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I actually meant inside the bottom, next to the PSU. But I see now that with the HDD cage you probably don’t have the room for that.
You cancelled the order for the Corsair case? Look into the Fractal Torrent or Fractal North. Both are well-designed cases with excellent ventilation preinstalled, you don’t need to buy additional fans for either of them.
I canceled the fans that I was going to use to add more fans into the case, P12 Max 5 pack so that I can re-evaluate how much fans to add into the 4000D. Its not leaving anytime soon. Unless my friend wants it and I can afford a Fractal North because holy fucking shit these things cost the same as a regular B650 motherboard.

I also forgot that the HDD case is actually detachable lmao.
 
I canceled the fans that I was going to use to add more fans into the case, P12 Max 5 pack so that I can re-evaluate how much fans to add into the 4000D. Its not leaving anytime soon. Unless my friend wants it and I can afford a Fractal North because holy fucking shit these things cost the same as a regular B650 motherboard.

I also forgot that the HDD case is actually detachable lmao.
So you have four 120mm fans now? What I would do is put three of them in the front, and one at the rear (the slot behind the CPU cooler). That way you'll get positive pressure and straightforward airflow (air comes in from the front and supplies the CPU, GPU, and motherboard surface with cool air, CPU air is exhausted directly at the back and GPU air is exhausted through the back and top.
Also take the dust filters out of the top if there are any. Only fan mounts that actually take in air need filters, you won't get any more dust without the top filter, it will just marginally improve airflow.

If you don't really want the North because of how pretty it is, I would just keep the Corsair case. It's perfectly adequate, the Fractals just have great fans and airflow preinstalled.
 
So you have four 120mm fans now? What I would do is put three of them in the front, and one at the rear (the slot behind the CPU cooler). That way you'll get positive pressure and straightforward airflow (air comes in from the front and supplies the CPU, GPU, and motherboard surface with cool air, CPU air is exhausted directly at the back and GPU air is exhausted through the back and top.
Also take the dust filters out of the top if there are any. Only fan mounts that actually take in air need filters, you won't get any more dust without the top filter, it will just marginally improve airflow.

If you don't really want the North because of how pretty it is, I would just keep the Corsair case. It's perfectly adequate, the Fractals just have great fans and airflow preinstalled.
I still have the stock fans. I am currently re-adjusting my order so that I have enough fans without overpaying for it. I should have just have 5 P12 Max fans with a fan hub next week, using the stock fans for exhaust on the top and the rest of the P12s occupying the 1 rear as exhaust, 3 front and 1 bottom as intake (while removing the HDD hub near the PSU, still have to find a way to connect the fan there since there is no screws on it). I do like the North but as I said, damn what a really hefty price. Its like the price of the 4000D and the Lian Li Lancool 207 combined lol.
 
I still have the stock fans. I am currently re-adjusting my order so that I have enough fans without overpaying for it. I should have just have 5 P12 Max fans with a fan hub next week, using the stock fans for exhaust on the top and the rest of the P12s occupying the 1 rear as exhaust, 3 front and 1 bottom as intake (while removing the HDD hub near the PSU, still have to find a way to connect the fan there since there is no screws on it). I do like the North but as I said, damn what a really hefty price. Its like the price of the 4000D and the Lian Li Lancool 207 combined lol.
In that case, at least lock the top fans to the lowest speed. You don't need them and having them actually remove significant amounts of air will harm your cooling, especially the front one (the air path for the first front fan will literally be right out the frist top fan, without having passed any components at all.
 
Right now the only games that aren't comfortably playable on modern midrange cards are AAA slop that's horribly unoptimized and just not very fun.

AAA slop plays just fine on a PS5, which basically has a midrange GPU from 2023, and much of it on a PS4, which has a midrange GPU from 2014. A game you can't play comfortably on a midrange card is more likely to be some obscure indie title utilizing Unity assets in a completely retarded way, like that city simulation game from Paradox that used hilariously detailed models for individual citizens, or a user mod for a game where some moron imported models directly from Blender without reducing the vertex count and added 500,000 polygon hats to all the enemies.
 
I don't understand why AMD isn't going high end since they ostensibly are doing GPU chiplets, high end should be the one area they obviously have an advantage. Makes me think NVIDIA has pictures of someone or something and AMD isn't actually playing their side of the field.
GPU chiplets scale terribly the higher you go, an AMD 4090 equivalent would pro have been chugging back 800w and been quite unstable.
 
will have to switch Visual Studio for Rider but apparently Rider is pretty competent and sometimes even better.
I've been using Rider since EAP and it's very competent up against Visual Studio. It's not super great if you work with Forms a lot, but it can do previewing of WPF applications and probably supports Forms previewing now. Performance and responsiveness absolutely shits all over Visual Studio, especially considering how slow ReSharper is.

It's a memory hog though and the new wannabe VS Code UI is complete dogshit. You can restore the old UI with a plugin https://plugins.jetbrains.com/plugin/24468-classic-ui
 
God dammit i wish amd would sort out their shitty driver its takes them forever to release them and they always have problems I have to rollback to months ago just to get a stable experience :roll:
 
NVIDIA Confirms RTX 50 Gaming GPUs Native “Non-DLSS” RT Uplifts: RTX 5090 30% Faster Than 4090, 5080 15% Faster Than 4080, 5070 Ti & 5070 20% Faster Than 4070 Ti & 4070
  • GeForce RTX 5090 vs RTX 4090 (Native RT / No DLSS) = +30%
  • GeForce RTX 5080 vs RTX 4080 (Native RT / No DLSS) = +15%
  • GeForce RTX 5070 Ti vs RTX 4070 Ti (Native RT / No DLSS) = +20%
  • GeForce RTX 5070 vs RTX 4070 (Native RT / No DLSS) = +20%
Not sure if this was explicitly stated or from scrutinizing the graphs.
So they weren’t comparing the 50 series to the updated super versions of each card? If that’s the case then the performance uplift numbers are actually even worse that at least for the 5070 and 5070ti.
 
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So they weren’t comparing the 50 series to the updated super versions of each card? If that’s the case then the performance uplift numbers are actually even worse that at least for the 5070 and 5070ti.
compared to the supers these really aren't more than 5% at most, especially if you don't include the DLSS. a decent OC gets you there.
 
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NVIDIA Confirms RTX 50 Gaming GPUs Native “Non-DLSS” RT Uplifts: RTX 5090 30% Faster Than 4090, 5080 15% Faster Than 4080, 5070 Ti & 5070 20% Faster Than 4070 Ti & 4070
  • GeForce RTX 5090 vs RTX 4090 (Native RT / No DLSS) = +30%
  • GeForce RTX 5080 vs RTX 4080 (Native RT / No DLSS) = +15%
  • GeForce RTX 5070 Ti vs RTX 4070 Ti (Native RT / No DLSS) = +20%
  • GeForce RTX 5070 vs RTX 4070 (Native RT / No DLSS) = +20%
Not sure if this was explicitly stated or from scrutinizing the graphs.
Nvidia wiping their ass with gamer bux yet again. But it's all good. Just turn on 4x interpolation bullshit and suddenly 5070 = 4090, didn't you read the marketing?

Oh, what's that? The game(s) you play don't support it or are buggy? Must be an AMD sponsored title. Anyways buy our next card.
 
NVIDIA Confirms RTX 50 Gaming GPUs Native “Non-DLSS” RT Uplifts: RTX 5090 30% Faster Than 4090, 5080 15% Faster Than 4080, 5070 Ti & 5070 20% Faster Than 4070 Ti & 4070
  • GeForce RTX 5090 vs RTX 4090 (Native RT / No DLSS) = +30%
  • GeForce RTX 5080 vs RTX 4080 (Native RT / No DLSS) = +15%
  • GeForce RTX 5070 Ti vs RTX 4070 Ti (Native RT / No DLSS) = +20%
  • GeForce RTX 5070 vs RTX 4070 (Native RT / No DLSS) = +20%
Not sure if this was explicitly stated or from scrutinizing the graphs.
Yeah, something tells my I made the right choice picking up an RTX 4070 Ti Super when I did.
 
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The game(s) you play don't support it
thats another part people don't seem to understand, if you read through the list of games that support DLSS 3.5 and will most likely support DLSS 4, they're mostly shit, and as we showed the only reason to buy a 5000 series card vs a 4000 super is if you want to play those games.

NVidia's entire strategy is hoping every fucker will want to play StarField and Concord so badly at good frame rates they'll buy this card. which is retarded
 
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thats another part people don't seem to understand, if you read through the list of games that support DLSS 3.5 and will most likely support DLSS 4, they're mostly shit

It's nearly every game that has come out in the last couple years. The market of people paying $1000 for a GPU so they can play Skyrim at 8K is probably vanishing small.
 
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I have an EVGA, sucks that I need a way to find and boot windows just to update it.
If it's a relatively simple update utility, you may be able to get away with live booting HBCD PE and running the utility inside of that. It's not guaranteed to work as WinPE is so cut down, but I've had success with this method when updating firmware on Dell servers.
 
It's nearly every game that has come out in the last couple years. The market of people paying $1000 for a GPU so they can play Skyrim at 8K is probably vanishing small.
Jumping from Skyrim at 720p to Skyrim at 8K (36x the pixels) is going to be so epic.

The game you were thinking of was Cities: Skylines II. I think I heard that game was notoriously sensitive to single-core, even though it can use 4 cores, 8 threads. There will be software and games like that forever.

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Going from a 970 to a 2070 after a few years, and then getting a 3080ti after the 4000s were released, I think I may sit out until after they announce/release whatever the 2030's first generation of cards is called. I don't see a point anymore.
It feels like we've stagnated and are just increasing VRAM/cuda/RT cores because pajeetification is so bad in Unreal Engine 5 modern game engines that there's no passion or push for new tech.
 
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