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Asking a question, do you need a RAID card if you just want multiple drives but don't care about linking them up? Asking because my build is going to have a boot SSD, 1-2 M.2 drives, and might have a high capacity HDD (6-10 tb). This is just for a normal rig, not a server.

You’ll be fine as long as you have enough m2/Sata on the main board. Using a RAID card as HBA or buying a SATA card with a controller such as this - https://amzn.eu/d/2pIF72E (that’s the one I use) is used to get you more ports and not to manage an array, that is better done in software.

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My case is a Lenovo ThinkServer TS440, which has 8 hot-swap SAS drive bays connected to a RAID card. Very few motherboards have 8 sata ports (plus one for the OS and temporary downloads) and I can get used and tested 4TB SAS drives for half the price of used untested 4TB Sata drives.
The RAID card is needed to connect all of the drives to the motherboard, but I will be running it in JBOD or IT passthrough mode so the OS can see each individual drive and merge them into one folder by itself. I'm not using RAID, but by necessity I need a RAID card. I could get a basic SAS controller card, but I already have the RAID card.

For your system you'd only need raid if you wanted to mirror your data to a second drive for backup, but you'd be better suited using an OS-level data backup software as RAID mirrors need the drives to match.
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You basically never need a RAID card nowadays. They're obsolete, and it's better to let the operating system handle what they used to do. If you run out of SATA/SAS ports, though, you may need a HBA, which is an expansion card that adds more of those slots.
You probably don't need one. Three M.2 slots and four SATA ports are standard on motherboards now.
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You’ll be fine as long as you have enough m2/Sata on the main board. Using a RAID card as HBA or buying a SATA card with a controller such as this - https://amzn.eu/d/2pIF72E (that’s the one I use) is used to get you more ports and not to manage an array, that is better done in software.

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Ok lol I got a lot of answers at once lawl. Read all of them. Good. Might get the extra sata slots, since the case I'm thinking on has ENORMOUS space for expansion. Though that means I won't have USB C slots unless one of those pci-e USB cards can fit into a full sized slot, because the budget board I got doesn't have it. Decisions lol. But in any case, I should have enough Sata slots, 3 with a M.2 inserted, to get my drives in, plus the bluray drive because I like my blu rays and want to back some of that shit up

EDIT. It has one pci e slot, just not 2
 
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I do agree some people will get the most out of their MacBooks. But the people i see buying them most are college kids. Literally just to write papers. Sure is the battery life better? Yeah. But on a normie drone laptop you pick up from Walmart, messing with the power settings, you can get roughly 10 hours out of it if it's just being a work drone. Power has gotten better in X86 laptops.

Yeah, sure, if you dim the screen, fiddle with the BIOS, make sure to never have more than one browser tab open, disable this, shut down that, you can maybe stretch a Winx86 book to 8 hours. A Mac can run for 8 hours just being used normally. I can do office tasks, watch a webinar, do a Teams call, visualize simulation results, etc, and it goes all day. My Windows laptop couldn't do that for more than about 2 hours.

Nobody's telling you to run out and spend $2K you don't have on a laptop you can't afford. Honestly, you should probably just save up about $1000 get a PC already if you want one.
 
Yeah, sure, if you dim the screen, fiddle with the BIOS, make sure to never have more than one browser tab open, disable this, shut down that, you can maybe stretch a Winx86 book to 8 hours. A Mac can run for 8 hours just being used normally. I can do office tasks, watch a webinar, do a Teams call, visualize simulation results, etc, and it goes all day. My Windows laptop couldn't do that for more than about 2 hours.

Nobody's telling you to run out and spend $2K you don't have on a laptop you can't afford. Honestly, you should probably just save up about $1000 get a PC already if you want one.
The thing is with my PC build, I'm halfway there, got too many parts to stop now and buy a pre-built lol.

But I do agree, it takes some fuckery to get a Win 11 laptop hit 8 hours. I'm just saying it's possible . It's certainly not equal to a MacBook, not claiming that, but its safe to say advances have been made that if you're willing to work with your Walmart bargain- midgrade find, it can work for you. If you just need to write something, its going to last a while.

That said, if you're doing something professionally, fine, get a MacBook. They work really well. But if not, a little drone laptop will still write your papers and make PowerPoints for work while you save for a rig. It all depends what you want
 
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Though that means I won't have USB C slots unless one of those pci-e USB cards can fit into a full sized slot, because the budget board I got doesn't have it
You can stick any PCIe card into any PCIe slot (or an M.2 slot with an adapter). What you need to consider is that sticking a full size card into a small slot may be physically impossible (requiring you to cut away a plastic tab on the motherboard) and that you will get less GB/s than the card may require. Sometimes that’s not an issue (GPUs only lose a few percent if you go from x16 to x8), sometimes it’s severe (M.2 SSD in an x1 slot will still have great latency and IOPS, but bandwidth will suffer). In your case, a shorter card in a larger slot is never an issue.
 
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You can stick any PCIe card into any PCIe slot (or an M.2 slot with an adapter). What you need to consider is that sticking a full size card into a small slot may be physically impossible (requiring you to cut away a plastic tab on the motherboard) and that you will get less GB/s than the card may require. Sometimes that’s not an issue (GPUs only lose a few percent if you go from x16 to x8), sometimes it’s severe (M.2 SSD in an x1 slot will still have great latency and IOPS, but bandwidth will suffer). In your case, a shorter card in a larger slot is never an issue.
I was talking needing another small slot, but it's interesting to know you can even do that. This is the board btw

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A family member got it for me for Christmas, so I had to go a little cheap. Micro ATX. Has 2 full sized slots pci-e, one smaller pci-e slot. Also has 4 sata ports that turns to 3 when using the 4x4 M.2 slot, Doesn't have USB-C which is why i want a rear card for the mini port. If I can give it extra sata if I need it with the big slot, it'll be great tbh
 
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I was talking needing another small slot, but it's interesting to know you can even do that. This is the board btw

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A family member got it for me for Christmas, so I had to go a little cheap. Micro ATX. Has 2 full sized slots pci-e, one smaller pci-e slot. Also has 4 sata ports that turns to 3 when using the 4x4 M.2 slot, Doesn't have USB-C which is why i want a rear card for the mini port. If I can give it extra sata if I need it with the big slot, it'll be great tbh
If you look closely, you’ll see that not all pins of the bottom slot are soldered. This is pretty common. What you have is an x16 slot, an x1 slot, and an x16 slot (x4 electrical). So you’d put your USB controller in the x1, the HBA in the bottom x16, and your GPU in the top x16. Chances are the M.2 slots also share lanes with the PCIe ones, so check the manual to make sure you’re not installing cards in slots that would deactivate if something is installed in a specific other slot.
 
If you look closely, you’ll see that not all pins of the bottom slot are soldered. This is pretty common. What you have is an x16 slot, an x1 slot, and an x16 slot (x4 electrical). So you’d put your USB controller in the x1, the HBA in the bottom x16, and your GPU in the top x16. Chances are the M.2 slots also share lanes with the PCIe ones, so check the manual to make sure you’re not installing cards in slots that would deactivate if something is installed in a specific other slot.
Yeah good point. I'll check that when I get it so I don't buy extra crap. In any case, I think I can get by on 3 sata cables if I'm careful
 
Yeah, sure, if you dim the screen, fiddle with the BIOS, make sure to never have more than one browser tab open, disable this, shut down that, you can maybe stretch a Winx86 book to 8 hours. A Mac can run for 8 hours just being used normally. I can do office tasks, watch a webinar, do a Teams call, visualize simulation results, etc, and it goes all day. My Windows laptop couldn't do that for more than about 2 hours.

Nobody's telling you to run out and spend $2K you don't have on a laptop you can't afford. Honestly, you should probably just save up about $1000 get a PC already if you want one.
Allegedly Windows 12 is supposed to be more intelligent at using wake timers to suspend background tasks which gives it 50% more battery life, but I'd have to see if that actually plays out. Seems that Microsoft is continuing the tick-tock schedule of one really good OS followed by a really bad one
 
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Allegedly Windows 12 is supposed to be more intelligent at using wake timers to suspend background tasks which gives it 50% more battery life, but I'd have to see if that actually plays out. Seems that Microsoft is continuing the tick-tock schedule of one really good OS followed by a really bad one
I will never trust Win 11 after the multiple shit they have done to OSes in general. Fool me once, shame on you, Fool me twice, shame on me (as a customer).
 
I will never trust Win 11 after the multiple shit they have done to OSes in general. Fool me once, shame on you, Fool me twice, shame on me (as a customer).
Windows 95: good
Windows ME: bad
Windows XP: good
Windows Vista: bad
Windows 7: good
Windows 8: bad
Windows 10: good
Windows 11: I like it but most people don't in the slightest
Windows 12: is bound to be good.
 
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Windows 95: good
Windows ME: bad
Windows XP: good
Windows Vista: bad
Windows 7: good
Windows 8: bad
Windows 10: good
Windows 11: I like it but most people don't in the slightest
Windows 12: is bound to be good.
1: Bad
2: Bad
3: Bad
95: Really good
98: Meh
2000: Really good
ME: Really bad
XP: Meh
Vista: Meh
7: Good
8: Bad
8.1: Good
10: Bad
11: Bad
I see no pattern. I’m not a windows fanatic though, even the best of these pale compared to my beloved macOS.
 
Good news, I found a bunch of 6700XTs on my local shops near the city. Bad news, none of them are Sapphires and are around 1,050 in USD.

PC gaming will never become a reality because of the fucking GPUs.
Just move to America and enjoy a $300 6700 XT. Maybe someone in the thread will agree to a green card marriage.
 
@WelperHelper99 if you do need extra ports in the future give this thread a read - https://forums.unraid.net/topic/102010-recommended-controllers-for-unraid/ - while it’s from the unraid forum the advice and recommendations and good for any OS.
As an example, I have two cases serving as NAS devices with x8 8tb drives. Obviously that's more drives than most motherboards can support, so I use two of the Dell H310 host bus adapters mentioned in the unraid link to connect them all.
Does this look like a good set for a server?
Xeon E5 2690 V3(24 threads)
32gb ram
ATX motherboard with slots for GPU and raid card
~$115 for kit
then I just need a heat sink and PSU (probably shouldn't buy PSU from Aliexpress)
I have a server running some 2650v4s, and those are getting long in the tooth. I wouldn't go any older than that, personally.
 
I don't need anything super powerful, I just need to use my existing case as it has an sas x8 raid system. Admittedly I wanted a Xeon but that's not super necessary...

...however, I may consider cannibalizing my current computer (Ryzen 5 3600) as I have a MSI Trident 3 I can use, and if I do I just need a atx motherboard and more ram. Would I be fine having no ECC and a consumer CPU tho?
If you're building a file server, even with transcoding, assuming that's offloaded to the GPU, pretty much anything will work. Even the E5 you mentioned is likely overkill.

My primary file server is an E3-1270 v3 on a Supermicro X10SLH-F with 32GB. It has 0 trouble saturating 10Gbit. The only thing you're likely to get with more modern stuff is lower power consumption. And with 8 SAS drives, it's pretty obvious that's not a concern :) It's also nice to have more RAM if you deal with tons of small files, but 32GB is likely fine for the size of your array.

For reference, here's the CPU usage graph for my file server:
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Notice that giant yellow area of most of the cores doing ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. Except for a few hours the other day where I destaged the files from the exterior camera SSD to the exterior camera cold storage drives with rsync.
 
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Yeah, sure, if you dim the screen, fiddle with the BIOS, make sure to never have more than one browser tab open, disable this, shut down that, you can maybe stretch a Winx86 book to 8 hours. A Mac can run for 8 hours just being used normally. I can do office tasks, watch a webinar, do a Teams call, visualize simulation results, etc, and it goes all day. My Windows laptop couldn't do that for more than about 2 hours.

Nobody's telling you to run out and spend $2K you don't have on a laptop you can't afford. Honestly, you should probably just save up about $1000 get a PC already if you want one.
I've had my el cheapo Gateway running ECU diagnostic software in a windows 10 VM for 2+ hours before the battery crapped out. For normal use like web browsing and document editing on the go, I haven't had to plug it in until I arrived at my destination.
 
Windows is bad in general and hasn't been 'acceptable' since XP. Microsoft's retarded strategy of just piling new redundant shit on top of the existing shit they have instead of refactoring or expanding on their base systems is atrocious. Windows 11 has been the first time I've seen them seriously reflect on this and try to tidy things up but there's so much shit in it now that the OS feels like it's hardstuck halfway between 2023 and 2003.

I own a Windows PC to play games on and that's its entire purpose. Real work is done on Linux and MacOS.
 
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