GPUs & CPUs & Enthusiast hardware: Questions, Discussion and fanboy slap-fights - Nvidia & AMD & Intel - Separe but Equal. Intel rides in the back of the bus.

[The Ugly One]

I mean, if AMD was serious about marketshare, they would have pushed out RDNA4 in time for Christmas and Chinese New Year. They'd have taken a short-term loss to get rid of remaining RDNA3 before Q4 2024 and instead of everyone talking about Battlemage in December, we'd be talking about RDNA4.

I don't think AMD is actually serious about growing marketshare. They might think they are but it looks like they're aiming to do another RDNA3 where they launch their cards at a $100 discount to nvidia and then shrug their shoulders when no one buys them. And then by the time they cut prices, no one gives a shit anymore and they go back to talking about how they need to focus on growing marketshare.

It's all so tiresome.

I don't think it's that they're not serious about market share so much as it is that they made a huge miscalculation with their GPU roadmap 15 years ago that they are only recently realizing has screwed them. They haven't been genuine technology thought leaders in this space since the mid-00s, so all they really have is a commodity style "like NVIDIA but cheaper" offering.

 

[milk]

I don't think it's that they're not serious about market share so much as it is that they made a huge miscalculation with their GPU roadmap 15 years ago that they are only recently realizing has screwed them. They haven't been genuine technology thought leaders in this space since the mid-00s, so all they really have is a commodity style "like NVIDIA but cheaper" offering.

Don’t forget they’re doing quite well in CPU department, and the Datacenter market segment. It’s not over for AMD as a whole, and they could make a comeback.

 

[The Mass Shooter Ron Soye]

Don’t forget they’re doing quite well in CPU department, and the Datacenter market segment. It’s not over for AMD as a whole, and they could make a comeback.

They aren't facing Pat and other lightweights in the GPU race. They are facing a man who wears leather jackets and prints money.

BTW don't worry about 9950X3D, you good.

AMD Unveils Krackan Point “Ryzen 300” & Hawk Point Refresh “Ryzen 200” APUs: Up To 78% Better Performance Over Lunar Lake

Cracking Point obviously has slower graphics than Lunar Lake, guess they don't want to talk about that.

 

[Betonhaus]

I've discovered something important about the Intel B580, it *really* needs a PCIe 4 slot because a PCIe 3 slot throttles it bad. That explains the big gap in performance some people have seen. I believe the B580 is only an x8 card instead of a full x16, which is why there's a couple models of B580s that have built in m.2 SSD slots

 

[The Mass Shooter Ron Soye]

If AMD is to be believed, Strix Halo can beat the RTX 4090 in certain VRAM-limited AI scenarios (maybe even the 5090). I think its gaming performance will be around RTX 5060 (mobile dGPU). So it's not going to be a transformative gaming APU unless you pick it up off the back of the truck, steal it from your employer, etc.

@4090 Chad AMD explains the missing RDNA 4 GPUs in its CES 2025 livestream

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[The Ugly One]

A lot of discussions about this stuff aren't rooted in any kind of rationality. People seethed around the clock about Alan Wake 2 system requirements when the techtubers did videos about it but how many of those people were even going to play Alan Wake 2 in the first place?

The funny thing is, after a long drought where too many PC games were just console ports that didn't tax high-end hardware, when Crysis was released and couldn't run at max settings on any current GPU, you heard a lot of, "See? This is what PC gaming is all about! This game has real longevity! Cope & seethe, console peasants!"

 

[Post Reply]

Sounds like AMD's taking the "Nvidia's pricing -8%" route again, shit.

 

[Get the rope Macaulay!]

"30W TDP" and "handheld" are also not two things I'd say belong in the same sentence. With current battery tech, that'll never be practical.

yeah i thought we went over this with "gaming laptops" if you have to be plugged in after 2 or 3 hours, congrats its not a laptop. might as well get a much cheaper desktop and just carry that everywhere with a monitor.

Of course it's less upgradable but computers just don't age like that anymore, anyways.

great point, i'm mainly using a computer from a dozen years ago to shitpost, its crazy how that would have been impossible in the 90s, but now its normal. honestly how many people even use PCs anymore? way more phone posters than ever before.

 

[The Mass Shooter Ron Soye]

AMD are keeping it "up in the air" whether or not FSR4 will come to other GPUs.

 

[Mister Fister]

Take a drink everytime Jensen says AI

 

[Fcret]

great point, i'm mainly using a computer from a dozen years ago to shitpost, its crazy how that would have been impossible in the 90s, but now its normal. honestly how many people even use PCs anymore? way more phone posters than ever before.

In the US, the numbers haven't really changed much - about one PC per household. About 96% of households have at least one PC and something like 80% of Americans use a laptop/desktop daily. I imagine this is roughly the same in the rest of the developed world. Biggest shift in the last decade is how many people have left Windows - about 1 in 4 American PC users are now using MacOS compared to <10% in the 2000s.

Most of the phone posters are from the developing world where space is at a premium and electrical service is not reliable.

 

[4090 Chad]

Jensen is claiming the 5070 is 4090 performance at $550

 

[Mister Fister]

549 for 5070?
749 for 5070 ti
999 for 5080
1999 for 5090

 

[Sithis]

$1999 for the 5090 under the logic that you already spent thousands on an "entertainment command center" incredible

 

[Mister Fister]

Still planning on the 5090 with a 9800x3d for next PC

 

[Total Annihilation]

A collection of what has been announced pricing wise, no word yet on dedicated wam.

 

[Betonhaus]

What would be the most affordable Xeon or Epyc chips that have PCIe 4 support?

 

[The Ugly One]

$1999 for the 5090 under the logic that you already spent thousands on an "entertainment command center" incredible

Incidentally $1999 is also the cost of electricity for running a 5090 for two hours.

What would be the most affordable Xeon or Epyc chips that have PCIe 4 support?

Zen 2 EPYC or Ice Lake Xeon.

 

[Fcret]

If we're going based on TOPS (which isn't accurate but it's the only thing that's been revealed so far), the 5070 is going to sit between the 4080 and 4090 in performance. If that's the case, then that's pretty brutal for AMD because that means there's effectively a $549 ceiling for all of RDNA4 and realistically they need to be $100 lower than that to get *any* sales.

Maybe
9070 XT - $450
9070 - $399
9060 - $299

Can AMD even make money at those prices?

 

[The Ugly One]

yeah i thought we went over this with "gaming laptops" if you have to be plugged in after 2 or 3 hours, congrats its not a laptop. might as well get a much cheaper desktop and just carry that everywhere with a monitor.

I'm perfectly fine with my gaming laptop needing to be plugged in while gaming. It's still far more portable than a Playstation or mini PC, perfect for travel. What I want is for it to run efficiently when unplugged, but no, even when browsing the web, it will become blazing hot and drain the battery in an hour or two.