GPUs & CPUs & Enthusiast hardware: Questions, Discussion and fanboy slap-fights - Nvidia & AMD & Intel - Separe but Equal. Intel rides in the back of the bus.

[Ibanez RG 350EX]

It's supposed to be a myth that going to full liquid cooling doesn't change how hot the room becomes, but after going to a custom loop my room definitely doesn't get as hot anymore.

I'm pretty sure that would defy that laws of thermodynamics. Liquid cooling is just more effective at moving heat from one place to another - that energy all has to end up in the surrounding air regardless of the method used.

 

[Dawdler]

Lower temp on parts means they can use lower voltage to keep same stability.
It was usually tho that water cooling increased "warm feeling" in the room as it would produce a lot of warm air at head level instead of just hot air that would pool under the ceiling.

 

[Susanna]

Lower temp on parts means they can use lower voltage to keep same stability.
It was usually tho that water cooling increased "warm feeling" in the room as it would produce a lot of warm air at head level instead of just hot air that would pool under the ceiling.

Modern components will clock up to their thermal limit anyway, so in the end if your computer produces 500W of heat on air, it'll still produce 500W of heat on water, you'll just get more performance out of it at the same load.
Water making a room cooler would still be true if you're not saturating the components, though. If your computer goes from using 450W to using 420W to achieve the same work, that's 30W less heat.

 

[Bogan]

I'm pretty sure that would defy that laws of thermodynamics. Liquid cooling is just more effective at moving heat from one place to another - that energy all has to end up in the surrounding air regardless of the method used.

I think it's just cooler because the component temperature doesn't rise as much? And I have fewer exhaust fans so maybe the hot air pools inside the case slightly more than it used to.

I went from 4 to 1 exhaust fans, and my CPU/GPU temps dropped from 80/60 to 50/40.

 

[Bogan]

if your computer produces 500W of heat on air, it'll still produce 500W of heat on water, you'll just get more performance out of it at the same load.

I remember GN spoke about this briefly I think in a video with Gordon, and the point Steve made was that the performance difference was measurable but not noticeable.

 

[Gerelatha]

I could for sure see a further cut down GB202 5080ti with 24gb VRAM

 

[Bogan]

I could for sure see a further cut down GB202 5080ti with 24gb VRAM

If they made a hypothetical 5080Ti on GB202 I don't think there'd be enough production to make many of them. All the good dies are going to that $8000 96GB workstation card they announced. All the rest are being turned into 5090's.

I'd almost wager if they made another 80-class card it would be the same die but with a higher TDP and 20 or 24GB memory.

 

[The Mass Shooter Ron Soye]

I'd almost wager if they made another 80-class card it would be the same die but with a higher TDP and 20 or 24GB memory.

Yes, we taught you that last pa... no, nevermind, that was another frog avatar.

The Super Dupers will be very straightforward. I think the only surprises will be what they do with the 60 cards. Replacing the 5060 Ti 8GB with 12GB is probably a good idea but something tells me they won't.

 

[Bogan]

Yes, we taught you that last pa... no, nevermind, that was another frog avatar.

It's a TOAD.

The Super Dupers will be very straightforward. I think the only surprises will be what they do with the 60 cards. Replacing the 5060 Ti 8GB with 12GB is probably a good idea but something tells me they won't.

It's already too late to do anything with the 60-class cards. Best they could do is stop producing any more and release a 12GB variant later down the line. But again, they won't.

On the HUB Q&A that was posted yesterday they mentioned that an Australian retailer had sold zero 5060's to customers.

 

[The Mass Shooter Ron Soye]

It's already too late to do anything with the 60-class cards. Best they could do is stop producing any more and release a 12GB variant later down the line. But again, they won't.

On the HUB Q&A that was posted yesterday they mentioned that an Australian retailer had sold zero 5060's to customers.

Yeah, I listened to that video. I believe it was referring to only 5060 Ti 8GB. The 16GB has been positively received.

30 series proves that it's never too late for Nvidia to screw around with dies and configurations. That table lists four different variations each for the 3060 and 3060 Ti, such as the infamous 3060 8GB with lower bandwidth, or a 3060 Ti using GDDR6X, with three different dies used (GA106/104/103), and launches spanning from December 2020 to October 2022. Replacing 5060/5060 Ti 8GB with 12GB models should be easy, but it depends on enough 24Gb/3GB GDDR7 modules being available.

I bet they will produce a 12GB model, but probably only the 5060. Having 12GB and 16GB models of the 5060 Ti could hurt the 16GB's sales. Either way, they can continue to sell the 5060 8GB if they want, and the rumored 5050 8GB (GDDR6) below that.

 

[The Ugly One]

It's supposed to be a myth that going to full liquid cooling doesn't change how hot the room becomes, but after going to a custom loop my room definitely doesn't get as hot anymore. My power draw is usually around 550-600W total, but it's supposed to get up to 880W on full system load.

Materials have lower electrical resistance at lower temperatures, so your system should be more efficient and draw less overall power for the same performance if you keep it cool. But I don't think it should be large, like O(1%) per degree Celsius.

As for the AMD drivers, I just have to go off of what reviewers and commenters have to say about them. I know a few people with AMD 7000 cards and none of them have complained about any errors like that. But on average they're more likely to work than Intels.

Reviewers don't usually test 24-year-old games, and I would expect Intel's to be even less likely to work.

 

[Bogan]

Reviewers don't usually test 24-year-old games, and I would expect Intel's to be even less likely to work.

24 year old games maybe not. Tim from HUB did test his entire Steam library, but that was in July of 2024.

I also found this spreadsheet someone made 4 months ago with the B580.

There's also a GitHub page ran by Intel for tracking Arc issues with games.

Materials have lower electrical resistance at lower temperatures, so your system should be more efficient and draw less overall power for the same performance if you keep it cool. But I don't think it should be large, like O(1%) per degree Celsius.

I don't remember what my system power draw was before, but I changed the CPU at the same time as I went to water cooling so it's definitely higher power draw now than it was.

 

[Drael]

Out of curiosity, has anyone here attempted to extend a 20gb/s USB C cable before? I know by experience extending basic USB 3.0 with powered extenders can create USB nesting issues with some devices. I've used fiber cables for DP and HDMI before to extend the outputs a good 100+ feet without issue as such cables are readily available on Amazon. So I thought I'd look for a fiber solution for this, however this seems to fall into the category of elusive specialty cable because Amazon either doesn't sell such a thing, or the closest looking matches (10gb/s versions) have awful reviews.

I came across this website which seems to sell exactly what I want, but wanted to see if anyone here is more familiar with this before spending hundreds on a few cables.

I could for sure see a further cut down GB202 5080ti with 24gb VRAM

I may be misremembering, but did the 5600x3d come about through AMD stockpiling chiplets that didn't quite make the cut for being a 5700x3d/5800x3d? I want to say that's why there was a more limited quantity of that chip. But that thought did cross my mind with the possibility of them using what would be rejects for the 5090, if not just feeding the GB203 more juice as another user mentioned. However Nvidia reaches that point I still believe it'll be offensively priced when it does show up.

Yes, we taught you that last pa... no, nevermind, that was another frog avatar.

Are the frogs in the room with us right now?

 

[Bogan]

did the 5600x3d come about through AMD stockpiling chiplets that didn't quite make the cut for being a 5700x3d/5800x3d?

Yes.

I still believe it'll be offensively priced when it does show up.

I'm expecting a $1400 MSRP, and real retail price of $2400.

If a 5080Ti/Super was a defective GB202 die then I don't think the failure rate is high enough to make more of them than the number of 5090's. I could maybe see them just splitting a 5090 die in half, and it'd still be almost a 25% increase in Cuda cores over the 5080. But still slightly below what the 4090 had.

 

[The Ugly One]

I don't remember what my system power draw was before, but I changed the CPU at the same time as I went to water cooling so it's definitely higher power draw now than it was.

If you're drawing more power, you're ejecting more heat into the room. Anything else would violate the laws of thermodynamics. Personally, I capped my CPU at 160W and my GPU at 200W. I also can't fit a custom cooler in my case:

 

[Susanna]

If you're drawing more power, you're ejecting more heat into the room. Anything else would violate the laws of thermodynamics. Personally, I capped my CPU at 160W and my GPU at 200W. I also can't fit a custom cooler in my case:
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That is such a cringe case, though.

Still, they're pretty cool computers if you just put them in something less awful-looking. Personally I'm kind of interested in signing up for a Framework Desktop board, even though my 7950X+4090 offer objectively superior performance. There's just something very appealing about a strong APU.

 

[Smaug's Smokey Hole 2]

Personally, I capped my CPU at 160W and my GPU at 200W.

I went into the BIOS and dropped mine down from an X(105W) to a non-X(65W) just because I don't like the fans being audible. I think it cost me 200mhz.

That is such a cringe case, though.

Linus Tech Tips managed to cobble together a "compact" monstrosity that I really like the look of. It just needs a couple of non-functional knobs and button on the front and it would look like a nuclear receiver.

 

[The Ugly One]

That is such a cringe case, though.

Girls don't know what's cool. I turned off the skull for a while, but my K/D in Call of Duty went down, so now I have it lit orange.

 

[Susanna]

Linus Tech Tips managed to cobble together a "compact" monstrosity that I really like the look of. It just needs a couple of non-functional knobs and button on the front and it would look like a nuclear receiver.

If I get one of the Framework motherboards, I’ll probably stick it in my Xtia Slim. 3.6l console case, but it’s expandable if you feel like sticking expansion cards in it (not that the Framework really needs any, you’re getting that SBC in large part for its beefy iGPU and the vast quantities of speedy LPDDR5 soldered to it).

 

[The Ugly One]

If I get one of the Framework motherboards, I’ll probably stick it in my Xtia Slim. 3.6l console case, but it’s expandable if you feel like sticking expansion cards in it (not that the Framework really needs any, you’re getting that SBC in large part for its beefy iGPU and the vast quantities of speedy LPDDR5 soldered to it).
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no glowing skull, 0/10 for aesthetics