GPUs & CPUs & Enthusiast hardware: Questions, Discussion and fanboy slap-fights - Nvidia & AMD & Intel - Separe but Equal. Intel rides in the back of the bus.

[Fcret]

If his monitor is only HDMI 2.1, he's limited to just 188 fps at 4K, which is basically unplayable in modern games.

If you're not playing 8k360hz with Nvidia Quantum Reflex technology which rewrites the timeline to send your inputs 3ms into the past then I don't even know how you can consider yourself a serious gamer.

 

[Betonhaus]

My monitor doesn’t even have any displayports.

My monitor came with a displayport cable. I would assume that any monitor that's a high resolution and/or refresh rate would come with one.

 

[Susanna]

My monitor came with a displayport cable. I would assume that any monitor that's a high resolution and/or refresh rate would come with one.

Well, my monitor is an LG C1 OLED TV. It does 4k@120, which is fine.

 

[Bogan]

Well, my monitor is an LG C1 OLED TV. It does 4k@120, which is fine.

You use a TV as a monitor?

 

[The Mass Shooter Ron Soye]

Remember that the average person doesn't even know how limited HDMI is compared to DisplayPort, nor to they give a shit. A Twitch streamer is that, but with an extra chromosome.

HDMI 2.2 will go to 96 Gbps (if you have the right cable and equipment), which is 20% faster than DP 2.1.

Of course, the lead could be short-lived if another DisplayPort is released in a couple years. The easiest thing for them to do would be to copy "USB4 2.0" which has an asymmetric mode over USB-C cables allowing 120 Gbps one way and 40 Gbps the other way. Your 16K 240 Hz monitor demands it.

 

[The Ugly One]

If you're not playing 8k360hz with Nvidia Quantum Reflex technology which rewrites the timeline to send your inputs 3ms into the past then I don't even know how you can consider yourself a serious gamer.

hahahahahaha imagine being a quantum reflex peasant, they just use AI to fake time dilation so lazy devs don't have to properly optimize their microrelativity code

 

[mizutsune]

My monitor doesn’t even have any displayports.

I mean that's completely understandable, though with a $2000-$3000 card I don't see why he specifically wouldn't have a compatible one

 

[WelperHelper99]

If you're not playing 8k360hz with Nvidia Quantum Reflex technology which rewrites the timeline to send your inputs 3ms into the past then I don't even know how you can consider yourself a serious gamer.

I'm still playing in 1080p 60HZ with my 10 dollar thrift store monitor, get on my level.

 

[Susanna]

You use a TV as a monitor?

Yep! Switched over to a 48" TV from having three 24" normal monitors a few years ago. It's much less hassle, and gives me the same desktop size. 100% scaling etc.

 

[Betonhaus]

Yep! Switched over to a 48" TV from having three 24" normal monitors a few years ago. It's much less hassle, and gives me the same desktop size. 100% scaling etc.

Plus it has built in Netflix and ads

 

[#lurker]

Plus it has built in Netflix and ads

Only if you're a retard who plugs his TV into the internet.

 

[StacticShock]

Wait for Zen 6 X3D to play Dwarf Fortress with 144 MiB L3 cache

AMD said they still want to milk out AM5 by 2027, 2 years i guess.

I'm still playing in 1080p 60HZ with my 10 dollar thrift store monitor, get on my level.

imagine not using a VGA/HDMI converter for your 15" monitor that has two usb ports so that you don't even need to worry about the power cable for anything other than your computer, AOC be weird sometimes, man, they made a monitor that isn't shit.

 

[WelperHelper99]

AMD said they still want to milk out AM5 by 2027, 2 years i guess.

imagine not using a VGA/HDMI converter for your 15" monitor that has two usb ports so that you don't even need to worry about the power cable for anything other than your computer.

I actually do have a 17 inch 1024 monitor with a DP to VGA cable for my 3rd monitor lol. That was free, since I had the monitor for years

 

[The Mass Shooter Ron Soye]

AMD said they still want to milk out AM5 by 2027, 2 years i guess.

Zen 6 = AM5 socket, launching sometime in 2026. It will use 12-core unified CCX chiplets with 48 MiB L3 cache (from current 8-core and 32 MiB) made on TSMC N2X, for up to 24 cores. Possible additional 2 "Zen LP" cores in the I/O chiplet (TSMC N4C), technically giving you up to 26 cores, 52 threads. The I/O chiplet will be physically touching the CPU chiplets, with a silicon bridge connecting them, for lower latency than the basic chiplet design used since Zen 2. There's probably a bigger iGPU or NPU included.

Zen 3/4/5 X3D use a 64 MiB 1-layer cache chiplet, for 96 MiB total in a single CCD. Zen 6 X3D should bump that to 96 MiB for 144 MiB total. If they go 2-layer (doubt it), you'd get 240 MiB.

Zen 7 should be on the new AM6 socket, with DDR6 memory, use TSMC A14, for 16-core chiplets and up to 32 cores. So two core count increases in a row, . The consumer desktop version is not expected to disaggregate L3 cache from the CCD so maybe they'll bump it up to 64 MiB on a CCD.

 

[StacticShock]

Zen 6 = AM5 socket, launching sometime in 2026. It will use 12-core unified CCX chiplets with 48 MiB L3 cache (from current 8-core and 32 MiB) made on TSMC N2X, for up to 24 cores. Possible additional 2 "Zen LP" cores in the I/O chiplet (TSMC N4C), technically giving you up to 26 cores, 52 threads. The I/O chiplet will be physically touching the CPU chiplets, with a silicon bridge connecting them, for lower latency than the basic chiplet design used since Zen 2. There's probably a bigger iGPU or NPU included.

Zen 3/4/5 X3D use a 64 MiB 1-layer cache chiplet, for 96 MiB total in a single CCD. Zen 6 X3D should bump that to 96 MiB for 144 MiB total. If they go 2-layer (doubt it), you'd get 240 MiB.

Zen 7 should be on the new AM6 socket, with DDR6 memory, use TSMC A14, for 16-core chiplets and up to 32 cores. So two core count increases in a row, . The consumer desktop version is not expected to disaggregate L3 cache from the CCD so maybe they'll bump it up to 64 MiB on a CCD.

DON'T GIVE ME HOPE.
especially after they teased the fucking 5500X3D to my region at the fucking cost of a 5600 but with more L3, it's good for me since i play X4 anyway.

 

[Total Annihilation]

Building a new pc because a power surge fucked up my 5 year old build...
Deciding to go with a 9800x3d bundle from microcenter for $650 (upgrading the Mobo to a non-asus one, given asus has shit rma support here in the states), and 64gb ram (only can do rgb crap as part of the bundle, eh whatever).
Debating on a 9060 xt 16gb or 5060 ti 16gb, I only really play Microsoft Flight Sim 2024/2020 anymore, and that game loves CPU cache and vidya ram; I previously used lossless scaling on my RTX 3080 10gb that worked wonders for fram gen at 1440p and some 4k gaming. However given that I need a gpu right now, and that the price I'd pay most currently for a gpu ($1,000), doesn't give me more than 16gb vram; i'd prefer to wait. I'm fine with going for a lower level GPU as years ago I gave my old GTX 1080 to my nephew as an upgrade for him, and I eventually want to give whatever I get now to him once the higher VRAM cards are released next year or so.
I'm leaning AMD, as I really like what Lossless Scaling can do, and I've seen a buddy run MFG on his 5070 ti with a lot of ghosting and stuttering with frame gen on his flight sim setup, but I don't mind sticking with Team Green for now, figured I'd see what y'all think of this idea/which route to take (I'd probably go Nvidia still if EVGA was still around, but I've heard that XFX, Sapphire, and Powercolor are similar to EVGA for Team Red).

 

[The Ugly One]

What's MFG?

 

[WULULULULU]

What's MFG?

Multi-Frame Generation. Another added list of Nvidia's proprietary software.

 

[Bogan]

However given that I need a gpu right now, and that the price I'd pay most currently for a gpu ($1,000), doesn't give me more than 16gb vram

If you're fine with previous gen parts there's still stock of RX 7900 XT and XTX's available. Not for as cheap as they were but they're just under $1000 and you get 20 - 24GB of VRAM out of them.

For second-hand it's not that good. Used 4090's are still going for $2000.

Otherwise you could wait and see what NVidia does with the 50-series Super refreshes they're working on which are rumoured to be 18GB for the 5070 (Ti?) Super and 24GB for the 5080 Super. Dunno what the prices would be, but definitely won't be cheap.

 

[4090 Chad]

Building a new pc because a power surge fucked up my 5 year old build...
Deciding to go with a 9800x3d bundle from microcenter for $650 (upgrading the Mobo to a non-asus one, given asus has shit rma support here in the states), and 64gb ram (only can do rgb crap as part of the bundle, eh whatever).
Debating on a 9060 xt 16gb or 5060 ti 16gb, I only really play Microsoft Flight Sim 2024/2020 anymore, and that game loves CPU cache and vidya ram; I previously used lossless scaling on my RTX 3080 10gb that worked wonders for fram gen at 1440p and some 4k gaming. However given that I need a gpu right now, and that the price I'd pay most currently for a gpu ($1,000), doesn't give me more than 16gb vram; i'd prefer to wait. I'm fine with going for a lower level GPU as years ago I gave my old GTX 1080 to my nephew as an upgrade for him, and I eventually want to give whatever I get now to him once the higher VRAM cards are released next year or so.
I'm leaning AMD, as I really like what Lossless Scaling can do, and I've seen a buddy run MFG on his 5070 ti with a lot of ghosting and stuttering with frame gen on his flight sim setup, but I don't mind sticking with Team Green for now, figured I'd see what y'all think of this idea/which route to take (I'd probably go Nvidia still if EVGA was still around, but I've heard that XFX, Sapphire, and Powercolor are similar to EVGA for Team Red).

I’d stick with Nvidia if the 5060ti is within $50 of the 9060XT