GPUs & CPUs & Enthusiast hardware: Questions, Discussion and fanboy slap-fights - Nvidia & AMD & Intel - Separe but Equal. Intel rides in the back of the bus.

[AmpleApricots]

If you have high resolution screens with high pixel density, the downsides of running the screen on a lower non-native resolution diminish further and further, as the screen has more "wiggling room" to interpolate without perceived quality loss. I was kind of skeptical of this myself first until I ended up trying it out and liking it so much mostly because my gay 30 year old computers apparently look just brilliant in 2k that I'll be an apple snob when it comes to monitors and basically never buy a lower PPI computer screen again. I was highly skeptical before but bring the 8k screens on I say now (as long as I also get 230-300+ PPI, I don't need an 8k screen as big as my living room wall) it doesn't really matter if the GPU can do it at the native resolution, it'll still look fine and for everything 2D GUI it's just brilliant.

Downside is, such screens ATM are either really small, or outrageously expensive. Or both.

Thanks. I got 11.408 consistently while under moderate load (but not heavy) , so I guess time to get a new one.

The SuperIO chips who give you the voltage reading are, in my testing experience compared with fancy multimeters who sometimes costed more than the computer, outrageously off the mark. I personally would not trust these voltage readings a whole lot and would rather interpret them as "best guesses". When I looked at different power supplies and what's in fashion these days when I bought mine, most SFX power supplies I saw have a single 12V rail (besides the really beefy ones) and DC-DC converters for all the other voltages which are usually not that important because most modern hardware does point-of-load regulation out of the +12V. (=converts the voltage from +12V to whatever it needs at the spot, a small wonder of modern electronics really and maybe one of the most important features that makes modern computers as we know them even really practically feasible) You'll rarely get any meaningful information from these DC-DC created rails and it's usually all about the +12V. A lot of faults here can be unearthed by sudden load shifts.

That said, your power supply is probably not the problem but bad house wiring, as @Smaug's Smokey Hole said. In case you can do nothing about that, a UPS should help. You can test this with an old style Incandescent light bulb connected to the socket your computer is normally plugged into while turning other hardware on around the house. Light bulb flickers or dims temporarily? There's your problem. That the power supply can't compensate this momentarily either means it's a really mediocre power supply or it's a bad problem and an electrician should have a look. You're basically overloading the power infrastructure of your house. Is the wiring particularly old? It actually really might go as far to be a potential fire hazard. The last thing you want is the wiring in your walls to be melting. These are fires that are almost impossible to put out.

 

[Smaug's Smokey Hole]

That said, your power supply is probably not the problem but bad house wiring, as @Smaug's Smokey Hole said. In case you can do nothing about that, a UPS should help.

Shit, I forgot about that because people usually don't have them in their homes but that's good advice. It's a battery backup but it also filters the current going through it so there won't be any spikes or dips. An APC one for personal use can probably be had for two hundo, but I recommend testing the computer/AC combo on different circuits(if that's what it is called) first just to see if that's the issue before committing to buying one. I also recommend checking if they can be bought locally instead of online, shipping can be a killer on those things.

 

[Darkholme's Dungeon]

Shit, I forgot about that because people usually don't have them in their homes but that's good advice. It's a battery backup but it also filters the current going through it so there won't be any spikes or dips. An APC one for personal use can probably be had for two hundo, but I recommend testing the computer/AC combo on different circuits(if that's what it is called) first just to see if that's the issue before committing to buying one. I also recommend checking if they can be bought locally instead of online, shipping can be a killer on those things.

It's probably a house wiring issue + PSU issue since it happens in different buildings. But also happens when other electronics (like ceiling fan) turns OFF.

 

[Judge Dredd]

If you do a solid AM4 build instead, a 5600 or 5800X3D might be sufficient for VR later. Shouldn't it be more GPU than CPU intensive?

Yes. It will also likely need a higher end gpu. There's no point is spurging for a high end gpu now as the next gen is coming out, and I won't be pushing the graphics in the mean time.

I've never heard of Valve Deckard until now. A quick search makes it sound like it will be standalone, not just wireless. Do you need a gaming PC for it?

No ...kind of.

There's a big rabbit hole to go down (I recommend the YouTube channel SadlyItsBradley since most other speculation cites his videos) but the short version is it will likely be stand alone, but also link to PC wirelessly and stream to the headset for bigger games.

You would put your old GPU in it?

No. I'm running a 1060 3gb. I could keep it if I wanted to penny pinch, but at a certain point this build/upgrade becomes pointless and I might as well just wait with what I have.

My plan is to go for a 6600. Like the PSU, I don't really consider it a loss since I'll get use of it now, and can re-use it on a newer system if I build one in a year or two.

Both Ryzen 5 series and Alder Lake run very hot.

I knew Alder Lake ran hot, I didn't know that about Ryzen though.

If you are strictly gaming and not doing seriously intensive workloads which would benefit for more cores, I recommend going with Alder Lake.

I was put off Alder Lake by all the technical problems people had early on along with the power consumption and heat problems. Even hearing that Windows 11 was needed to get it to work well. I assume that's fixed.

I was considering Alder Lake (12100) for the budget build for the reason you said. It's more than enough for modern games. My other main CPU intensive use is 1080p video editing as a hobby. My old Haswell CPU handles it well enough, so a 12100k should be more than capable. The 10100 is another option for budget, though I've not looked into it in depth yet.

Hey there, can you list your current full system specs to determine what you are working with?

My current build, or these hypothetical builds?

 

[Just Some Other Guy]

I didn't know that about Ryzen though.

Intels have been space heaters for a while now, but Ryzens have been more difficult to keep cool lately just because the CCX has such a small surface area that there's a limit on how much heat it can transfer to the spreader.

 

[Smaug's Smokey Hole]

Intel showed off "smooth sync", a FreeSync/G-Sync alternative that requires... nothing at all(except for an ARC GPU). What it does is blur/smooth over the tearing. It still looks wonky but it looks better than tearing.

 

[WULULULULU]

Also consider the cost of a CPU cooler. Both Ryzen 5 series and Alder Lake run very hot. I recommend an AIO cooler for them as they put out so much heat. A six core Alder lake or 6-8 core Ryzen will serve you very well. Either path is a good decision, just depends on what you're using it for to get best price-to-performance value.

Wait shit seriously? Christ so much for getting a 5800X3D and an air cooler. This has to be downtrodden news to me considering I might plan on getting myself one of those.

 

[Car Won't Crank]

Wait shit seriously? Christ so much for getting a 5800X3D and an air cooler. This has to be downtrodden news to me considering I might plan on getting myself one of those.

What kind of air cooler did you get? The ones that are basically giant radiators are pretty good like the Scythe Ninjas and Mugens.

 

[WULULULULU]

What kind of air cooler did you get? The ones that are basically giant radiators are pretty good like the Scythe Ninjas and Mugens.

Deepcool AK620, its in my plans.

 

[Smaug's Smokey Hole]

Matrox is BACK!

 

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Matrox is BACK!

Oh wow. They (had) another card, the C680, which did six DP displays from a single slot card, and they supported configurations where you ran two of them to run 12 screens. That's basically exactly what I need at home.

 

[AmpleApricots]

Matrox is BACK!

They were never gone. I still have a Parhelia, the AGP version. Expensive and way, way worse than what both nvidia and ATI offered at the time for the same price. That failure was what made Matrox step out of the whole gaming GPU competition. Probably a smart move, as they didn't get eaten alive like everyone else.

You don't have to go that far back to still find Matrox' own chipsets though. Their most recent cards with in-house chipset had PCIe 16x, support for up to 2560x1600 resolutions and displayport and all that modern jazz. Everything after that was just AMD rebrands. They were (are? Some retailers still sell them for what I wanna call "contractor prices") weird cards, only proprietary drivers for linux (that I guess probably don't work anymore on recent kernels) and no such modern amenities like in-Hardware video decoding, they did have OpenGL/DirectX support and all that stuff and support for Windows up to Windows 8 I think. Otherwise, not many cards that can drive up to eight screens, especially not at the maximum resolution at each output, especially not in the early-to-mid 10s. I was trying to hunt one down to poke around on it for a while for a realistic price but didn't have much luck.

There's somewhere an alternate universe where the PowerPC Amiga with matrox graphics chipset was the best you could get for your money, both for gaming and real time video editing. Sigh.

 

[Judge Dredd]

Sorry to bother kiwis again with what must seem to be more noob questions.

1. The 5600g is cheaper than other 5600 variants. Does it have noticeably worse performance?
2. I noticed B550m motherboards are way cheaper than ATX and ITX boards. At a glance they seem to have the same features. Is they're a reason they're so cheap? Any recommendations here would be appreciated.*
3. Power supply. Is there anything wrong with the Corsair RM series? Again, I want a modular PSU and these dominate the listings. They seem to review well. There are also NZXT PSUs listed locally for about the same price.

If it matters, I don't plan on overclocking my 5600. I might get a second hand 5800x3d in the future, but most likely the prices for Zen 4 will be down by then.

As for a more general comment. I've complained irl that, despite YouTubers claiming pricing of graphics cards has reached MSRP, the places I go don't seem to have got the memo. Turns out I wasn't crazy.

Same goes for DDR4 RAM. I keep hearing how g-skill and teamgroup ram is a bargain, but the prices for those brands is outrageous here, assuming it's in stock.

 

[Just Some Other Guy]

If I remember right, the 5600g performs more like a 3600 because of the igpu taking up resources.

Also Corsair rm series is fine. Though I usually avoid buying Corsair because I always feel like I'm paying extra for name. See what's available directly from seasonic/ super flower for fun.

 

[Zamak]

for all of you poorfags out there. i don't know why anyone would need 8 cores on a celeron or pentium considering it's gonna be bottlenecked by the eMMC storage cheap laptops usually ship with anyway.

 

[AmpleApricots]

for all of you poorfags out there. i don't know why anyone would need 8 cores on a celeron or pentium considering it's gonna be bottlenecked by the eMMC storage cheap laptops usually ship with anyway.

I love low-end shit and always get it to see how much I can get out of it. I've spend unreasonable amounts of money on low-end stuff, trust me. I even replaced the screen of my crappy netbook with a really high quality panel that costed a little more than the netbook just because I liked it that much. I'm that crazy and that's my reference on the topic.

I actually have no beef with eMMC storage in that kind of stuff and think it's decent enough if you don't try to edit GBs worth of movies. All modern OSes know how to utilize caching to the fullest extend anyways. I think the biggest problem with low-end stuff is always RAM and it gets severely crippled by it. Slow RAM, single-channel RAM, too little RAM... and usually all of the above. It's usually such a pity too because a little bit more effort to put better RAM in such things would go a long way to make them faster directly or more usable, since all the entry level SoCs are actually pretty decent these days if you don't need more. Hell, instead of soldering on the RAM, put down a socket. They don't want that though, because they don't want people to decide that their crappy netbook will be good for another four years with that additional RAM stick they bought. Instead they want them to buy the new one in 1 1/2 that will be a little bit better and all they can afford. And that's why you never believe a corporation when it says it cares about the environment. (or anything else besides profits, really)

Same with these 8 core chips. They'll get their 2 or 4 gigs of slowest possible RAM and that'll make the additional cores superfluous in most cases because there's no room to run the additional jobs in real life situations or they'll actually choke with the bandwidth and end up waiting a lot more than would be necessary with a decent RAM configuration. A pity because I bet it's actually gonna be a decent chip if it wasn't for that.

 

[Zamak]

Hell, instead of soldering on the RAM, put down a socket. They don't want that though, because they don't want people to decide that their crappy netbook will be good for another four years.

You actually can get some with socketed RAM. The best example I know is the HP Stream 14. Keep in mind that the CPU only supports up to 8GB though. Also the slot is only available on the 14 inch model (and 1366x768 at that screen size looks like garbage).

I've actually been thinking about buying a cheap "netbook" for quite a while as a Linux machine. I gotta admit, it's kinda crazy that you can get a semi-decent computer brand new for $200. I would get a classic ThinkPad like the x220 since it's a better value, but apparently it's pretty hard to take those machines apart and replace the thermal paste (and even with fresh paste they run hot from what I've heard).

 

[Car Won't Crank]

You actually can get some with socketed RAM. The best example I know is the HP Stream 14. Keep in mind that the CPU only supports up to 8GB though. Also the slot is only available on the 14 inch model (and 1366x768 at that screen size looks like garbage).

I've actually been thinking about buying a cheap "netbook" for quite a while as a Linux machine. I gotta admit, it's kinda crazy that you can get a semi-decent computer brand new for $200. I would get a classic ThinkPad like the x220 since it's a better value, but apparently it's pretty hard to take those machines apart and replace the thermal paste (and even with fresh paste they run hot from what I've heard).

Have you looked at the Walmart gateway laptops? There's one for around $350 that has a 4c i3 and a ssd. Seems to be a good cheapo laptop.

 

[DNA_JACKED]

Wait shit seriously? Christ so much for getting a 5800X3D and an air cooler. This has to be downtrodden news to me considering I might plan on getting myself one of those.

An air cooler is perfectly fine of a 5800x3d. I run my 5900x on a 120mm air cooler without issue. Granted its a REALLY good one, but im only hitting 68c on a 12 core 145 watt chip.

These chips hit 70c under load. It happens. People see that and go "ZOMG YOU NEED WATER" no you dont. Unless you are running the highest end stuff you dont need water.

 

[AmpleApricots]

ThinkPad like the x220

Dunno, It's 2022. I wouldn't want to bother with any mobile device that has a fan to be honest. Active cooling in a mobile device is just awkward. Everything mobile for me has to run cool enough that it can live with passive cooling or I don't really want it, because these times are just over for me. I know other people have other opinions and needs but that's just mine.

If one of these low end Notebooks really has a socket then color me surprised. I found it to be incredibly rare in recent ones. I got a very cheap 11" one "used" (not really but was sold as such by a company, my guess somebody just didn't like it and sent it back to them and judging by eBay these things usually have no resale value because they're absolutely trashed in 95% of the cases, I don't think I'd ever buy them used from a private person) and it's one of my favorite computers I ever owned. I replaced the crappy TN panel with a nice IPS one and it's very high DPI. (the panels are pretty much all standardized in format and connector these days so switching them out is easy) That notebook made me realize that I really like notebook-sized screens for long computer sessions (less neck and eye strain, and less tiring somehow) and made me get a similar sized screen for my desktop system, as crazy as that sounds.

It's got a celeron N4020 and that SoC pretty much sealed the deal for me in regards of ARMs ever replacing x86 for anything in the "proper", non-smart-device, PC world. It's just not gonna ever really happen, amongst many reasons that the ARM SoC manufacturers just simply don't seem to care for that market.

Now what I would really like is this notebook, just with an eink screen. I was thinking about finagling something myself and with 3D printing I'm confident enough I could get an eink screen in place but eink screens of the format required aren't very usable for computer work and I'd need support circuity I'm not sure I could fit in there. I used to own a 13.3" eink tablet and the screen was amazing. (a pity everything built around it was chinese/android crap, complete with exploitable kernel with no hopes of ever getting updated) Since then I'm salivating over owning a proper eink monitor but the prices are hard to justify.

These chips hit 70c under load. It happens

This, these chips literally don't care. They can sit idle at these temperatures and they'd still last you a lot longer than you're ever going to use them. People are way too crazy about trying to get their electronics down to body temperatures. As long as they don't literally overheat to the point that they shut themselves off it doesn't really hurt them in a meaningful manner in regards to the average time you're going to use them before retiring them.