GPUs & CPUs & Enthusiast hardware: Questions, Discussion and fanboy slap-fights - Nvidia & AMD & Intel - Separe but Equal. Intel rides in the back of the bus.

[milk]

I haven’t purchased hardware in a while so I don’t know about company reputations right now, I am definitely going to get a 5090, but the question is.. should I get the Founders Edition, or go for a third party one such as ASUS or MSI?

 

[President Joe Biden]

it certainly is part of the shilling material, I'm seeing an awful lot of BRO 4090 PERFORMANCE FOR $500 conveniently not mentioning the 4x framegen. but hey graph is higher that's all that matters.


fake input for fake frames. at some point people will pay $3000 to watch a game play itself instead of watching a stream...

Playstations are really that expensive now?

 

[The Mass Shooter Ron Soye]

they are showing in their own benchmarks that the gains compared with the 4090 are with gimmicks, without the gimmicks they are showing a 20% gains at best

AMD need to start reconsidering their strategy because at this rate there is no reason to get their cards unless they go for like 400 buck top

I don't believe AMD is so doomed if you dismiss the gimmicks and fake frames. It's plausible for the 9070 XT to match at least the 5070 (the 4090 killer!). With 16 GB VRAM instead of 12. They will not gain much market share with a -10% price strategy but the MSRP might end up at $500.

If the people decide these gimmicks are actually mature technology, then AMD has a problem. Nvidia is now allowing its software to override older versions of DLSS in some cases, so adoption may be rapid.

20% is an underestimate for the 5090. It has 33% more cores, and 78% more bandwidth from the 512-bit bus and GDDR7. The TSMC "4NP" process used may be slightly better than the previous "4N", but they had to increase the die size by 22% (744mm^2 vs. 608.5mm^2). That's much closer to the reticle limit, and these "consumer" chips should have some cores disabled as usual.

Hot take: The APU/Handheld PCs are advancing rapidly enough to make the 60 series and below pointless.

If you stop caring about resolutions above 1080p, then you have a target that isn't moving fast or far. Handhelds need a little more performance to hit 60 FPS more often, and much better efficiency.

I haven’t purchased hardware in a while so I don’t know about company reputations right now, I am definitely going to get a 5090, but the question is.. should I get the Founders Edition, or go for a third party one such as ASUS or MSI?

Like last gen, I think you want to snap up a Founders Edition at MSRP ASAP. AIB models could be more expensive with worse cooling. Check a review or two first.

* AMD preparing Ryzen 8040HX “Dragon Range Refresh” - X3D-less refreshes of Zen 4 desktop in laptops (or mini-PCs).
* XFX teases January 24 Radeon RX 9070 news and confirms “Navi 48” GPU ASUS has new box design for RDNA4 series - J24 the real announcement date? In the comments, 9070 XT is seen apparently outperforming 7900 XTX in a Black Ops 6 benchmark.
* AMD officially introduces Ryzen 5 9600 non-X: 6 Zen5 cores and 65W TDP at 5.2 GHz
* Alphacool unveils first GeForce RTX 5090/5080 waterblocks, including enterprise variants
* MSI announces GeForce RTX 5090 Special Edition GPUs with up to five fans
* Snapdragon X Arm chips are coming to the desktop PC market — Lenovo launches two new mini-PCs powered by Qualcomm
* Lenovo is bringing its rollable, expandable-screen laptop to market – ThinkBook Plus Gen 6’s display gets taller with the press of a button or the wave of a hand

 

[milk]

What's the use-case for that extendable laptop??

 

[Mister Fister]

Jensen Huang missed the chance to call DLSS 4, DLSSDD for a double dose of pimpin'

 

[Susanna]

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I still find stupid that the not ridiculous big version is Founder edition exclusive

That's been the case for a while now. I'm into SFF, and that means I either get a low-end card with an aircooler that fits in my case, or a high-end Nvidia FE card I then have to install a water block on, because those are the only models that don't have ridiculously big PCBs. AMD in particular are ridiculous about this, if you remove the cooler from just about any of their high-end cards you'll see that half the PCB isn't even populated.

Yeah yeah, the 4090FE fits in my A4-H2O with its stock air cooler, but it's such a tight fit it doesn't really get much airflow at all. The water block isn't really optional.

 

[The Mass Shooter Ron Soye]

What's the use-case for that extendable laptop??

I guess cooooding, reading 8.5x11 documents, and comics. I've been thinking about getting a rotating display next to my main one.

 

[Susanna]

It does look more ergonomic.

 

[The Ugly One]

What's the use-case for that extendable laptop??

Not craning your neck down?

 

[4090 Chad]

but the question is.. should I get the Founders Edition, or go for a third party one such as ASUS or MSI?

100% the founders edition. It appears the third party cards are all going to be giant thick boys like the 4090 was.

 

[The Mass Shooter Ron Soye]

Ars Technica: Bye-bye Windows gaming? SteamOS officially expands past the Steam Deck. (archive)

Almost exactly a year ago, we were publicly yearning for the day when more portable gaming PC makers could ditch Windows in favor of SteamOS (without having to resort to touchy unofficial workarounds). Now, that day has finally come, with Lenovo announcing the upcoming Legion Go S as the first non-Valve handheld to come with an officially licensed copy of SteamOS preinstalled. And Valve promises that it will soon ship a beta version of SteamOS for users to "download and test themselves."

Finally the year of the thing

 

[The Backwards Man]

Ars Technica: Bye-bye Windows gaming? SteamOS officially expands past the Steam Deck. (archive)

Finally the year of the thing

Year of the 1% OS marketshare.

 

[The Mass Shooter Ron Soye]

Year of the 1% OS marketshare.

2.2%, marching on to 2.5%!

 

[#lurker]

The current iteration of DLSS 2 really doesn't

Very funny reading back this comment when watching new videos showing DLSS4 improvements, where you can see all the ghosting, smearing, noise, etc. of the current iteration.

 

[macrodegenerate]

Very funny reading back this comment when watching new videos showing DLSS4 improvements, where you can see all the ghosting, smearing, noise, etc. of the current iteration.

It's the year 2060 at a panel at CES, Nvidia unveils their new RTX-20000 series.

"Let's give the $9001 20090 a spin shall we?".

An assistant rolls up a desktop hooked up to a generac sized PSU. With a flick of a switch, the machines quantum CPU capable of light speed processing whurs to life, and Windows Forever boots. A ghastly and horrific noise can be heard coming from the PSU as something resembling a jet engine can be heard coming from inside the desktop, the assistant doesn't react, he doesn't hear it, he hasn't heard anything in a while. Although he does feel the rising temperature. He manages to click a single icon. By the end of the demo, nothing remains of the assistant, his body since turned to ash and blown away via Nvidia's new Founders edition cooler.

"So as you can see this new architecture gets 120 FPS in 16K playing Cyberpunk 2077, that's a 4 FPS improvement over our last GPU."

 

[LegoTugboat]

It's the year 2060 at a panel at CES, Nvidia unveils their new RTX-20000 series.

"Let's give the $9001 20090 a spin shall we?".

An assistant rolls up a desktop hooked up to a generac sized PSU. With a flick of a switch, the machines quantum CPU capable of light speed processing whurs to life, and Windows Forever boots. A ghastly and horrific noise can be heard coming from the PSU as something resembling a jet engine can be heard coming from inside the desktop, the assistant doesn't react, he doesn't hear it, he hasn't heard anything in a while. Although he does feel the rising temperature. He manages to click a single icon. By the end of the demo, nothing remains of the assistant, his body since turned to ash and blown away via Nvidia's new Founders edition cooler.

"So as you can see this new architecture gets 120 FPS in 16K playing Cyberpunk 2077, that's a 4 FPS improvement over our last GPU."

They'll skip the middle man and just let you plug it straight into the sun itself.

With a proprietary adapter.

 

[#lurker]

"that's a 4 FPS improvement over our last GPU."

*only achievable using AI generated frames

 

[Gerelatha]

It's the year 2060 at a panel at CES, Nvidia unveils their new RTX-20000 series.

"Let's give the $9001 20090 a spin shall we?".

An assistant rolls up a desktop hooked up to a generac sized PSU. With a flick of a switch, the machines quantum CPU capable of light speed processing whurs to life, and Windows Forever boots. A ghastly and horrific noise can be heard coming from the PSU as something resembling a jet engine can be heard coming from inside the desktop, the assistant doesn't react, he doesn't hear it, he hasn't heard anything in a while. Although he does feel the rising temperature. He manages to click a single icon. By the end of the demo, nothing remains of the assistant, his body since turned to ash and blown away via Nvidia's new Founders edition cooler.

"So as you can see this new architecture gets 120 FPS in 16K playing Cyberpunk 2077, that's a 4 FPS improvement over our last GPU."

and AMD would still find a way to sell something worse

 

[The Mass Shooter Ron Soye]

VideoCardz: AMD Navi 48 RDNA4 GPU for Radeon RX 9070 pictured, may exceed NVIDIA AD103 size

They estimated the size to be approximately 390 mm². This makes it larger than the Navi 32 (346 mm²) but smaller than the Navi 31 (529 mm²). Interestingly, it is also slightly larger than NVIDIA’s AD103 GPU (379 mm²), which powers the RTX 4080 series.

Chips and Cheese: Digging into Driver Overhead on Intel's B580 (archive)

 

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Chips and Cheese: Digging into Driver Overhead on Intel's B580 (archive)

Their GPUs tend to handle well on lower end systems, and don't excessively rely on PCIe Resizeable BAR to achieve high performance.

In the year 2024. Intel. Is SERIOUSLY relying on a feature introduced as part of PCI-E 3.0 in 2008.

Un. Fucking. Believable. Do they think that the only customers for their expensive GPUs are MADE OF MONEY? Not everyone can buy a new motherboard more than four times a century,