GPUs & CPUs & Enthusiast hardware: Questions, Discussion and fanboy slap-fights - Nvidia & AMD & Intel - Separe but Equal. Intel rides in the back of the bus.

[Smaug's Smokey Hole]

i'd be pretty stunned if nshitia actually crammed 8 gigs of vram into the 3060 and not the SUPER refresh in 2021 or whatever the fuck. i'm certain that they, along with amd, suddenly realized how important vram was going to become over the next few years, so after dropping midrange 8gb cards like the 480/580 and the 1070, suddenly the 1660 series and the non-super 2060 and the 5600 xt only have 6 gigs of vram. it's a textbook example of planned obsolescence - plus, lowering the memory bandwidth and amount of vram is a great way to persuade normies into spending $150 more on better hardware they don't necessarily need

you know they're bullshitting people when they spew half-truths like "10gb is enough for 4k!" while simultaneously preparing a version of the 3080 with extra vram

then again they surprised me in the same q&a by promising that the rtx 30 series would apparently support windows 7, so..

6GB of VRAM means fewer chips and a narrower bus width(192bit), it's cheaper. With 8GB they have to either go up to 256bit or down to 128bit(if using four 2GB chips). I would be surprised if the 3060 didn't have 8GB of VRAM this time, 6 gigs is something more suitable for a hypothetical 3050.

 

[Übertroon]

Resolution really is the only thing driving new GPUs these days. My vega 64 can still handle 1440p fine for 60 FPS gaming, more then that is honestly a total meme, and I'm debating going back to my 1920x1200 monitor.

I'm much more interested in what AMD is bringing with rDNA 2. I wont upgrade unless someone can provide at least 50% more performance then my vega 64 for the price I paid for vega ($250). Otherwise I'll stick with vega for another year or two, I certainly dont play newer games too often anymore.

Honestly if I knew new games would be this shit I'd have stuck to my 3570K and saved all that cash.

Was thinking the same the other day.
We've seen what the next console generation brings now, and it's barely better than current gen.
I can't see a 3080 being necessary at 1080p unless someone decides to take a Crysis and make a pc only game made with such a high ceiling that only future hardware can run it at max

 

[AmpleApricots]

I'm gaming on my 4650G Pro iGPU on a 1280x1024 screen. Checkmate, atheists.

 

[malt ipecac]

Toy Story wasn't raytraced though. iirc Pixar relied heavily on raycasting at the time, Renderman really wasn't what it is today. I can't produce any evidence for this, just going off old memories, but in my opinion the lighting of the characters, especially in the street scene, shows a pretty obvious three light setup that was often used in raycasting to compensate for not having all those ray bounces and everything it enables when it comes to realistic light.

Where does the strong purple fill come from? And look at the stems of those trees, that's OG Xbox, plus they cast no shadows as you would expect.

I haven't looked for long but the search results I've seen support this (example). Fuck, wow. Apparently not even Monsters Inc. or Finding Nemo used ray tracing. Turns out I know even less about this than I thought.

 

[Twinkletard]

Well then...

 

[Just Some Other Guy]

Ampere just had the most paper launch of all time.

F to those who sold their 2080tis early, lol.

 

[Ginger Piglet]

Ampere just had the most paper launch of all time.

F to those who sold their 2080tis early, lol.

Yep. I took a strategic bog break at 2.00 pm today so I could chain-refresh my phone. The RTX 3080 FE went from "Get Notified" to Out of Stock within seconds. Overclockers, Scan, and Ebuyer all fell over.

Then at 3.07 pm, the "RTX 3080 is now here!" e-mail arrived in my inbox.

However, not all is lost. I was able to actually get an AIB version from Scan, albeit for £719.99 + delivery. Which is a few notes more that I'd planned to spend, at about 5.30 pm today.

Reddit is SEETHING, I don't think there's anyone who actually managed to buy a Founders Edition, which is the version I wanted because it's the only version that I can fit in my lil' Kolink Rocket and still get the side on. That being said, I was able to get one of the slightly less chunksome EVGA cards and I'll probably have to run it with the side off until I can podge something. Even if it wrecks the gorgeous brushed aluminium looks of my setup.

Then again, I could cut a hole in the side panel, paint the card cooler chrome so it pokes through like a supercharger, and then paint the whole case orange with go-faster stripes like a classic muscle car. Which is possibly even more puerile than having a fully RGB'd Transformer case setup.

Spoiler: PROOF

I'm such a consoomer aren't I. I mean, back in 2014 I bought a GTX 970 on release day and then it turned out it only really had 3.5 GB of VRAM.

 

[Just Some Other Guy]

Yep. I took a strategic bog break at 2.00 pm today so I could chain-refresh my phone. The RTX 3080 FE went from "Get Notified" to Out of Stock within seconds. Overclockers, Scan, and Ebuyer all fell over.

Then at 3.07 pm, the "RTX 3080 is now here!" e-mail arrived in my inbox.

However, not all is lost. I was able to actually get an AIB version from Scan, albeit for £719.99 + delivery. Which is a few notes more that I'd planned to spend, at about 5.30 pm today.

Reddit is SEETHING, I don't think there's anyone who actually managed to buy a Founders Edition, which is the version I wanted because it's the only version that I can fit in my lil' Kolink Rocket and still get the side on. That being said, I was able to get one of the slightly less chunksome EVGA cards and I'll probably have to run it with the side off until I can podge something. Even if it wrecks the gorgeous brushed aluminium looks of my setup.

Then again, I could cut a hole in the side panel, paint the card cooler chrome so it pokes through like a supercharger, and then paint the whole case orange with go-faster stripes like a classic muscle car. Which is possibly even more puerile than having a fully RGB'd Transformer case setup.

Spoiler: PROOF

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I'm such a consoomer aren't I. I mean, back in 2014 I bought a GTX 970 on release day and then it turned out it only really had 3.5 GB of VRAM.

I was gonna try to grab a 3080 today, but I only invested about 4 minutes into the F5 game.

Just gonna wait for Navi in October. 1080ti is still going strong.

Edit - Had a chance 2 buy a couple of 2080ti hydrocoppers for $850. Was gonna do it, but ended up letting it pass. It's hard

 

[An Avenging Bird]

This was such a manufactured "the demand shocked us therefore we're sold out" release by Nvidia.
Bullshit. There was a severe lack of stock created.
And there was no need for it.
Many people have been sitting around for months, so of course demand would be high.
Just glad I'm not in the market for a GPU or I would be raging like everyone else.

 

[Basil II]

Nvidicucks on suicide watch.

 

[Ginger Piglet]

I was gonna try to grab a 3080 today, but I only invested about 4 minutes into the F5 game.

Just gonna wait for Navi in October. 1080ti is still going strong.

Edit - Had a chance 2 buy a couple of 2080ti hydrocoppers for $850. Was gonna do it, but ended up letting it pass. It's hard

There's RTX 2080 Tis on Britbong Greedbay for around a monkey right now. I was tempted but decided not to. It's not big enough a leap over the GTX 1080 Ti I already have.

This was such a manufactured "the demand shocked us therefore we're sold out" release by Nvidia.
Bullshit. There was a severe lack of stock created.
And there was no need for it.
Many people have been sitting around for months, so of course demand would be high.
Just glad I'm not in the market for a GPU or I would be raging like everyone else.

Probably this. I'm absolutely convinced that the RTX 3080 FE is vaporware. Think about it. It uses a custom PCB with a custom 12 pin power lead (the third party versions use a more conventional PCB and standard 2x8 pin power leads), a ridiculously over-engineered fore-and-aft cooler that gets better temps than even the best 3-fan designs of the previous generation, full metal construction, and for a lower price than its equivalent of the previous generation?

I mean, it looks really sharp, and that fore-and-aft cooler is genuinely brilliant as it combines the efficiency of a multi-fan cooler with the heat isolation of a blower cooler. But all those custom parts mean custom tooling, and that's expensive. It's not like the GTX 1080 Ti's blower which was basically the same blower they've used since 2013 but with a different cover on it, or the RTX 2080 Ti's double fan which was a common or garden double fan with a bit of bent metal shoved onto it. I heard that their production costs for the fore-and-aft cooler on the RTX 3080 FE was higher than the actual graphics chip.

They basically build a limited number of them, I'm guessing, sent golden samples out to reviewers and "influencers," possibly a few reserved to OEM prebuilts, and then put a handful on their own webshite. Result - breathless videos exhorting us to CONSOOM and Jensen's kitchen, and the prices of third party boards (which use a much more conventional and thus cheaper PCB, and triple fan coolers using commodity Chinese fans with cheap plastic shrouds and RGB blinkenlights) go skyward, and those sales are pretty much all profit.

EDIT: Right, I'm shuttin' down. I'm not going to do anything more computery today. I'm gonna sit and read the new Joe Abercrombie novel and if my card arrives on Saturday as Scan's told me, I'll shove it in then and just run a computer with half the case missing until I can work out how I'm gonna mod it to fit.

 

[Dante Alighieri]

My 1080 isn't going to get suddenly worse so I'm fine waiting a few months to a year for an upgrade, not like I won't be bottlenecked by my 7700k anyway. I do believe I'll need a new motherboard though, and it's going to be a pain in the ass to upgrade.

 

[Joe Swanson]

Well then...

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yeah no I doubt whoever placed that bid is gonna pay

 

[Smaug's Smokey Hole]

Graphics card, console, new phone, concert tickets - all sold out on day one and consoomers are shocked! Again!

 

[Affluent Reptilian]

All the major Australian parts suppliers had their sites crash at the exact release time - lol. Glad I'm not in the market for one of these - figure my 2080Ti is more than enough for now and I can wait for the 3080 Super (or even the 4000 series)... It'll probably be my 9700k's lack of hyperthreading that prompts an overhaul, if anything.

 

[Smaug's Smokey Hole]

Leaked from Gigabyte: The 2060 3060 will have 8GB of VRAM, the 3070 will have a 16GB model and the 3080 will have a 20GB model.

edit: fuck

 

[DeadwastePrime]

2060

 

[Overly Serious]

Well then...

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Bot buyers have been snorting up these cards like Al Pacino with a bag of cocaine. And then trying to get massive mark-up on ebay before they even have them. In response, some people have been flooding ebay with bogus sales and trying to troll the scalpers. Who knows how many of these ebay sales are real and how many trolls.

UK buyers might try overclockers.co.uk which are usually pretty good about getting in stock and actually delivering on their orders (usually).

Leaked from Gigabyte: The 2060 3060 will have 8GB of VRAM, the 3070 will have a 16GB model and the 3080 will have a 20GB model.

edit: fuck

I honestly would be wary of buying a GPU with only 8GB of VRAM these days. Fine if it's not a new card but anything you expect to be future-proofing I think that's low.

 

[Ginger Piglet]

Leaked from Gigabyte: The 2060 3060 will have 8GB of VRAM, the 3070 will have a 16GB model and the 3080 will have a 20GB model.

edit: fuck

I saw that. But the 3070 will be only GDDR6 as opposed to GDDR6X memory. Big RAM good, but fast RAM better. Especially on a device which has direct access to said memory without needing to share a bus or anything.

(This, incidentally, is why the original Celeron back in 1997 was so awful. It was a Pentium II with the cache sawed off. Without any cache it was constantly bottlenecked by the system bus for every single operation. Not to be confused with the Celeron A, which replaced it and which is one of the best CPUs of all time. Ahhh. Those were the days when you could get a 50% overclock on the stock cooler.)

 

[Μusk]

Radeon 6000 series/"Big Navi".