GPUs & CPUs & Enthusiast hardware: Questions, Discussion and fanboy slap-fights - Nvidia & AMD & Intel - Separe but Equal. Intel rides in the back of the bus.

[The Ugly One]

That's a shame. Is there a way to pre-load textures?

There's nowhere to load them to except VRAM. I don't have any kind of detailed profiling data to be 100% certain, but it sure looks to me like the memory bus simply can't keep up with the processor. The N64 and the Xbox had a similar problem.

VR has been the future since the 1990s, and will continue to be the future for the foreseeable future.

 

[Betonhaus]

Evidence mounts that Intel will ditch hyperthreading in upcoming Arrow Lake and Lunar Lake products. May as well get used to it early

Imo hypertheading is obsolete. It was revolutionary when putting two or four cores on a die was the most they could fit, but we have 24 core CPUs now so that's not a restriction.

 

[Susanna]

VR has been the future since the 1990s, and will continue to be the future for the foreseeable future.

I would expect "full dive" VR before anything else, VR goggles with hand controls will be awkward for basically anything not actually designed around sitting in a chair (Elite Dangerous, racing games) and "full immersion" with a harness and a treadmill platform is super impractical. Frankly, brain implants that let you project a virtual reality seem more feasible even though they're pure sci-fi, than the laughably clumsy excuse for VR we have now.

I'm all in for AR though. Like a phone that clips onto my glasses and projects the screen directly into my eye, or a headset for my workstation that lets me use my actual hands rather than a spacemouse to move objects in CAD around. The brain implant could just do both of those directly, of course, which would be even better, I wonder how progress on that is going?

Oh. Oh no.

Imo hypertheading is obsolete. It was revolutionary when putting two or four cores on a die was the most they could fit, but we have 24 core CPUs now so that's not a restriction.

Hyperthreading is a performance improvement in pipelined processors, which is pretty much all modern ones. But it's not as flexible as the architecture Intel purports to have ready.

It seems more and more like an act of desperation on Intel's part to me. They're losing marketshare fast, and in the markets that count (server, workstation). Being able to keep up with AMD in gaming is basically irrelevant, you can game on actual ewaste and suffer no more than the occasional stuttering frame, it's not a demanding task.

 

[BallsMcLongDong]

Just got a barely used 980Ti Ref edition for $5 from a work buddy to replace my Radeon R9 290. Needed some light cleaning and replacement fan.
Boy, is it fucking loud. I've not had a GPU that directed out of case, didn't realize how loud they are compared to the in-case venting my Gigabyte AMD fans did. Thought something was wrong.

At any rate, still working on upgrading this old pile of shit I built out of literal parts in the trash from an old ISP job.
Here's the specs.
MOBO: ASUS M5A78L-M/USB3
OS: Win 10 Pro x64
Processor: AMD FX(tm)-6300 Six-Core Processor, 3500Mhz, 3 Cores 6 logical processors
GPU: GTX 980Ti Ref Model
Ram: 16 GB

Want a new CPU. What should I shoot for? Having problems with newer games like the Dead Space Remake stuttering or sometimes not even loading.
It's AM3+ only. And I know the easy answer is "buy a new mobo", but I love this thing. It came from the garbage and has been a faithful computer for almost a decade. And I build retro systems for fun (have a win98 gaming tower I built with the best Voodoo and Soundblaster cards that are supported, retarded cooling systems, fun stuff like that, a couple XP gaming laptops) and find it's a lot more fun to build around limitations than to just get the new hotness that everyone says you just should have.
So, with this current setup, what is the BEST possible configuration for this MOBO? Looking at the 8370E for a CPU, but I know AMD are big fucking liars and their "8 cores" is more like 4 and a half.

 

[Susanna]

It's AM3+ only. And I know the easy answer is "buy a new mobo", but I love this thing. It came from the garbage and has been a faithful computer for almost a decade.

An 8370E is not going to fix things for you.
Buy a new motherboard. AM3+ wasn't a good platform even when it was new, it certainly isn't now. You can probably get some Intel ewaste that will beat it badly for free, or pick up an AM4 board with something like a 3600 for cheap. AM4 would let you upgrade to the 5800X3D down the line, that thing is going to be great for a good while longer.

 

[BallsMcLongDong]

An 8370E is not going to fix things for you.
Buy a new motherboard. AM3+ wasn't a good platform even when it was new, it certainly isn't now. You can probably get some Intel ewaste that will beat it badly for free, or pick up an AM4 board with something like a 3600 for cheap. AM4 would let you upgrade to the 5800X3D down the line, that thing is going to be great for a good while longer.

I see. Was hoping to keep the MOBO around and make it the best it could be. trying to avoid new MOBO, since that would essentially mean building a new PC. New CPU, Probably new Power supply, DDR4 Ram, etc.....
Rather than that, I wanna get this thing to the peak that it can possibly be. Can build a new PC over time and gift this to Mrs. Longdong so we can play games together. There won't be any noticeable change between the 6300 series and the 8300 series?

 

[The Ugly One]

I see. Was hoping to keep the MOBO around and make it the best it could be. trying to avoid new MOBO, since that would essentially mean building a new PC. New CPU, Probably new Power supply, DDR4 Ram, etc.....
Rather than that, I wanna get this thing to the peak that it can possibly be. Can build a new PC over time and gift this to Mrs. Longdong so we can play games together. There won't be any noticeable change between the 6300 series and the 8300 series?

The best you can possibly do is an FX-9590. However it does look like the less-terrible Bulldozer CPUs are quite expensive for what they are, ranging from $125-$250 on ebay, likely because they're a specialty item at this point.

Hyperthreading is a performance improvement in pipelined processors, which is pretty much all modern ones. But it's not as flexible as the architecture Intel purports to have ready.

It seems more and more like an act of desperation on Intel's part to me. They're losing marketshare fast, and in the markets that count (server, workstation).

HT can degrade performance when neither process is running into a lot of trouble with cache misses. It does best when both processes are sporadically waiting for data a lot. We actually disable it on all our server nodes. Intel's probably most concerned about Apple in its desktop/laptop market, not AMD. All of this stuff looks to me like ways to squeeze out more efficiency and save energy.

The only thing Intel can do to fix its server/workstation problem is get its process node up to parity with TSMC. There's no way for it to put as much cache, as many cores, or as many memory channels on the die as AMD does as long as it's behind.

 

[The Mass Shooter Ron Soye]

Imo hypertheading is obsolete. It was revolutionary when putting two or four cores on a die was the most they could fit, but we have 24 core CPUs now so that's not a restriction.

You're probably right, but SMT/HT can add around 25-30% extra performance when it works well. Reviewers will be on the lookout for regressions if HT is eliminated in Arrow Lake. Suddenly you will be limited to 8 threads on the fast cores, or 6 threads on a 13600K equivalent.

Hyperthreading is a performance improvement in pipelined processors, which is pretty much all modern ones. But it's not as flexible as the architecture Intel purports to have ready.

It seems more and more like an act of desperation on Intel's part to me. They're losing marketshare fast, and in the markets that count (server, workstation). Being able to keep up with AMD in gaming is basically irrelevant, you can game on actual ewaste and suffer no more than the occasional stuttering frame, it's not a demanding task.

They have a bunch of big changes they want to make, with some desperation involved:

• Rentable units to replace hyperthreading, and whatever else is in now ex-employee Jim Keller's "Royal Core" project
• AVX10 to fix the AVX-512 fiasco they made for themselves (here's Chips and Cheese bashing it)
• 64-bit-only "X86S" to simplify the ISA
• Tiles (chiplets) everywhere, including their desktop lineups, meaning TSMC could effectively be making large portions of their CPUs
• Integrated NPUs everywhere, including desktop, accelerating INT4, INT8, BF16, etc. to catch the Windows AI hype train
• The return of L4 cache, missing from desktop sockets since the legendary i7-5775C

 

[BPD Gunt Rider]

Just got a barely used 980Ti Ref edition for $5 from a work buddy to replace my Radeon R9 290. Needed some light cleaning and replacement fan.
Boy, is it fucking loud. I've not had a GPU that directed out of case, didn't realize how loud they are compared to the in-case venting my Gigabyte AMD fans did. Thought something was wrong.

At any rate, still working on upgrading this old pile of shit I built out of literal parts in the trash from an old ISP job.
Here's the specs.
MOBO: ASUS M5A78L-M/USB3
OS: Win 10 Pro x64
Processor: AMD FX(tm)-6300 Six-Core Processor, 3500Mhz, 3 Cores 6 logical processors
GPU: GTX 980Ti Ref Model
Ram: 16 GB

Want a new CPU. What should I shoot for? Having problems with newer games like the Dead Space Remake stuttering or sometimes not even loading.
It's AM3+ only. And I know the easy answer is "buy a new mobo", but I love this thing. It came from the garbage and has been a faithful computer for almost a decade. And I build retro systems for fun (have a win98 gaming tower I built with the best Voodoo and Soundblaster cards that are supported, retarded cooling systems, fun stuff like that, a couple XP gaming laptops) and find it's a lot more fun to build around limitations than to just get the new hotness that everyone says you just should have.
So, with this current setup, what is the BEST possible configuration for this MOBO? Looking at the 8370E for a CPU, but I know AMD are big fucking liars and their "8 cores" is more like 4 and a half.

I believe that Mobo only has a 4-pin connector, so it's hard to say how much you can push that. The high-end Bulldozer CPUs are known for not performing much better, but much higher power consumption.

I'd keep what you have there. If you want to buy, get a new system.

 

[Darkholme's Dungeon]

The best you can possibly do is an FX-9590. However it does look like the less-terrible Bulldozer CPUs are quite expensive for what they are, ranging from $125-$250 on ebay, likely because they're a specialty item at this point.

There's very few boards capable handling a 9590. He'd be better off with a Phenom II 42 TWKR, PC3-10600 and

So, with this current setup, what is the BEST possible configuration for this MOBO? Looking at the 8370E for a CPU, but I know AMD are big fucking liars and their "8 cores" is more like 4 and a half.

"Multi-tasking" or parallel compute: Phenom II X6 1100T Black Edition
Single thread perf: FX-8370E OC with 4 cores disabled (You can't OC very much since 4pin CPU is ~195W)
AMD Fusion prototype: FX-9590 + Radeon VII
"I play dwarf fortress"(Or other odd code): Cry and buy Intel due to better branch predictors.

I consider the Phenoms to be better than the FX pile of trash that should to be bulldozered.

to be fair, AMD fanboys are much worse and practically inescapable outside of forums exclusive to Intel/NVIDIA owners

plebbit has /r/ayymd and that's all you need to know.

@Leaded Gasoline And here we are with AMD spanking Intel in gaming with X3D. It didn't look optimistic for AMD before Ryzen.

Intel has always had a lead on branch prediction and L1, L2 cache (see DF render tests) and single core IPC. The stacked L3 cache from AMD has it's roots in R9 Fury X (and Nano) to reduce what was thought to be the bottleneck of bandwith in GPUs.

 

[WelperHelper99]

Ok. I think I got figured out what my final build is going to have.
First switch out the Motherboard for a ATX that's nicer

Has more ports I want than my current micro ATX. And I can use both of my M.2 drives in it.

Second, since taxes are coming in, the graphics card

Oh yeah. A 4070 super OC. The new motherboard should better be able to support it.

 

[SilentDuck]

Just got a barely used 980Ti Ref edition for $5 from a work buddy to replace my Radeon R9 290. Needed some light cleaning and replacement fan.
Boy, is it fucking loud. I've not had a GPU that directed out of case, didn't realize how loud they are compared to the in-case venting my Gigabyte AMD fans did. Thought something was wrong.

At any rate, still working on upgrading this old pile of shit I built out of literal parts in the trash from an old ISP job.
Here's the specs.
MOBO: ASUS M5A78L-M/USB3
OS: Win 10 Pro x64
Processor: AMD FX(tm)-6300 Six-Core Processor, 3500Mhz, 3 Cores 6 logical processors
GPU: GTX 980Ti Ref Model
Ram: 16 GB

Want a new CPU. What should I shoot for? Having problems with newer games like the Dead Space Remake stuttering or sometimes not even loading.
It's AM3+ only. And I know the easy answer is "buy a new mobo", but I love this thing. It came from the garbage and has been a faithful computer for almost a decade. And I build retro systems for fun (have a win98 gaming tower I built with the best Voodoo and Soundblaster cards that are supported, retarded cooling systems, fun stuff like that, a couple XP gaming laptops) and find it's a lot more fun to build around limitations than to just get the new hotness that everyone says you just should have.
So, with this current setup, what is the BEST possible configuration for this MOBO? Looking at the 8370E for a CPU, but I know AMD are big fucking liars and their "8 cores" is more like 4 and a half.

The single blower "dust buster" designs are pure hell to listen to. Like getting a Monkey's Paw as a gift. Bench markers say the AM3+ platform will not be able to take advantage of anything past a 1060 which is quite comparable to a 980Ti. You could go as high as a 2060 if it's worth it to you or just find a used 3060. Either way, you are likely already at the GPU bottleneck. 980Ti is still desirable in MAME and retro community as it can do analog out on a CRT despite not having analog connectors and with a trivial driver hack works with XP like the 960GTX for "dream" rigs you can max out every setting on.

Appropriate CPU is 8150/8350 but it won't change much unless the vidya you want to play is specifically stated to be improved by a better CPU. FX-8350 is more common, cheaper but hotter than 8150.

The best you can possibly do is an FX-9590. However it does look like the less-terrible Bulldozer CPUs are quite expensive for what they are, ranging from $125-$250 on ebay, likely because they're a specialty item at this point.

I would not drop a 220W CPU into a MicroATX budget oriented AM3+ socket even if both were blessed by a Tech Priest of Mars.

 

[AmpleApricots]

It's a waste of money dude, especially at these power consumption numbers. I love recycling old computers into something useful as much as the next guy but that thing is kind of a dead end.

 

[Just Some Other Guy]

Only thing bulldozer was good for was an extremely budget friendly functional CPU.

Irrelevant nowadays when you can buy used am4 setups for very cheap.

 

[Brain Problems]

What's the thread's consensus on the best GPU from a power-to-budget ratio? I recall the 4070TI was bandied about for a while but I cannot recall and I really only understand AMD.

 

[jeff7989]

AMD wasn't jewing with stuff like AES256 being locked to more expensive parts only. So it had its uses.

 

[BPD Gunt Rider]

What's the thread's consensus on the best GPU from a power-to-budget ratio? I recall the 4070TI was bandied about for a while but I cannot recall and I really only understand AMD.

If you mean "bang for buck", for new cards I would say 4070 Super for NVidia and 7800 XT for AMD currently. Low-end, 6600/6600XT/6650XT. Arc A750 only if you know you're only playing games with good driver support.

 

[Ibanez RG 350EX]

I've recently tried to run a few OpenGL games and gotten really terrible performance on a 2019 laptop with an AMD APU which, while far from a gaming powerhouse, breezes through DirectX/Vulkan stuff that's much more graphically intensive than, say, Doom 3. The GPU appears to just sit at its idle clockspeed (400 Mhz) and never budges, no matter what's being rendered. Temperatures are low, power draw is low - it's really just sitting there doing nothing and refuses to spool up.

Is this a known problem? I know that AMD's OpenGL support has traditionally been poor, but this seems less like a mere efficiency issue and more like a really obvious, severe bug.

 

[Betonhaus]

I've recently tried to run a few OpenGL games and gotten really terrible performance on a 2019 laptop with an AMD APU which, while far from a gaming powerhouse, breezes through DirectX/Vulkan stuff that's much more graphically intensive than, say, Doom 3. The GPU appears to just sit at its idle clockspeed (400 Mhz) and never budges, no matter what's being rendered. Temperatures are low, power draw is low - it's really just sitting there doing nothing and refuses to spool up.

Is this a known problem? I know that AMD's OpenGL support has traditionally been poor, but this seems less like a mere efficiency issue and more like a really obvious, severe bug.

May I ask what you did to troubleshoot this, like installing drivers from AMD directly and changing your computer's power profile?

 

[Ibanez RG 350EX]

May I ask what you did to troubleshoot this, like installing drivers from AMD directly and changing your computer's power profile?

I've got the latest video driver, chipset driver, and the power profile is set to max performance. I don't see how any of that can be the cause when the problem is 100% exclusive to OpenGL, though.