Grand Jury speculation thread

[Pointless Sperg]

Someone did use male pronouns when Chris was at his bail hearing, and Chris flipped at that. Even having an "it's Ms!" Momment like what happened at a 7 11 once. The judge or whoever it was had to tell Chris he was just quoting what that sheet was saying. Still even if that was true I doubt anyone there not even heilburg wanted to call Chris "Ms."

Virginia legal code uses male pronouns in a lot if its statutes, particularly older ones. There's a separate law that indicates that the pronoun should be interpreted as gender neutral. They did this so they didn't have to needlessly waste time passing legislation to fix each statute and pay someone to update everything.

 

[FinnSven]

Virginia legal code uses male pronouns in a lot if its statutes, particularly older ones. There's a separate law that indicates that the pronoun should be interpreted as gender neutral. They did this so they didn't have to needlessly waste time passing legislation to fix each statute and pay someone to update everything.

Makes sense.

This should be across the board for general purposes to stop troons, SJW and the assorted usual suspects from reeeing all the time to distract from actually important things.

To keep it on topic though, is it still possible for a lobotomy to be performed and if so, what are the conditions?

If say Chris is hurled, I mean placed, in a facility for the psychologically different, how much medication and other therapy does he have to go through and it not work before brain surgery of this nature can be considered an option?

 

[Shovel Mech Pilot]

To keep it on topic though, is it still possible for a lobotomy to be performed and if so, what are the conditions?

If say Chris is hurled, I mean placed, in a facility for the psychologically different, how much medication and other therapy does he have to go through and it not work before brain surgery of this nature can be considered an option?

are you serious or just weening

 

[FamicomGorby]

Makes sense.

This should be across the board for general purposes to stop troons, SJW and the assorted usual suspects from reeeing all the time to distract from actually important things.

To keep it on topic though, is it still possible for a lobotomy to be performed and if so, what are the conditions?

If say Chris is hurled, I mean placed, in a facility for the psychologically different, how much medication and other therapy does he have to go through and it not work before brain surgery of this nature can be considered an option?

Pretty sure physical lobotomies are outlawed basically everywhere these days. However a transorbital lobotomy can be performed by basically anyone with an ice pick and a hammer if some ween kidnaps Chris to give it a shot.

Drugs are used these days as a chemical lobotomy of sorts and if Chris was put into a mental facility he'd be a zombie after a couple of days.

 

[Pointless Sperg]

If say Chris is hurled, I mean placed, in a facility for the psychologically different, how much medication and other therapy does he have to go through and it not work before brain surgery of this nature can be considered an option?

They don't do lobotomies, and they haven't for a long time.

Chris can theoretically be forced into treatment, but only as much as necessary to make him competent to stand trial.

 

[Hogar Grupal]

Virginia legal code uses male pronouns in a lot if its statutes, particularly older ones. There's a separate law that indicates that the pronoun should be interpreted as gender neutral. They did this so they didn't have to needlessly waste time passing legislation to fix each statute and pay someone to update everything.

Chris doesn't know, or can't bothered to learn his own state's laws if it doesn't effect him personally.

 

[FinnSven]

Drugs are used these days as a chemical lobotomy of sorts and if Chris was put into a mental facility he'd be a zombie after a couple of days.

Right, so it’s a “chemical lobotomy” that I have heard about then.

Thanks.

I know these days it is a case of treatment cannot be “forced”, but can relatives still be consulted to gain permission for psychiatric procedures or powerful medication?

And in Chris’s case, would there be anyone to consult? What happens in these situations?

 

[Pointless Sperg]

Right, so it’s a “chemical lobotomy” that I have heard about then.

Thanks.

I know these days it is a case of treatment cannot be “forced”, but can relatives still be consulted to gain permission for psychiatric procedures or powerful medication?

And in Chris’s case, would there be anyone to consult? What happens in these situations?

Probably nobody other than his attorney. Again, the goal would be in getting him stable enough to assist in his defense, not remedy any other issue, so what they do will be with that in mind. Chris' attorney, for the sake of his CV, will still want he best outcome for Chris, so he will still keep Chris' best interests in mind (at least as far as his court case is concerned).

 

[A-№1]

It's only speculation but I think the court denied him bail then kept him in jail all this time to break his spirit.

Why should the court bother, when reality already has that in store for Chris? The court is keeping Chris in Jail because it has no other place to put him. He has nowhere else to go. That realization might break him, but that's not the court's doing. Having nowhere else to go is something Chris did to himself.

Make him nice and quiet and thus more susceptible to his punishment without sperging about how he doesn't deserve it.

There's also the possibility he'd have gone the other way, though. Why risk it?

Chris in still in jail simply to contain him; the court has better things to do than fuck with him as well.

After all the final stage is always acceptance.

The final state of grief, at least according to one theory, but what is the final stage of entitled, indignant tard rage?

Taking everything we know about her into account she was a gen zer with a crush on classic Chris, and daddy issues that left her with a fetish for older slobs.

Or so she presented herself. Trust nobody where Chris is concerned, especially not potential gal pals.

Still even if that was true I doubt anyone there not even heilburg wanted to call Chris "Ms."

"It" is probably their preferred pronoun for him.

This should be across the board for general purposes to stop troons, SJW and the assorted usual suspects from reeeing all the time to distract from actually important things.

That's what bailiffs are for.

"Now Mister Chandler, regardless of your preferences, the facts remain that you have a Y chromosome, and our bailiff over there has a very painful truncheon. That means you are a 'he' while in this courtroom and a guest of the Virginia Department of Corrections. You can play pretend on your own time."

To keep it on topic though, is it still possible for a lobotomy to be performed and if so, what are the conditions?

Why? The effect of a lobotomy is a reduction in the patient's initiative and often inhibitions. Chris is already extremely lacking in initiative, and the last thing anyone wants is for him to lose inhibitions. It would also make it even more difficult for him to recognize other people as people.

Chris doesn't know, or can't bothered to learn

You can stop right there. There's no need to go into specific examples.

They don't do lobotomies, and they haven't for a long time.

Not for people like Chris, anyways. The same procedure is still occasionally performed, but for specific maladies, not for behavior alteration. They don't call it a lobotomy (for obvious reasons), and it's a hell of a lot more targeted and sophisticated than in the bad old days, but it's still the physical disconnection of sections of the brain.

For the past half century or so, ECT has largely replaced lobotomy as the frankensteinian treatment of last resort, and even that has been going out of fashion, being replaced with pharma.

 

[FinnSven]

Not for people like Chris, anyways. The same procedure is still occasionally performed, but for specific maladies, not for behavior alteration. They don't call it a lobotomy (for obvious reasons), and it's a hell of a lot more targeted and sophisticated than in the bad old days, but it's still the physical disconnection of sections of the brain.

For the past half century or so, ECT has largely replaced lobotomy as the frankensteinian treatment of last resort, and even that has been going out of fashion, being replaced with pharma.

Of course, that is how things should be as progress and understanding of medicine increases.

However, I still like the idea of a butcher masquerading as a surgeon to be let loose on Chris with a circular saw, rusty scalpel, and fishing line for sutures.

 

[Pointless Sperg]

Of course, that is how things should be as progress and understanding of medicine increases.

However, I still like the idea of a butcher masquerading as a surgeon to be let loose on Chris with a circular saw, rusty scalpel, and fishing line for sutures.

Only on his duck.

 

[A-№1]

Of course, that is how things should be as progress and understanding of medicine increases.

Sort of. Some of the psych pharmaceuticals they prescribe are fucking scary. I often wonder if this "progress" has more to do with pharmaceutical profit margins than the well being of the patients. They're certainly more willing to push pills today than they ever were to try lobotomies or ECT. Time was when ECT was the treatment of last resort, but today pills are often the first thing they go to.

Only on his duck.

It's Chris. Likely you could just hand him the tools and let him get on with things. He's tried it before (and no, I am NOT posting a link).

 

[Lancelot]

Chris being an lazy entitled arrogant asshole with an infinite sense of his own infallibility has nothing to do with mental retardation.

Arguable somewhat. Ive seen alot of very arrogant autists. A key element of introspection is taking a step outside yourself and examing yourself from another persons point of view. Shockingly autisms defining quality is an inability to perceive other peoples views .

Chris is where he is as a direct result of his own choices. Regardless of upbringing, everyone is responsible for their own choices. Chris' problem is he's almost never held accountable for his.

Hence why i said he should be held accountable for things he has done, perhaps it would even do him some good. I am just also pointing out that chris isnt some devil child who was unfixable from birth to this point. Its kinda like if I spend every day of a kids life from age 4 to age 16 telling him that women are the devil while I scream at him and beat him incessantly; I cant be surprised if he becomes a serial killer to women at age 20. Sure he still has to be held responsible for what he did but my contribution is clearly undeniable.

To a point. Getting him to act like a responsible adult is beyond that point.

I just see no evidence of that; I dont even remotely see evidence his parents genuinely tried. Barb clearly did nothing at all, and both barb and bob deliberately prevented him from getting help that he needed purely out of their own pride.

You don't think Chris got that job at Wendy's voluntarily, do you?

Which he kept for what, like a few months? Bob got him to get a job once, which he got fired from. Bob didnt force him to get a job before or after. Its not parenting at all to once in a dudes life ever force him to get a job or move out. Chris got fired from wendys and bob set up his tugboat. Its very clear that bob had given up on chris long before.

Look at the pictures of Chris and 14BLC over time before and after Bob's death. Bob was the only thing keeping that household together. The house deteriorated in direct correlation as Chris grew larger and Bob was less able to physically control him. Then, once Bob was gone, the rot really set in. Unless Bob were capable of constantly overseeing Chris (with a whip) forever, Chris will always choose to be Chris whenever the oversight is removed. That's entirely on Chris.

tl;dr: Stop making up excuses for Chris.

When did I make an excuse ? 1: I started out my initial post pointing out I felt chris should be held responsible. Pointing out someones culpability and need for punishment is the opposite of excusing it.

2: I pretty specifically have been countering the notion that chris is some devil child who was bad from the word go. I say this having worked with tards before and having known many of them growing up. The unlikable traits seen in chris chan have popped up repeatedly . Extreme attachment to objects, lack of understanding or empathy to people, infantilized interests and personality, etc etc .

Obviously not all spergs are exactly like that and some will break from the mold. But quite specifically the tendency for a sperg to be incredibly self absorbed, and express little to no reciprocal caring for those who care about them is common. Whether its from absolutely not caring or not understanding truly how to care. Its something I have seen alot.

 

[GenociderSyo]

Sort of. Some of the psych pharmaceuticals they prescribe are fucking scary. I often wonder if this "progress" has more to do with pharmaceutical profit margins than the well being of the patients. They're certainly more willing to push pills today than they ever were to try lobotomies or ECT. Time was when ECT was the treatment of last resort, but today pills are often the first thing they go to.

They still will do ECT in state hospitals it's not as uncommon as people think it is. Though not sure Chris would be a candidate it causes memory loss and if the entire point is to get him compus mentis for trial then that would not really help.

State hospitals also are still just as likely to use the old time haldol and thorazine combos.

 

[A-№1]

Arguable somewhat. Ive seen alot of very arrogant autists. A key element of introspection is taking a step outside yourself and examing yourself from another persons point of view. Shockingly autisms defining quality is an inability to perceive other peoples views .

We're talking about mental retardation here, not autism. That said, I know a number of humble autists, and I believe Chris would still be an asshole even were he not "high functioning".

chris isnt some devil child who was unfixable from birth to this point.

Except the only person who could have fixed him is Chris himself. The fact that Borb (mostly Barb) largely protected him from seeing the need to fix his shit doesn't change that. Years later, long after the influence of Borb has waned, Chris still refuses to fix his shit.

Its kinda like if I spend every day of a kids life from age 4 to age 16 telling him that women are the devil while I scream at him and beat him incessantly; I cant be surprised if he becomes a serial killer to women at age 20.

You also can't be surprised if he turns out to be a saint.

I just see no evidence of that; I dont even remotely see evidence his parents genuinely tried.

Trolls tried. Most of the early trolling was trying to get Chris to stop being such a fuckup (and then laughing at him when he failed).

More importantly, Bob did. Barb was (and is) largely useless, but Bob definitely tried. Over and over and over and over.

Yes, Chris is easily influenced, but only to do things he is already inclined to do. You will never be able to ween him into adulthood.

Which he kept for what, like a few months?

Irrelevant. Chris did not go to work at Wendy's voluntarily. If Bob hadn't forced Chris to go to Wendy's, he never would have worked there at all. Bob likely tried to force him to get a job multiple times, but after Wendy's it either became apparent Chris was a lost cause, employment wise, or Chris simply refused. What do you expect Bob to do then? Beat Chris until he applies somewhere else? There's a limit to the authority Bob had over Chris, and that was not Bob's fault.

When did I make an excuse ?

Every time you claim Chris is a result of choices other than his own. Bob didn't cause Chris to be Chris. Barb didn't cause Chris to be Chris. Society didn't cause Chris to be Chris. Even with the best upbringing possible (and Chris' was far from the worst) Chris' choices would still have made him into Chris.

They still will do ECT in state hospitals it's not as uncommon as people think it is.

Yes, I never said they didn't, but it's not nearly as common as it used to be, and it's not used for as wide a spectrum of maladies as it once was. (Seriously, they even tried using ECT for PMS - the fuck were they thinking?) Also ECT is very, very rarely used these days before meds have been given a chance to work their magic first. For what it's worth, they also still do lobotomies (they just don't call them that).

 

[Pointless Sperg]

You will never be able to ween him into adulthood.

Weens can't wean, and you can't wean Chris from weens.

 

[TV's Adam West]

It's only speculation but I think the court denied him bail then kept him in jail all this time to break his spirit. Make him nice and quiet and thus more susceptible to his punishment without sperging about how he doesn't deserve it. After all the final stage is always acceptance.

Keep your legal hot takes to yourself. It's pretty fucking obvious why he was denied bail. Admitting you're going straight back to where the crime happened isn't a good look.

 

[Pappy Striderite]

I think the court denied him bail then kept him in jail all this time to break his spirit. Make him nice and quiet and thus more susceptible to his punishment without sperging about how he doesn't deserve it.

the fuck?

what black man with he power to heal people are you reading this from? you're in the wrong tab.

the judge asked chris what his plan was for bail. chris answered with chris shit. that's it. that's as deep as this plot gets.

"will you be safe if you're free?"
"i'll go home"
"nevermind"

 

[Ophelia]

the fuck?

what black man with he power to heal people are you reading this from? you're in the wrong tab.

the judge asked chris what his plan was for bail. chris answered with chris shit. that's it. that's as deep as this plot gets.

"will you be safe if you're free?"
"i'll go home"
"nevermind"

Especially since Chris had no home to go to. If there was somewhere else he could go with someone who could keep him from returning to 14bc, maybe Chris wouldn’t be in jail. Maybe.

 

[Pappy Striderite]

If there was somewhere else he could go with someone who could keep him from returning to 14bc, maybe Chris wouldn’t be in jail. Maybe.

asking chris himself if he had a plan was a very small part of it. kinda just a formality even.
the real concerns of bail were mostly :
"will chris get lynch-mob't if freed?"
and
"will chris hurt anyone, including himself, if freed?"

even without chris' answer, everyone knew chris could only conceive of different speeds in which he'd hurl himself at a fist or taser darts.