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Sure, repairable laptops sounds great. The reality is, most users are never going to repair a laptop, they'll just get a new one. As long as you build it solid enough to last until the hardware is almost obsolete anyway, hardly anyone is going to choose a repairable/upgradeable laptop over one that isn't.
If you're placing an order for 20,000 laptops that will be used in something like the school system you will think about repair costs that won't be covered by warranty.
You do realize that you can buy Windows laptops that use Type-C, and so would use the same charger as your phone (unless it's an old iPhone) or MacBook?
If it can output 65W or whatever the laptop requires, sure. Can a pack-in phone charger do that?
 
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If you're placing an order for 20,000 laptops that will be used in something like the school system you will think about repair costs that won't be covered by warranty.

If it can output 65W or whatever the laptop requires, sure. Can a pack-in phone charger do that?
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If you're placing an order for 20,000 laptops that will be used in something like the school system you will think about repair costs that won't be covered by warranty.
Institutions and corporate customers take out insurance on laptops for when end users inevitably fuck them up in some way that isn't covered by the warranty. Sadly I've never seen reparability factor into purchasing decisions wherever I've worked. If governments actually cared about e-waste, they should factor reparability into their purchasing decisions as they are huge buyers, but they'd rather just create impenetrable regulation and tax more.

Only time I ever did repair work is when I worked for a company in debt up to its eyeballs that had missed 2 replacement cycles and so end users were rocking 8+ year old HP laptops and desktops. Laptops which came back would be refurbished with the cheapest 240 GB SATA SSD money could buy, meanwhile we had a room full of dead desktops we'd harvest parts from to keep clunkers ticking over.
 
You do realize that you can buy Windows laptops that use Type-C, and so would use the same charger as your phone (unless it's an old iPhone) or MacBook?
I don’t want to carry around my phone charger either.
Mobile devices should have enough battery life for at least a day’s worth of work. For a smartwatch or a phone that’s like thirty hours, since you may not charge it super consistently, and for a laptop that should be like ten hours to cover a day’s worth of work.
Also if you're bitching about battery life then use one of the Qualcomm ARM laptops that have like 30 hour battery life
I’d rather have something that doesn’t chug from having more than two browser tabs open. Also, ARM Windows laptops have godawful trackpads and keyboards, they’re basically just overpriced chromebooks. I do a tonne of typing, a good keyboard matters to me almost as much as the battery life.
If it can output 65W or whatever the laptop requires, sure. Can a pack-in phone charger do that?
You can charge with less than the specified power, it’ll just be slower. I’ve charged Windows laptops with my 35W phone charger, it’s just you charge for four hours to get two hours of battery life, and if you’re actually using the thing while it’s charging you barely even break even.

I just don’t get why Windows users are so obstinate about defending their laptop’s shit battery life? I don’t mind admitting faults MacBooks have, for example how steeply Apple charges for memory and storage.
 
I just don’t get why Windows users are so obstinate about defending their laptop’s shit battery life? I don’t mind admitting faults MacBooks have, for example how steeply Apple charges for memory and storage.
What I don't get is why Apple users get obsessed with the one single aspect of laptops that Apple does well in, then lords it over every other aspect as if it matters to most people.

Can MacBooks game? No
Do MacBooks have a good keyboard? No, but it's better then when they used butterfly keyboards
Do MacBooks have normal USB ports? No
Do MacBooks have ethernet or HDMI? No
Do MacBooks have better Office software? No
Do MacBooks have touchscreens? No


there are a million things that Windows laptops can do that MacBooks cannot do, and refusing to acknowledge them and instead hyperfixate on the one thing MacBooks are good at seems like an inferiority complex.
 
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What I don't get is why Apple users get obsessed with the one single aspect of laptops that Apple does well in, then lords it over every other aspect as if it matters to most people.

Can MacBooks game? No
Do MacBooks have a good keyboard? No, but it's better then when they used butterfly keyboards
Do MacBooks have normal USB ports? No
Do MacBooks have ethernet or HDMI? No
Do MacBooks have better Office software? No
Do MacBooks have touchscreens? No


there are a million things that Windows laptops can do that MacBooks cannot do, and refusing to acknowledge them and instead hyperfixate on the one thing MacBooks are good at seems like an inferiority complex.
...there is an obese, diabetic elephant in the room regarding the demographics that use Apple's desktop and laptop computers. These "people" don't care about gaming, having office software, usb ports, ethernet, HDMI, etc. They either don't ever use these anyway, or have bought into Apple's (overpriced) alternatives. They are a demographic that will gladly pay for convenience and safety at all costs. Just let them waste their money.

I will say though that I lament the idea among normies that hardware is irreversibly coupled to the OS that it comes installed with. There are truly no "MacOS computers" or "Windows computers"; only computers that come preinstalled with either OS.
 
Can MacBooks game? No
I’ve gamed on mine, it’s no worse than any other laptop.
Do MacBooks have a good keyboard? No, but it's better then when they used butterfly keyboards
They do have way better trackpads though.
Do MacBooks have normal USB ports? No
A few wouldn’t go amiss.
Do MacBooks have ethernet or HDMI? No
You can do both HDMI and DP over USB-C, and Ethernet is usually done through your desk docking station/KVM anyway, adding it directly to the laptop either makes the machine much thicker or is really fragile.
Do MacBooks have better Office software? No
We have the same office suite you do though?
Do MacBooks have touchscreens? No
I consider that a positive.
 
no MacOS computers
This used to be true until Apple Silicon. Good luck getting anything but MacOS running properly on their new architecture unless you count autistic tranny toy systems like Asahi Linux. Old intel based macs are another story of course.
no Windows computers
Now this one strikes a chord with me because it reminds me of a pet peeve I have with Windows itself conflating the terms "Windows" and "computer." I get perhaps unreasonably angry when I see a BSOD--typically caused by a shitty broken driver, a virus, or just the fact Windows is made by pajeets with absolutely no quality control--and the accompanying message that tells you "your PC had a problem." No bitch, your shitty system has a problem. Nothing's wrong with the PC. You pay for this privilege of being treated like a fucking retard, by the way.
 
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This used to be true until Apple Silicon. Good luck getting anything but MacOS running properly on their new architecture unless you count autistic tranny toy systems like Asahi Linux. Old intel based macs are another story of course.
This is why I consider all people using Apple Silicon-based devices to be phoneposters. You aren't even using a computer at that point.
Now this one strikes a chord with me because it reminds me of a pet peeve I have with Windows itself conflating the terms "Windows" and "computer." I get perhaps unreasonably angry when I see a BSOD--typically caused by a shitty broken driver, a virus, or just the fact Windows is made by pajeets with absolutely no quality control--and the accompanying message that tells you "your PC had a problem." No bitch, your shitty system has a problem. Nothing's wrong with the PC. You pay for this privilege of being treated like a fucking retard, by the way.
I won't sperg too much about switching to Linux here since its a hardware thread, but this is why I ditched Windows years ago.
 
This used to be true until Apple Silicon. Good luck getting anything but MacOS running properly on their new architecture unless you count autistic tranny toy systems like Asahi Linux.

I can't imagine buying a Macbook just so I could put a janky freeware OS on it that can't even be relied on to work correctly on an x86 laptop.
 
status update: FUCK THOSE CHINKS

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They said it was 35mm, it's 40mm thick
They said it's 73mm wide, it's 82mm wide
They said it's 160mm long, it's 165mm

I can NEVER trust a chink. Never
It's on their website, it's on their amazon page, it's fucking everywhere, yet there isn't a single PSU they ever did that actually fit those dimensions.
TOTAL BUGMEN DEATH

On another note: I'm caving in and paying $90 extra for this very slim PSU that allows me to change the general layout around:
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As a bonus, it's entirely passively cooled so virtually no noise produced, and the GPU has a bit extra room to take in air.

Furthermore: I'm adding 8 3.6Ah 3.7v batteries, adding a bit over 100Wh of battery to the system, using a DC-DC charge and discharge circuit, so you don't have to shut down your pc when you're about to unplug, you can just lower your usage and have it stay comfortable chewing on that capacity for more than an hour or two while you get back home.
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The chinese are notorious for false or just missing measurements. It's not like this for consumer products only. Sometimes the mistakes even make no sense whatsoever, like there's no angle where you could say "ah, lying about that measurment would be profitable", quite the contrary even. I never researched what's going on there but it is defintively a thing. I would also not trust them with cooling estimations, especially if there are no hard numbers and obviously nobody who ever made calculations for potential heatsink dimensions.

The big problem with power saving functionality in modern computers isn't the silicon, even x86 mobile SoCs are pretty great at it. It's mostly that software up from and inculding UEFI firmware takes little advantage of it, if not completely ignoring/disabling functionality to manage a better burst benchmark. Writing software in energy efficent ways is just not in the vocabulary of the modern programmer and there's only so much the hardware architecture can do. Apple has the advantage of vertical integration and an iron grip of what's allowed on their OS.
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I always wanted to build a luggable. It usually starts with me with the thought that notebook keyboards suck, then the serviceability sucks.. and so on. It's all been mentioned here. I always end up falling down a very bizarre rabbithole until I'm at some point where I'm at alternative architectures and other bizarre things like that when all I really want is something this:

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Just with a decent mechanical keyboard and a workable x86 SoC or if I'm dreaming already, an ARM SoC that is incredibly well supported by linux including power saving features. The stylish, classical keyboard computer is sadly utterly underrepresented in todays landscape. (Yes I'm aware of the pi keyboard computer, but the keyboard is terrible) You could probably mod a mechanical keyboard to host a SBC, but I don't think it'd be a great experience. Give me a way to hook a portable monitor up via usb-cand an optional external battery pack that could be a decent size and last for days and I, personally, would have a winner. Maybe not for the starbucks-writer kind of types.
 
You could probably mod a mechanical keyboard to host a SBC, but I don't think it'd be a great experience.
You could get a very roomy battleship keyboard and stick a laptop motherboard in the back. There’s usually plenty of room in those. It’s not exactly portable though.

A better solution would probably be to just make a chassis where the front part holds a mechanical keyboard PCB at a relatively steep angle and the rear has room for a laptop motherboard. Most laptops these days have slim rectangular motherboards along the rear of the computer because most laptops need the entire volume of the front to fit the battery. The laptop’s switches are so poor because they need to fit over the motherboard. If you move the keyboard to the front of the case and install it at an angle, like in a wedge computer, you’ll have plenty of room for taller switches (since there’s no battery) in the front, and plenty of room under the keyboard for the laptop motherboard (since the keyboard PCB is mounted at an angle).

You could make this yourself fairly easily, just take the motherboard out of an old laptop, connect an internal to actual DP adapter to the internal screen ribbon, 3D print a case to mount it in, then take a mechanical keyboard out of its case and mount that to the front. Mounting a new cooler will be the most challenging part, you could simply keep the laptop’s stock cooler on and just print ducts for it to move air properly, but with room for something like an NH-L9i you could get much better performance out of the hardware.
 
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