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Have you secured a hellstone to power the GPU?(Actual red devil 9070xt marketing paraphrased)

Red Devil AMD Radeon™ RX 9070 XT 16GB GDDR6 Limited Edition

Hellstone: Born from Darkness, Radiating Power​

Introducing Hellstone RGB lighting – forged in the fires of the underworld and inspired by the cradle of the rarest gems. The Red Devil Hellstone exudes the beauty of crystals and the raw power of the abyss. Its multi-faceted, gem-inspired design transforms light into an enchanting ambiance. This dazzling crystal draws attention and turns your PC into a masterpiece born from the depths of hell.
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harbringer883 said:
so your saying the b580 is a better choice?
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I'm saying both cards have positives and negatives. You just need to choose which things you would rather deal with.

But personally I would lean towards the B580.

The third option is to look at used 30-series cards. 3080's are selling at around the US$400. You do lose 2GB of VRAM though.
 
Mister Fister said:
Have you secured a hellstone to power the GPU?(Actual red devil 9070xt marketing paraphrased)
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It's lame but I want to see more of the old and retard GPU marketing with boxes showing buff cyborg men, big titty warrior women or what appears to be artistic nudes of ET.
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Make GPU Purchases Embarrassing Again!
 
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Smaug's Smokey Hole 2 said:
It's lame but I want to see more of the old and retard GPU marketing with boxes showing buff cyborg men, big titty warrior women or what appears to be artistic nudes of ET.

Make GPU Purchases Embarrassing Again!
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You're not going to see weird 90s 3D models anymore, but Yeston would at least put anime titties on a box, although I doubt you'd ever see them in a brick-and-mortar American retailer. You can be embarrassed later if the unthinkable happens and a woman peers at your rig. Though she may like the "Cute Pet" GPUs.

YESTON launches GeForce RTX 5070 Ti Sakura Atlantis ‘waifu’ GPU
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Note the placement of the power connector. It also has an "ocean smell". Gamers Nexus reviewed the 9070 XT version.

And here's what a Sapphire box looks 20 years later, China-exclusive:
Sapphire introduces white B650M PURE motherboard, matches Radeon RX 9070 PURE design
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Despite varying levels of Chinese censorship over the years, coomers may become a part of China's soft power push and plans for overseas expansion, at least in tariff-proof areas like digital video games.

AMD preparing Ryzen 9000G “Gorgon Point” and EPYC 4005 “Grado” for AM5 socket

Gorgon Point is the previously leaked refresh of Strix Point, with slightly higher clocks and probably 60 TOPs for the NPU. Just like 8000G desktop APUs technically used Hawk Point refresh instead of Phoenix, it sounds like that will happen again. This leak is also confirming the existence of AMD's presumably low-end ARM-based Sound Wave/Soundwave APU on an "FF5" socket.

An 8000G announcement at Computex would be earlier than expected. But if they don't, there's still the 9060 XT and other stuff.
 
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The Mass Shooter Ron Soye said:
You're not going to see weird 90s 3D models anymore, but Yeston would at least put anime titties on a box, although I doubt you'd ever see them in a brick-and-mortar American retailer. You can be embarrassed later if the unthinkable happens and a woman peers at your rig. Though she may like the "Cute Pet" GPUs.
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No woman can resist the power of the official YESTON x HYTE custom build!
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What's the difference between the mobile versions of the RTX 4060 & 4070, the ones installed in gaming laptops and mini PCs? I know the disparity between desktop and mobile versions can be huge, like a 40% drop in preformance on mobile versions and occasionally just being rebranded older models with some updates. At what point is it worth getting an external GPU dock with the money you would've spent on a computer with a mobile GPU?
 
Sooty Soot said:
What's the difference
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According to Techpowerup, the 4060 mobile is 11.61 TFLOPS, while desktop 4060 is 15.11 TFLOPS, so ~40% like you said.

The problem I've always heard is external docks give bad performance (not due to bandwidth but latency) so you get micro stuttering like back in the SLI days. Don't know if that's still true though.
 
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In my experience of using T430 with GTX 970 connected over ExpressCard adapter it was actually stuttering caused by lack of bandwidth (when driving internal screen).
It depended on the game, for example Borderlands 2 was working fine, but stuff like Deus Ex Mankind Divided was a stutter fest with large input lag. When playing games on monitor hooked up directly to the GPU there was no stuttering but there was still input lag in bandwidth starved games.

I'm pretty sure that modern docks have plenty of bandwidth to work fine, GPU docks are a gimmick in my opinion, unless you get a self contained unit with its own power supply. I would rather build a PC.
 
Sooty Soot said:
What's the difference between the mobile versions of the RTX 4060 & 4070, the ones installed in gaming laptops and mini PCs? I know the disparity between desktop and mobile versions can be huge, like a 40% drop in preformance on mobile versions and occasionally just being rebranded older models with some updates. At what point is it worth getting an external GPU dock with the money you would've spent on a computer with a mobile GPU?
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a gaming laptop is always going to be a significant compromise from a full fat desktop, external GPU enclosures are a bit of a joke in my opinion, honestly you’d just be better off getting a cheap laptop and a decent desktop, do you really need to “game on the go” that bad?
 
Sooty Soot said:
What's the difference between the mobile versions of the RTX 4060 & 4070, the ones installed in gaming laptops and mini PCs? I know the disparity between desktop and mobile versions can be huge, like a 40% drop in preformance on mobile versions and occasionally just being rebranded older models with some updates. At what point is it worth getting an external GPU dock with the money you would've spent on a computer with a mobile GPU?
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Not much of a difference the mobile version is slightly worse and has a hard voltage cap that stops gpu performance from improving past 90- 100w . In gaming they are basically the same with any differences in performance I can assume are due to weaker cpus in the laptops tested. I have a laptop 4060 but i don't have a desktop one so i cant test it myself, this video should answer your question. The best comparison though would be a g14 2023 laptop compared to an 8700g/4060 system as they are pretty much in parity in terms of cpu/gpu.
I can say that a laptop 4060 can play many games at 1600p low -medium or 1080 medium -high.
 
Give clocks if late. I've not read the thread in a while.

For reasons I won't power level about, I was thinking of buying a raspberry pi, messing about with it for a few weeks, putting Linux on it, making it a steam console for 720p gaming or Steam remote play. And then when I'm bored giving it to a family member as a retro machine or making it a NAS or something. If not a pi, maybe doing the old "cheap thinkcentre/optiplex with low profile GPU" thing.

To my surprise, the response was basically "Nah Dredd, don't waste your money. Just buy a cheap NUC from Amazon. They're way more powerful and functional than a pi for the same price. If you want to spend a bit more, get a Steam Deck, even if you just use it as a console."

It's a boring answer, but seems to be true. Lots of N150, N100, and a few N95 NUCs for under £200. I dont know how well Linux works on such machines given they're all Intel. They also don't have a glowing skull, so @The Ugly One wouldn't approve. I've seen mention you can't upgrade them or swap parts out, which might be a problem for drive space, but I'm not sure.

I don't see any Ryzen powered ones, and when I do they are a price bracket up at around £300+. I assume NUC is an intel term, or that AMD just doesn't make anything for this form factor.
 
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Judge Dredd said:
Give clocks if late. I've not read the thread in a while.

For reasons I won't power level about, I was thinking of buying a raspberry pi, messing about with it for a few weeks, putting Linux on it, making it a steam console for 720p gaming or Steam remote play. And then when I'm bored giving it to a family member as a retro machine or making it a NAS or something. If not a pi, maybe doing the old "cheap thinkcentre/optiplex with low profile GPU" thing.

To my surprise, the response was basically "Nah Dredd, don't waste your money. Just buy a cheap NUC from Amazon. They're way more powerful and functional than a pi for the same price. If you want to spend a bit more, get a Steam Deck, even if you just use it as a console."

It's a boring answer, but seems to be true. Lots of N150, N100, and a few N95 NUCs for under £200. I dont know how well Linux works on such machines given they're all Intel. They also don't have a glowing skull, so @The Ugly One wouldn't approve. I've seen mention you can't upgrade them or swap parts out, which might be a problem for drive space, but I'm not sure.

I don't see any Ryzen powered ones, and when I do they are a price bracket up at around £300+. I assume NUC is an intel term, or that AMD just doesn't make anything for this form factor.
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NUC is an Intel term. There are plenty of "AMD NUCs" out there, they're just not made by AMD or marketed as being NUCs. Beelink and Minisforum are good places to start. Normally what you get is an AMD laptop chip on a motherboard with a 100W PSU. Performance will be somewhere in between a mid-end desktop and a high-end laptop, thanks to the improved cooling. RAM is sometimes soldered LPDDR5, sometimes SODIMM, storage is usually small M.2 SSDs. SODIMMs and M.2s are upgradable, but for SSDs you're probably going to be limited in terms of how long an SSD will fit in the case.

If you just want a light computer to goof around with, consider just buying a used laptop. x86 and a few years old means Linux will run fine, and you'll get more performance than you would with an N100 board.
 
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