GPUs & CPUs & Enthusiast hardware: Questions, Discussion and fanboy slap-fights - Nvidia & AMD & Intel - Separe but Equal. Intel rides in the back of the bus.

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Betonhaus said:
MSI Trident 3 with a 1650 super and 10th gen i5
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You could do just a GPU upgrade to a low-end more recent GPU. An RX 7600 XT is $430 CAD new. AMD's 9060's should be releasing soon if you want to wait and see what they are like.

For Intel, they haven't made that many B580's and they have an issue reaching their advertised performance on older CPUs like you have.
 
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Bogan said:
You could do just a GPU upgrade to a low-end more recent GPU. An RX 7600 XT is $430 CAD new. AMD's 9060's should be releasing soon if you want to wait and see what they are like.

For Intel, they haven't made that many B580's and they have an issue reaching their advertised performance on older CPUs like you have.
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while technically possible I think it would be hard to find a GPU that fits in this case, and i'd have to check if the power cable is standard
 
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Betonhaus said:
it would be hard to find a GPU that fits in this case
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Betonhaus said:
and i'd have to check if the power cable is standard
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It almost certainly is, but it might be a six-pin rather than an eight pin. This is one of those situations where an adapter isn't advisable, they may not have dimensioned the cables and PSU with enough margin since this isn't really intended to be an upgradable product.
 
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Susanna said:
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It almost certainly is, but it might be a six-pin rather than an eight pin. This is one of those situations where an adapter isn't advisable, they may not have dimensioned the cables and PSU with enough margin since this isn't really intended to be an upgradable product.
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This is what it looks like on the inside, it'll be tricky to do any modifications

maybe this will fit, as it seems to be a 3060 12gb for a newer Trident, looking at mine closely it does look like it uses a 6 to 8 pin adapter for the power cable
 
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Welp, the rumor mill is talking about the "It Has the Correct Amount of VRAM Now, Super" models:

NVIDIA Is Reportedly Preparing For RTX 50 SUPER Lineup; GeForce RTX 5080 SUPER 24 GB & 5070 SUPER 18 GB Surface Online (archive)

5080 "needs" it because it's so expensive for just 16 GB, 5070 needs it to eliminate instances of 16 GB cards embarrassing it. The 128-bit 8 GB cards could really use 12 GB. I will laugh if we ever see a 96-bit 9 GB card, but it's not happening until next-gen (RTX 5050 8 GB GDDR6 is the expected low-end offering).
 
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The Mass Shooter Ron Soye said:
Welp, the rumor mill is talking about the "It Has the Correct Amount of VRAM Now, Super" models:

NVIDIA Is Reportedly Preparing For RTX 50 SUPER Lineup; GeForce RTX 5080 SUPER 24 GB & 5070 SUPER 18 GB Surface Online (archive)

5080 "needs" it because it's so expensive for just 16 GB, 5070 needs it to eliminate instances of 16 GB cards embarrassing it. The 128-bit 8 GB cards could really use 12 GB. I will laugh if we ever see a 96-bit 9 GB card, but it's not happening until next-gen (RTX 5050 8 GB GDDR6 is the expected low-end offering).
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Oh boy I can't wait for the $1600 5080 24GB Super Duper that still has less performance than the 4090.

It's funny to see the 3060 12GB still in demand 5 years after release.

I really don't think NVidia will make the 5050 an 8GB card. Entire series is a dead end.

Betonhaus said:
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while technically possible I think it would be hard to find a GPU that fits in this case, and i'd have to check if the power cable is standard
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Oh you have one of those OEM prebuilts that can't really be upgraded. I'd just take the extra cost hit and do a build with standard parts. Checking Ebay Canada there's used 3080s going for around CA$400, and i7 12700K's are about $170-$200.

I did a quick check and came up with the following:

CPU: Intel i7 12700K - $170-200 (used)
Cooler: Arctic Freezer 36 - $55
Motherboard: AsRock B760M Pro RS WiFi - $190
RAM: TeamGroup T-Force Vulcan 32GB 6000 CL30 - $120
SSD: Adata XPG Gammix S50 2TB - $135
GPU: RTX 3080/3080 Ti - $400-450 (used)
PSU: MSI MAG A750GL - $130
Case: Lian Li A3-mATX - $130

Total is about $1350 before shipping, which isn't terrible. I would avoid buying used 13th and 14th gen Intel CPUs since a lot of people probably dumped their broken ones on Ebay.
 
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The Mass Shooter Ron Soye said:
Here's the leak:
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 5060 Ti spec leak: 4608 CUDA and 16/8GB GDDR7, RTX 5050 with 2560 CUDA and 8GB GDDR6
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RTX 5060 uses GB206-250. 5050 would be a die below it. It doesn't appear to be a rebrand, although the core count matches the 4050 Laptop.
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I still have no idea why NVidia decided to go with GDDR7 over GDDR6 for the 5060 and Ti. It really has no benefits right? 12GB of GDDR6 would be better in pretty much every scenario.
 
Bogan said:
I still have no idea why NVidia decided to go with GDDR7 over GDDR6 for the 5060 and Ti. It really has no benefits right? 12GB of GDDR6 would be better in pretty much every scenario.
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I thought there was a chance it could help some of these potentially bandwidth starved 128-bit cards, if anything. The 5060 Ti 16 GB has only 5.9% more cores than the 4060 Ti 16 GB (4608/4352) but is about 17.6% faster at 1440p Ultra (no RT) according to Tom's Hardware. TDP is a little higher, 180W vs. 165W.

Meanwhile, the 5060 has 25% more cores than the 4060 (3840/3072). It's using the same die as the 5060 Ti unlike last time. So there may be a clearer benefit. Also, after milking 8 GB models, they can launch the Super Dupers with 12 GB on the same 128-bit bus whenever they feel like it.
 
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The Mass Shooter Ron Soye said:
I thought there was a chance it could help some of these potentially bandwidth starved 128-bit cards, if anything. The 5060 Ti 16 GB has only 5.9% more cores than the 4060 Ti 16 GB (4608/4352) but is about 17.6% faster at 1440p Ultra (no RT) according to Tom's Hardware. TDP is a little higher, 180W vs. 165W.

Meanwhile, the 5060 has 25% more cores than the 4060 (3840/3072). It's using the same die as the 5060 Ti unlike last time. So there may be a clearer benefit. Also, after milking 8 GB models, they can launch the Super Dupers with 12 GB on the same 128-bit bus whenever they feel like it.
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17.6% is on the higher end, HUB had it at 15% and was still below the 3080 and 4070. These are abysmal generational uplifts.

5060 performance is only going to be good for the types of people who only play comp multiplayer games at 1080p anyway.
 
Is the Intel Arc b580 and the ryzen 5600x a good combo? I just sold by 3050 and am looking to upgrade.
 
would there be any way to improve performance? I am only going with the b580 because it is the most affordable 12gb card in my area, besides a 3060 12gb, that would offer any performance boost from by 3050
 
With the same GPU/CPU pairing? Not really. You could also have a look at second-hand cards or see what the new AMD cards end up being.
 
Bogan said:
With the same GPU/CPU pairing? Not really. You could also have a look at second-hand cards or see what the new AMD cards end up being.
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I found a well priced 6700xt in my area, is that a better choice over the b580?
 
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