GPUs & CPUs & Enthusiast hardware: Questions, Discussion and fanboy slap-fights - Nvidia & AMD & Intel - Separe but Equal. Intel rides in the back of the bus.

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Mister Fister said:
I'm happy to see stuff like Clair Obscure and other AAs start displacing AAA games. MBAs have ruined the AAA studios.
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Probably one of the positives of ue5 is that we can get more interesting games from different publishers and still have good graphics. The stutter sucks tho.
@The Ugly One I will concede on the rt point only because doom the dark ages and indiana jones run pretty well on most hardware even without upscaling. So in that way you were correct hopefully these full ray traced games continue to deliver.
 
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Stratos Sphere said:
Probably one of the positives of ue5 is that we can get more interesting games from different publishers and still have good graphics. The stutter sucks tho.
@The Ugly One I will concede on the rt point only because doom the dark ages and indiana jones run pretty well on most hardware even without upscaling. So in that way you were correct hopefully these full ray traced games continue to deliver.
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It's Path Tracing which is the computer melter.
 
Mister Fister said:
It's Path Tracing which is the computer melter.
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At this point i think path tracing is actually a meme. With RT generally I can see the improvements, even though there are games where the effect is less pronounce.d Path tracing I've never been able o see it even with the DF 200% zooms. Obviously its going to be the next thing devs chase but who knows maybe something else will come out that invalidates it.
 
rapecel said:
I've seen a lot of people say he doesn't know what he's talking about, but I've never seen somebody make anything substantial. It's always something tangential.
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He knows a lot of what he's talking about but often exaggerates the downsides of certain approaches and is extremely combative if you try to actually engage in discussion.

I think the funniest thing is that he hates everything about UE5's feature set and development priorities and yet he's stubbornly still using UE5 and if you try to suggest to him to not use UE5 he just ignores you.

rapecel said:
Forgot to mention that I've also seen people say that he went to the graphics programming discord server and said that he doesn't know any graphics programming, but I haven't seen any screenshots myself.
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He's been banned from a lot of the discords for being a dick. If you look at his post history on UE5 forums, a lot of his replies have been deleted by mods for similar reasons.

TI is mostly popular because he panders to certain biases that the non-technical gaming userbase wants to hear. They desperately want there to be some kind of simple explanation for why games seem to run so badly nowadays and he presents a simple narrative that gives them someone to blame other than the vague market and business forces that govern AAA game development. It's a lot easier to be mad and feel vindicated about, "stupid devs not doing this one simple trick" rather than the general corporate enshittification that comes in any industry with too much capex and too little margin.
 
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Stratos Sphere said:
@The Ugly One I will concede on the rt point only because doom the dark ages and indiana jones run pretty well on most hardware even without upscaling. So in that way you were correct hopefully these full ray traced games continue to deliver.
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The first few games we saw it in had it tacked on after the fact, which means that the maps & assets weren't tested with it, which in turn means there were areas that ran like crap due to not being designed with current-gen hardware. Both Diablo IV and MW 2019 run mostly at 60 fps+ on my 6700 XT with RT on, but they have areas that suddenly drop to 10 fps or worse. Games built with RT from the ground up need to run well on a PS5, which is basically a 6650 XT, so devs necessarily will be a little more careful about what they do.

Stratos Sphere said:
At this point i think path tracing is actually a meme. With RT generally I can see the improvements, even though there are games where the effect is less pronounce.d Path tracing I've never been able o see it even with the DF 200% zooms. Obviously its going to be the next thing devs chase but who knows maybe something else will come out that invalidates it.
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Nearly every game that has raytracing is hybridizing rasterization and raytracing. Cyberpunk 2077 in "Overdrive" is the only game I know that has an option to use no rasterization at all. "Psycho" mode is not path-traced from what I understand.

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Like people will point out, it's not that the rasterized scenes looks like utter barf. Nor does the Psycho mode look "bad." But Overdrive is clearly getting things a lot more correct than anything else.

Fcret said:
He knows a lot of what he's talking about but often exaggerates the downsides of certain approaches and is extremely combative if you try to actually engage in discussion.
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In other words, he's a smart guy in his twenties.
 
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I have an AMD Raedon 6600 XT card. Does anyone know if it can run Doom The Dark Ages at a stable 60 FPS at 1080P on, say, mid to high end settings?
 
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Darth Insanius said:
I have an AMD Raedon 6600 XT card. Does anyone know if it can run Doom The Dark Ages at a stable 60 FPS at 1080P on, say, mid to high end settings?
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The Steam requirements break things down more nowdays
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A base 6600 will be 1080p60 on low, but a 6600 XT might be able to jump up to medium in some settings since high is a base 6800.

Also I'm kinda surprised to see a game explicitly require 8 cores in its minimum spec.
 
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got my 5090 recently and have been messing around with it, card responds very nicely to an undervolt, dropping 150-200w off the sustained power draw in some cases with almost imperceptible performance loss, these things really are juiced to the gills out of the box
 
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The Ugly One said:
In other words, he's a smart guy in his twenties.
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I remember being in my early 20s and thinking that if we all just switched to Free (as in freedom) Software and accepted enlightened programming languages like Common Lisp and Haskell, then we would achieve tech nirvana. And I'd go online and shittalk winbabbies and itoddlers from my T420 running Arch Linux.

I mean I still think a lot of that but I've moderated a lot too.
 
Is a 600 USD 5070 a retarded buy? I was gonna go with the 9070 xt but it's ( real) price is too stupid for me.
 
ovenmath said:
Is a 600 USD 5070 a retarded buy? I was gonna go with the 9070 xt but it's ( real) price is too stupid for me.
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Any reason you're not considering an RX 9070 (not-XT)? They're around the same price as a 5070 and you get more VRAM and better raw perf.

Also GPU prices are trickling downwards towards MSRP so if you wait a month or two you'll probably be able to get a 9070 XT for MSRP.

I don't think the 5070 is really worth 600. I barely think it's worth the $550 MSRP.

If you can wait you should. If you can't, a $600 5070 isn't the worst deal if the alternative is not having a GPU at all or something.
 
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We all know AMD is going to change their naming scheme with their next GPUs, probably their CPUs too. They're just that shit at naming products.

Whenever the base 60-class card outperforms what I have will probably be when I start to think about upgrading. So at this rate I'll be fine for the next 15 years.
 
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