GPUs & CPUs & Enthusiast hardware: Questions, Discussion and fanboy slap-fights - Nvidia & AMD & Intel - Separe but Equal. Intel rides in the back of the bus.

[Brain Problems]

I've fucked around with Linux and various distros over the years and it occurred to me a long time ago that I was spending more time fighting with my computer to do less than I was otherwise. I feel the same way about whenever I have to use fucking MacOS. Windows sucks, and gets shittier every release but still feels like it balances the most amount of freedom to hassle ratio. Not to mention all games work on it, minus the ones that don't work at all.

But I am functionally retarded so please take this into consideration as well.

 

[Freedom Fighter]

The only time I'm planning to use Linux in the future is when I get a new GPU (7700xt or 7800xt) and if want to fuck around with AI shit that requires ROCm. Never any other time.

 

[Susanna]

The only time I'm planning to use Linux in the future is when I get a new GPU (7700xt or 7800xt) and if want to fuck around with AI shit that requires ROCm. Never any other time.

As much as I like AMDs GPUs (6900XT in my desktop and the excellent 780M in my laptop), for AI you really are better off going Nvidia. Just saying. The difference between my 6900XT and my 4090 is night and day (in SD performance even a 3070 would outperform it).

 

[Freedom Fighter]

As much as I like AMDs GPUs (6900XT in my desktop and the excellent 780M in my laptop), for AI you really are better off going Nvidia.

I agree, but I only game. The only AI shit I've tried so far, I got bored and quit before even finishing the setup, I just don't have an interest in it other than making a bot say the nigger word maybe once.

 

[thejackal2]

Just wasted $180 on a Ryzen 5 5700x. Should have just spent $600 and upgraded to a 13th gen Intel i5 with DDR5. When I did this AMD build back in 2019 Intel was just starting to become competitive again. I should have just bit the bullet and switched over. I upgraded from a Ryzen 5 5500 and I got like a 4-8 FPS boost in most my games. Not a good investment.

 

[Betonhaus]

I upgraded from a Ryzen 5 5500 and I got like a 4-8 FPS boost in most my games. Not a good investment.

I'm pretty sure you would've just wasted $600 if you made the switch, as your GPU is clearly the limiting factor here. 95% of performance bottlenecks are the GPU, unless you have a 10 year old cpu or 4gb ram.

Also the 5700x isn't that much of a jump over the 5600, it's the same generation with only two more cores ( 6 to 8 ) and a bit more cache.

 

[thejackal2]

I'm pretty sure you would've just wasted $600 if you made the switch, as your GPU is clearly the limiting factor here. 95% of performance bottlenecks are the GPU, unless you have a 10 year old cpu or 4gb ram.

I play a lot of CPU intense games like Rust, Flight Simulator, Civ series and so on. Rust especially needs the single thread performance. It's just bad on Ryzen compared to the new Intel chips. I'm running a 3060TI and the 5500 was def limiting me in Rust.

I mean I knew all of this before I bought it, I was just looking for a quick little upgrade. It was underwhelming, even for my low expectations. The extra cache didn't make the difference I was hoping. Going to see how much I can OC it this weekend if I get some time.

 

[Betonhaus]

I play a lot of CPU intense games like Rust, Flight Simulator, Civ series and so on. Rust especially needs the single thread performance. It's just bad on Ryzen compared to the new Intel chips. I'm running a 3060TI and the 5500 was def limiting me in Rust.

Does task manager show that the CPU is fully maxed out?
And if the issue is single core performance, then upgrading to a cpu that makes it's performance gains by having more cores will not help much.

 

[Lone Wandering Courier]

Looks like the Ryzen 7 5700 has come out for the DIY market. It seems to be roughly (on average) 14% slower in average fps than the 5700X and the 1% lows are even worse being 19% slower on average. Why the massive difference when normally non-X vs X variants are 1-3% different in performance? Well it isn't a slower clocked 5700X, but a binned 5700G without the graphics and therefore also lacks pcie4 and half of the cache the 5700X has. While the price of the 5700 is 15% less than the 5700X. the Ryzen 5 5600 just embarrass the 5700 in gaming and is a better value than the 5700.

 

[The Mass Shooter Ron Soye]

The only time I'm planning to use Linux in the future is when I get a new GPU (7700xt or 7800xt) and if want to fuck around with AI shit that requires ROCm. Never any other time.

7700 XT hit about $350 at Newegg briefly:
AMD Radeon RX 7700 XT is currently available for only $353

Which would have been an actually good price for a GPU about 30% faster than the 6700 XT.

 

[LegoTugboat]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61dDYE0Rlfs

Digital Foundry compares iOS and Mac versions of Death Stranding.
In short, iOS is roughly between a PS3 and PS4.
M1 Max is about a GeForce 2060.

 

[The Mass Shooter Ron Soye]

This guy thinks that Zen 6 desktop/server CPUs will use a raw die-to-die interface (RDI) on an organic substrate, which AMD used for the Navi 31/32 multi-chip module RDNA3 GPUs, calling it the "Infinity Links" fanout. This would increase interconnect bandwidth and energy efficiency, reduce latency, raise costs somewhat, but can have multiple suppliers.

Zen 5 will be comparatively boring, another iteration on the proven Zen 2 design probably topping out at 16 cores. It will have a better AVX-512 implementation. Phoronix (archive) noted that it's adding AVXVNNI, MOVDIRI, MOVDIR64B, AVX512VP2INTERSECT, and PREFETCHI. It's also delayed to no earlier than Q3. It would be nice if they launch X3D and non-X3D at the same time.

 

[Betonhaus]

Weird question, but did anyone else have unexplained super slow internet during the superbowl weekend?

 

[Susanna]

Nope, worked just fine for me.

Even with fibre your (non-business) connection won't be yours alone, it's shared with your neighbours. When you pay extra for more bandwidth you're just paying the ISP to throttle you a little less. If all your neighbours suddenly use all their capacity at once, what's available to you will plummet. A lot of your neighbours probably streamed the event. Super-slow internet during a major event such as UEFA or KHL finals isn't unexpected, so neither probably should be for american football.

 

[Betonhaus]

Nope, worked just fine for me.

Even with fibre your (non-business) connection won't be yours alone, it's shared with your neighbours. When you pay extra for more bandwidth you're just paying the ISP to throttle you a little less. If all your neighbours suddenly use all their capacity at once, what's available to you will plummet. A lot of your neighbours probably streamed the event. Super-slow internet during a major event such as UEFA or KHL finals isn't unexpected, so neither probably should be for american football.

It shouldn't be that bad tho, we have 1000Mbps and at the time I was lucky to get 3. I think I need to call my cable provider as they are at max capacity here.

 

[The Ugly One]

It would be nice if they launch X3D and non-X3D at the same time.

X3D is targeted at the HPC market, and in the past, they've sent those samples out well after they send out the base model samples. My guess is they don't commence X3D production until they've got everything ironed out with vanilla.

 

[The Mass Shooter Ron Soye]

X3D is targeted at the HPC market, and in the past, they've sent those samples out well after they send out the base model samples. My guess is they don't commence X3D production until they've got everything ironed out with vanilla.

The apparent delay of Zen 5 desktop CPUs could allow it to happen. We only have two examples so far. 5800X3D launched 17.5 months after the 5800X because the stacking technology wasn't ready at TSMC. The gap was only 5 months between 7950X/7900X and 7950X3D/7900X3D. Then an additional 37 days for the 7800X3D, probably because they didn't want it to immediately cannibalize sales of the other two.

 

[The Ugly One]

The apparent delay of Zen 5 desktop CPUs could allow it to happen. We only have two examples so far. 5800X3D launched 17.5 months after the 5800X because the stacking technology wasn't ready at TSMC. The gap was only 5 months between 7950X/7900X and 7950X3D/7900X3D. Then an additional 37 days for the 7800X3D, probably because they didn't want it to immediately cannibalize sales of the other two.

Again, I think it's just that they don't want to put off a launch any longer than they have to. You want to ensure your base design has no issues before you test a more demanding design.

I also don't know where you heard the technology wasn't ready at TSMC. 7003 EPYC was launched in March '21, 7003X EPYC in November '21, 5 months before 5800X3D in April '22. And months before the 7003X launch, AMD had shipped the entire first batch of Milan-X CPUs to Microsoft for installation in its HBV3 clusters. The reason 5800X3D wasn't until April '22 was the desktop division had to get in line behind the server division for this technology. At the time, they were selling every single 7003 they could make as fast as they could make it, and 7003X was just as hot. Plus the 3D V-Cache added a $1500-$2000 premium to the chip.

I believe 7800X3D is using 7nm L3 chiplets, so I think it's not directly competing with Genoa-X for resources there.

 

[jeff7989]

Has any of you had issues with POST on Nvidia using DP cable? Such a bullshit issue, I took my PC apart couple times and thought that my CPU got fried, then I plugged in the monitor to iGPU and it booted right up. First time I had such problem, who would have thought that display cable can cause BIOS to fail to POST.
I tested a couple different cables and I had the least amount of trouble when using HDMI, but my monitor only supports GSYNC via DP, so that's not a solution.
What I get is 5 beeps (Asrock B650I Lightning with AMI UEFI) and then just fans going up and down. Google suggests disabling FullHD bios, and so far it worked.

 

[seri0us]

Has any of you had issues with POST on Nvidia using DP cable? Such a bullshit issue, I took my PC apart couple times and thought that my CPU got fried, then I plugged in the monitor to iGPU and it booted right up. First time I had such problem, who would have thought that display cable can cause BIOS to fail to POST.
I tested a couple different cables and I had the least amount of trouble when using HDMI, but my monitor only supports GSYNC via DP, so that's not a solution.
What I get is 5 beeps (Asrock B650I Lightning with AMI UEFI) and then just fans going up and down. Google suggests disabling FullHD bios, and so far it worked.

I've never had this happen to me.