Grand Jury speculation thread

[ScaliasGhost]

My guess is though that just from a media standpoint, the last thing any DA or court wants is the insane attention and possible media fiasco attached to The Trial of Chris-Chan. Everything about this is a left leaning advocates dream.

Imo, I think the DAs real concern with a trial would be Barb. Chris has a right to confront her at a trial. And she is pretty much a necessary witness for their case anyways. DAs  really hate putting victims in that position. And victims obviously hate it as well, that is one reason why victims often want a plea deal themselves, so they don't have to testify in court.

And that's just victims in general. If prosecution calls Barb she might go hostile, and start denying things or saying that it was consensual. (If rumors of her not wanting to talk are true this is a decent possibility). Would she be committing perjury? Yes, but that would be a separate issue. Can they force her to the stand? Yes. They could even threaten her with charges herself if she doesn't want to, since if she  did agree to it she is just as culpable for the crime as Chris. But they would want to avoid that situation.

And, even if she is willing to testify on the states behalf there are problems. If she is as dementia ridden as people think, controlling her testimony or getting relevant testimony will be extremely difficult. And if she is lucid? Well, then the possible elder abuse aspects become more difficult for the state. There is a lot more I could get into about the risks of her testimony but those are just some immediate concerns the prosecution might have.

 

[I'm not an egirl]

I think he has a good chance of being placed on the SOR post-release...and whatever tier he is classified as will largely not matter as he is not going to comply with any of it or check in with his caseworker, meaning that he will probably get arrested for violating his sex offender program within a week.

I would like to see what would happen if Chris is forced to notify people in the area about his sex-offender status...

Is the notification required when having a permeant domicile? I find it hard to believe that Chris will be able to purchase his own property, so I'm wondering how the sex-offender thing works.

 

[RodgerDodger]

The poll is kind of horribly stupid. The Grand Jury does not assess Chris’s fitness for trial. All they do is assess whether there is sufficient evidence for the Prosecutor to bring Felony Charges. (The answer is yes. The answer is always yes. Even if the answer was not always yes, it would be yes in this case just for pure horrifying Ick factor.)

The Grand Jury has almost nothing to do with Chris. They do not meet him. They do not get to assess or even hear evidence of his mental state. The defense does not get to present to the grand jury, and pretty much everything that goes on in the grand jury gets sealed.

Chris has already been found fit for trial. That’s what the Jail to Nut Hut saga was all about. The Judge would appear to have reinforced that yesterday as the case is being moved up to circuit court.

A better question might be at what point is Chris going to attempt to fire Heilberg and Phoenix Wright himself? Because you just know he’s going to try and do it. He’s an Alpha tier cow. They can’t help themselves. It’s like it’s hard coded in.

 

[TheShortWaveCerealKiller]

Imo, I think the DAs real concern with a trial would be Barb. Chris has a right to confront her at a trial. And she is pretty much a necessary witness for their case anyways. DAs  really hate putting victims in that position. And victims obviously hate it as well, that is one reason why victims often want a plea deal themselves, so they don't have to testify in court.

And that's just victims in general. If prosecution calls Barb she might go hostile, and start denying things or saying that it was consensual. (If rumors of her not wanting to talk are true this is a decent possibility). Would she be committing perjury? Yes, but that would be a separate issue. Can they force her to the stand? Yes. They could even threaten her with charges herself if she doesn't want to, since if she  did agree to it she is just as culpable for the crime as Chris. But they would want to avoid that situation.

And, even if she is willing to testify on the states behalf there are problems. If she is as dementia ridden as people think, controlling her testimony or getting relevant testimony will be extremely difficult. And if she is lucid? Well, then the possible elder abuse aspects become more difficult for the state. There is a lot more I could get into about the risks of her testimony but those are just some immediate concerns the prosecution might have.

Whats really scary to think about is, if she does have dementia for all we know if she defends Chris, shes defending a version of him from a time that doesnt exist anymore. For all we know Barbs mind has rotted so far she thinks its still 2008 where Chris is getting those dang dirty trolls. This is all sorts of fucked that only gets dirtier the more I think about it

 

[Yksi_Toveri]

Won't happen for at least a few days

Grand Jury will meet on August 8th. They will then decide which indictments from the prosecutor to approve (it's essentially a rubber stamp). Heilberg and the prosecutor will then discuss a plea deal (I personally don't think a plea has been offered yet) and then Chris can get sentenced if he agrees to the plea without a trial.

 

[Cherenkovblue]

This thread is nothing compared to the ones that devolve into pointless politisperging with no real discussion taking place at all.

This, basically. Dude is acting like all we're doing is posting bent ducks...

8=============B · o O JU-LAAAAAAAAAAAAAY

 

[Your Favorite New Friend]

The poll is kind of horribly stupid. The Grand Jury does not assess Chris’s fitness for trial. All they do is assess whether there is sufficient evidence for the Prosecutor to bring Felony Charges. (The answer is yes. The answer is always yes. Even if the answer was not always yes, it would be yes in this case just for pure horrifying Ick factor.)

The Grand Jury has almost nothing to do with Chris. They do not meet him. They do not get to assess or even hear evidence of his mental state. The defense does not get to present to the grand jury, and pretty much everything that goes on in the grand jury gets sealed.

Chris has already been found fit for trial. That’s what the Jail to Nut Hut saga was all about. The Judge would appear to have reinforced that yesterday as the case is being moved up to circuit court.

A better question might be at what point is Chris going to attempt to fire Heilberg and Phoenix Wright himself? Because you just know he’s going to try and do it. He’s an Alpha tier cow. They can’t help themselves. It’s like it’s hard coded in.

I assumed the poll was Null's revenge on the people who refuse to learn what a Grand Jury is.

 

[Chazzed Up]

Grand Jury will meet on August 8th. They will then decide which indictments from the prosecutor to approve (it's essentially a rubber stamp). Heilberg and the prosecutor will then discuss a plea deal (I personally don't think a plea has been offered yet) and then Chris can get sentenced if he agrees to the plea without a trial.

I know a lot of people suspect Chris's ego will cause him to refuse a deal, but I do think he will comply with his lawyer's advice if told what kind of punishment he might face if he tries to fight the charges. What I still don't quite understand is why we got to this point, is it normal for this kind of situation to require a grand jury?

 

[Cherenkovblue]

And now, in video format:

"Put the money in the bag, bitch... uh-hyuk-hyuk!"

 

[kobebyarlant]

Is this the final DLC for Christian Weston Chandler's Adult Chronicles?

 

[Pointless Sperg]

I know a lot of people suspect Chris's ego will cause him to refuse a deal, but I do think he will comply with his lawyer's advice if told what kind of punishment he might face if he tries to fight the charges. What I still don't quite understand is why we got to this point, is it normal for this kind of situation to require a grand jury?

They basically ran out the clock, especially if his charge was still only a single charge of incest. You're not supposed to keep someone held in jail for over a year for a felony without an indictment.

It's definitely not normal for it to take a year though. Ordinarily if they intend to charge you with a felony they indict you quickly. Felony cases are not supposed to languish at the district level, they're supposed to be kicked upward.

As to why it took so long, there's a bunch of possibilities, but I'm tired of posting the same speculations over and over (you can just read the thread). We'll have a clearer picture within a couple of weeks when the charges go public (once he's indicted, they have to).

EDIT: Sorry, misread your question a bit. The grand jury is what approves the indictment, so they can't indict without the grand jury. So yes it's normal to go to a grand jury.

 

[Hepativore]

Is this the final DLC for Christian Weston Chandler's Adult Chronicles?

It could be an expansion for Life Is Strange.

 

[ScaliasGhost]

I know a lot of people suspect Chris's ego will cause him to refuse a deal, but I do think he will comply with his lawyer's advice if told what kind of punishment he might face if he tries to fight the charges. What I still don't quite understand is why we got to this point, is it normal for this kind of situation to require a grand jury?

In VA all potential felonies charges are presented to a grand jury to determine if there is sufficient evidence for an indictment. So it's not just normal, it's mandatory. It "got to this point" for reasons we don't really know beyond that the reason involves a potential felony charge.

(Yes misdemeanors can, but don't need to, go before grand jury too. But if they wanted to file additional misdemeanors they could have done it yesterday without).

 

[Sperghetti]

There’s something surreal about the fact that Chris’s journey into infamy ultimately started because of his Love Quest and here we all are, 15 years later, speculating about what the government’s going to do with him now that he’s finally completed it.

 

[Yksi_Toveri]

What I still don't quite understand is why we got to this point, is it normal for this kind of situation to require a grand jury?

I don't think we'll know for awhile what happened for the Prosecutor to up this to a felony case, but if it's going before a grand jury, there's at least a felony in the charge(s). Since this is going to civil court, we'll see more in the public records sooner or later.

 

[Eydallur]

I don’t believe Chris is outright a threat to society, but I don’t find him harmless. I think anyone around him should have used caution

It's like libshits and their attitudes vis a vis the right of others to carry effective means by which to defend themselves. If you can't imagine yourself doing anything but dropping your pants and presenting your perfectly puckered pleasure palace for Deshawn to enjoy when you get some unexpected male attention as you're walking home late at night, why would a 5'1 college girl feel the need to respond in any way that would only generate confusion, anger and the triggering of repressed generational oppression when confronted with inner city socioeconomic factors?

Chris is not a threat in a general sense but he absolutely will take advantage of any scenario he finds himself in where there's any barbussy to be had.

 

[Chazzed Up]

As to why it took so long, there's a bunch of possibilities, but I'm tired of posting the same speculations over and over (you can just read the thread). We'll have a clearer picture within a couple of weeks when the charges go public (once he's indicted, they have to).

In VA all potential felonies charges are presented to a grand jury to determine if there is sufficient evidence for an indictment. So it's not just normal, it's mandatory. It "got to this point" for reasons we don't really know beyond that the reason involves a potential felony charge.

(Yes misdemeanors can, but don't need to, go before grand jury too. But if they wanted to file additional misdemeanors they could have done it yesterday without).

Okay thanks, that is enough to answer my question. I suppose the rest will play itself out eventually. It is hard to follow the legal aspect of this which is why I stick to laughing at his crackhead antics typically.

 

[No Game No Sonichu]

I don't think we'll know for awhile what happened for the Prosecutor to up this to a felony case, but if it's going before a grand jury, there's at least a felony in the charge(s). Since this is going to civil court, we'll see more in the public records sooner or later.

Honestly this excites me more than the outcome. All this batshit insanity is going to be officially documented somewhere by the government.

But at the very least, Chris is gonna be a sex offender now right? I know they will likely let him off easy because he's slow-in-the-mind, but thats the minimum here right?

 

[Ken_Penders69]

No way in hell chris accepts a plea deal. Doesn't matter if that's the best scenario offered to him where he gets off the easiest. Doesn't matter if his lawyer lines out to chris the gravitas how slim his chances of getting off are and his sentence will be less if he owns up to what he did. Chris has had a gigantic throbbing grudge boner, because he still feels shafted at having taken the plea deals against Michael synder and gamestop. He'll fight till the end knowing full well this case is a no win scenario because chris despises the concept of a plea deal

 

[Male Idiot]

Nah, this is their nightmare. I'm left, and pretty open about it. No rational person in leftist spheres wants a literal mother-fucking elder abusing greasebag associated with them.

Just to nip it in the bud, yes there are rational people with leftist views. You just never hear about them because they aren't screaming into the twitter void. Extremist enby xe/xer/xim MAPs aren't leftist, they're exploiters.

Most leftists are not rational nor logical. Their problem with Chris would be his gay vaccine past and saying niggos, not the incest.