GPUs & CPUs & Enthusiast hardware: Questions, Discussion and fanboy slap-fights - Nvidia & AMD & Intel - Separe but Equal. Intel rides in the back of the bus.

[The Mass Shooter Ron Soye]

Amazon is currently selling this Chinesium mini for a nice discount. $100 off this 6-core Ryzen box, so about $350:

https://www.amazon.com/GMKtec-M6-Desktop-Computer-Preinstalled/dp/B0D2X1G4K8/

For casual home use (not gaming), it's a nice machine.

https://slickdeals.net/newsearch.php?src=SearchBarV2&searcharea=deals&searchin=first&q=GMKtec%206600H

Slickdeals shows a $280-290 price but it's for 16 GB DDR5 with 512 GB SSD instead of 32 GB and 1 TB. Memory is SO-DIMM, 2x DDR5-4800.

 

[DeadwastePrime]

ewaste

dont misgender me

 

[The Mass Shooter Ron Soye]

@The Ugly One in the wake of automotive (archive) and other layoffs (archive) at Intel, Wccfkek (archive) is sharing some supposed anonymous Intel threads from thelayoff.com. If nothing else, it led me to archive this Infinity Pride Month page:

Why Pride Needs to Be Supported Every Day—Not Just in June (archive) (ghost) (mega) (wayback)


https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1ujWCktY (archive)


https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1jvn6w5f8 (archive)

 

[The Ugly One]

https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1ujWCktY (archive)

I would say Krzanich was even worse than I thought, except this all tracks with him redirecting at least $300m away from R&D and into DEI.

A point my dad made over and over again about this DEI stuff is that if a CEO makes literally anything other than the success of the business the focus of his attention, the business will fail. DEI happens to be especially toxic and political, but if your CEO decides his #1 mission is to have the nicest buildings of any company in the industry, it will enervate the company in its own way.

 

[Slav Power]

Tech Grug got waste of sand. Tech Grug went ooga. Beat Jensen with big stick.

 

[The Mass Shooter Ron Soye]

Tech Grug got waste of sand. Tech Grug went ooga. Beat Jensen with big stick.

It's probably not a literal waste of sand.

GB206 in the 5060 Ti and 5060 is 181 mm^2.
GB207 in the 5050 is smaller (unknown die area, could be 100-130).
GDDR7 bandwidth didn't help several Blackwell cards, so they use GDDR6 here (G7 in laptop 5050 for power efficiency).

What they did is seemingly cut costs by a lot relative to the 5060, but didn't pass the savings onto the gayymer. They also limit use cases by requiring an 8-pin, something also pointed out by Grug, not just me this time. It's entirely possible Nvidia makes a 5050 6GB ~75W following in the footsteps of the 3050 6GB.

VRAM is the other way to call it a waste of sand, if you're unable to accept an 8 GB card in 2025 (meanwhile I'm looking at 4 GB cards on ebay).

ETA: Some people are calling the RTX 5050 desktop card an Nvidia conspiracy to deprive AMD of precious GDDR6 supply, since the 5050 could be high volume (in OEM PCs at least).

 

[marvlouslie]

I've been running a Ryzen 5 5600 + RX 580 for the last four years, and honestly, I'm quite surprised at how well it's held up (the RX 580 8gig). I tend to play a lot of newer games at 1080p Low / Medium settings (depending on what I can get away with), and the games that can't run very well on it, well, I have a PS5 for that reason. I know in the next year, I'm going to have to build a new rig. Mostly due to both this card reaching its end of life, and Windows 10 kicking the bucket as well. It's sad, but I'm still going to end up using this PC as a home theater / emulation setup in the next year going forward.

 

[Fcret]

I've been running a Ryzen 5 5600 + RX 580 for the last four years, and honestly, I'm quite surprised at how well it's held up (the RX 580 8gig). I tend to play a lot of newer games at 1080p Low / Medium settings (depending on what I can get away with), and the games that can't run very well on it, well, I have a PS5 for that reason. I know in the next year, I'm going to have to build a new rig. Mostly due to both this card reaching its end of life, and Windows 10 kicking the bucket as well. It's sad, but I'm still going to end up using this PC as a home theater / emulation setup in the next year going forward.

The 5600 is a fairly modern CPU and should work just fine with Windows 11. All you really need is a GPU upgrade.

 

[Bogan]

The 5600 is a fairly modern CPU and should work just fine with Windows 11

I can confirm the 5600 works on Windows 11. All they'd have to do is buy a 9060 XT and a grey-market Windows 11 key. If a CPU upgrade is even necessary, a used 5800X3D would work.

 

[analrapist]

The 5600 is a fairly modern CPU and should work just fine with Windows 11. All you really need is a GPU upgrade.

I run a 5700G, no extra GPU. Works just fine for Windows 11. You only need a GPU upgrade for some kinds of gaymen.

 

[marvlouslie]

The 5600 is a fairly modern CPU and should work just fine with Windows 11. All you really need is a GPU upgrade.

Eh. The sad thing is that my motherboard is PCIe 3.0. I'd be missing out on performance if I throw something like a newer 9060 in here. I've already got the TPM module set when I upgraded. Is there some kind of other setting I need to flip a switch on?

Edit: The only thing I'm missing is flipping a switch on "Secure Boot", and I'm not quite sure how to do that. Oh. Nevermind. It says "unsupported". Oh well. My only recourse is to build a new rig.

 

[Fcret]

Eh. The sad thing is that my motherboard is PCIe 3.0. I'd be missing out on performance if I throw something like a newer 9060 in here. I've already got the TPM module set when I upgraded. Is there some kind of other setting I need to flip a switch on?

Edit: The only thing I'm missing is flipping a switch on "Secure Boot", and I'm not quite sure how to do that. Oh. Nevermind. It says "unsupported". Oh well. My only recourse is to build a new rig.

You don't need secureboot to install Windows 11. Your PC needs to be capable of it but it doesn't need to be turned on.

Did you install Windows 10 in legacy MBR/BIOS mode? You'll likely have to do a complete reinstall to move to Windows 11 in that case. As far as I know, Windows 11 only supports booting from GPT partitions using UEFI now.

 

[Bogan]

Eh. The sad thing is that my motherboard is PCIe 3.0. I'd be missing out on performance if I throw something like a newer 9060 in here. I've already got the TPM module set when I upgraded. Is there some kind of other setting I need to flip a switch on?

Edit: The only thing I'm missing is flipping a switch on "Secure Boot", and I'm not quite sure how to do that. Oh. Nevermind. It says "unsupported". Oh well. My only recourse is to build a new rig.

HUB did some texting for the RX 9060 XT on PCie 3.0, 4.0, and 5.0 and the performance gap isn't as bad as you'd think if you get the 16GB model. Usually the performance gap between PCie generations is about 2-4% on average.

On the other hand, you got a pretty good run out of your system. I did a quick PCPP'er check and seems like other than GPUs prices on most components are staying steady despite the tariff panic.

 

[marvlouslie]

HUB did some texting for the RX 9060 XT on PCie 3.0, 4.0, and 5.0 and the performance gap isn't as bad as you'd think if you get the 16GB model. Usually the performance gap between PCie generations is about 2-4% on average.

On the other hand, you got a pretty good run out of your system. I did a quick PCPP'er check and seems like other than GPUs prices on most components are staying steady despite the tariff panic.

Yeah. 4-6 years is pretty good shelf life for a gaming rig these days, though in my next build I'm still planning on sticking with AM4, and I'm likely going to just throw a 9060 in it and be done with it. I can always upgrade GPUs later. If I can find a 5900X for a decent price, that'll be the processor I go for. Some of these older processors are still quite viable despite being only a couple of years old.

 

[Bogan]

though in my next build I'm still planning on sticking with AM4,

That seems like a waste of performance if you're building a new rig from scratch. Otherwise you may as well buy a second-hand 5800X3D to pair with a 9060 XT. $200 for the CPU, another $350 for the GPU. Won't need to upgrade again until after AM6 releases.

 

[The Mass Shooter Ron Soye]

You don't need secureboot to install Windows 11. Your PC needs to be capable of it but it doesn't need to be turned on.

I think you need a proper install with TPM2.0 to get updates, or maybe you would need to reinstall whenever they toss out a major update (service pack). I don't want to use Win11.

HUB did some texting for the RX 9060 XT on PCie 3.0, 4.0, and 5.0 and the performance gap isn't as bad as you'd think if you get the 16GB model. Usually the performance gap between PCie generations is about 2-4% on average.

9060 XT's full PCIe x16 is unusual for a lower-mid range card, and could help it out a little. Whereas the 5060 Ti has PCIe x8, not a good choice for PCIe 3.0 boards, especially at 8 GB.

 

[Agent Abe Caprine]

I can confirm the 5600 works on Windows 11. All they'd have to do is buy a 9060 XT and a grey-market Windows 11 key. If a CPU upgrade is even necessary, a used 5800X3D would work.

Groupon has pro keys for 11 dollars.

 

[Fcret]

though in my next build I'm still planning on sticking with AM4

Do not build a new system on AM4. It's an EOL platform and even the lowly Ryzen 5 7600 outperforms the best AM4 X3D CPU. My advice is either toss in a 9060 XT with a (possibly secondhand) CPU upgrade or move to AM5.

The money you'd spend on an AM4 board would get you so much more buying into AM5 even if you have to put together an extra $100 or so for an AM5 build.

I don't want to use Win11.

Have you considered loonix? Compat is pretty good nowadays with games. You also strike me as a technical man so I'd assume most of the software you use to earn bread also runs fine on linux or has an alternative that does.

 

[The Mass Shooter Ron Soye]

Have you considered loonix? Compat is pretty good nowadays with games. You also strike me as a technical man so I'd assume most of the software you use to earn bread also runs fine on linux or has an alternative that does.

I had trouble installing Linux on a locked to hell OEM Acer PC so I may switch to a more friendly system first, such as a Dell OptiPlex I have lying around. I play games too infrequently, and games that are too old, to care much about compatibility.

 

[marvlouslie]

That seems like a waste of performance if you're building a new rig from scratch. Otherwise you may as well buy a second-hand 5800X3D to pair with a 9060 XT. $200 for the CPU, another $350 for the GPU. Won't need to upgrade again until after AM6 releases.

Honestly, if I can get a Ryzen 9 7900X for a decent price, I'll probably go that route. It just depends on what's available by the time I'm ready to make my new build and if I've made enough payments to shit to where I can save up a little bit for maybe a 9070.