard that'll get mad at this already runs their OS in UEFI mode but they don't know shit about computers. The real evil is Secure Boot, that's how Microsoft wants you to use their special certs to get the OS running, but it's optional even in UEFI only mode. Remember that UEFI first released in 2006 and nowadays it has completely replaced BIOS, even though everyone still calls UEFI that when they're two separate firmwares. And if you run a system that still boots in legacy mode, chances are the OS that's running on it is too old to support the current GPU drivers either way, so it'll only be a real issue for maybe less than a dozen people.

Quick anecdote on how Secure Boot can fuck up booting: I couldn't boot in a Hyper-V VM because I enabled Secure Boot on it thinking it's UEFI mode, even though it's UEFI by default, and I couldn't boot into Windows 7 on my old PC because it also had Secure Boot enabled. In both cases disabling one setting made the system boot up perfectly fine in UEFI only mode.
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SecureBoot is fine so long as it can be configured by the end-user (or whoever is doing the provisioning in an enterprise situation). The core of it is solid - check kernels and kernel-space drivers for signatures before running them.

The issue I have with it (and especially the issue back in the day) was Microsoft pushing it so you could effectively only boot Windows on the new PC you just bought. I think they absolutely had designs of doing that before mobile and SAAS came along and shifted their entire focus away from Windows.

And obviously, end-user configurability gets around the problem of users with baroque requirements like yours not being able to use their machines.

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So I take it that the 4070 super is now the new baseline for a system, since AMD basically made a clone?
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No, the baseline is whatever the current gen console equivalent is, which is roughly an RTX 2070 Super/RX 6700 as those are the 'closest' to what's in the PS5. For currently produced GPUs, that'd be the RTX 4060 and the RX 7600 XT.

4070 non-super is already substantially more powerful than a PS5 Pro so it's well above what I'd consider 'baseline.'
 
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