Grand Jury speculation thread

[FinnSven]

Sornicho, the Electric Porcupine Fokiman

That sounds like an even more knocked off, knock off of a knock off!

Like something one could find sold on a market with the unusual brand games consoles and fake Rolex stalls.

 

[OffRecord]

Yeah, ward of the state seems likely purely because it's the only way to ensure Chris remains supervised for the rest of his life. While the worst he's done ultimately is minor in the super big picture (he hasn't murdered anybody at the very least), it's a preventative measure at this point to make sure he doesn't cross that threshold of morality. Because as Chris has demonstrated all through his life, once he crosses a "line" he never goes back, because the mere act of doing something and it not immediately harming him (and I mean immediate, because he blames Null for his current situation and not the fact he outright committed a felony) etches in his brain that this previously verboten thing is actually A-OK. Alcohol, going trans (even though his "gender dysphoria" is entirely superficial as it slips far too often for it to be genuine if you ask me, but I'm no shrink), and of course fucking his own mother.

Ward of the state for life is in the best interests of both Chris and society at large. His life online is one long line of escalation. As long as he is online, trolls will find and troll him. It’s only a matter of time until the right troll hooks him and convinces him to kill, or do something that causes someone else to die. He’s a lunatic on his own, but with trolls pushing him and encouraging his insanity it’s a genuine danger to society. If some 17 year old edgy satanist who wanted to be internet famous told Chris to poison the buffet at a restaurant, or something, in order to somehow induce the merge, do you think a guy who fucked his mom, ran someone over, sent thousands of dollars to people pretending to be cartoon characters and cut open his taint would have the moral conviction to say no?

 

[King Metalia]

Ward of the state for life is in the best interests of both Chris and society at large. His life online is one long line of escalation. As long as he is online, trolls will find and troll him. It’s only a matter of time until the right troll hooks him and convinces him to kill, or do something that causes someone else to die. He’s a lunatic on his own, but with trolls pushing him and encouraging his insanity it’s a genuine danger to society. If some 17 year old edgy satanist who wanted to be internet famous told Chris to poison the buffet at a restaurant, or something, in order to somehow induce the merge, do you think a guy who fucked his mom, ran someone over, sent thousands of dollars to people pretending to be cartoon characters and cut open his taint would have the moral conviction to say no?

Honestly I used to doubt that Chris has the balls to physically harm anyone. These days I'm not sure what with the incestious extravaganza he went on. Truthfully I still think if he tried to assault a person who isn't a dementia ridden 80 year old, he'd get his ass kicked.

 

[Optimus Prime]

Honestly I used to doubt that Chris has the balls to physically harm anyone. These days I'm not sure what with the incestious extravaganza he went on. Truthfully I still think if he tried to assault a person who isn't a dementia ridden 80 year old, he'd get his ass kicked.

Chris is a coward - he only would harm others if there was zero chance of instant payback. Look at when he maced that manager - the video clearly shows that the manager not only is walking away with his back turned to Chris, but Chris looks around like a child knowing he's about to do something bad before pulling out the mace and hitting the guy with the spray before running away.

A lot of his delusions are after all power fantasy to give him what he can't have in real life. It's ballooned out of control with him being God of the Seventh exponential or whatever (yet still can't alter reality like, y'know, GOD) but the origins were simply him wanting to exert his will on the world for perceived wrongs. And of course it's easier to play pretend than it is to actually engage in self-betterment activities, at least for him, because there's no discernable instant benefit as far as Chris is concerned.

 

[Michael Janke]

so would chris be eligible for release on time served in the July hearing. if the 50% good behavior days count towards that.
i calculated earlier that it's about 11 months so far, including good behavior bonuses in prison. in july, it'd be about 14 months. i think if he serves more time, there's a good chance extra time is on the cards.

 

[Pointless Sperg]

so would chris be eligible for release on time served in the July hearing. if the 50% good behavior days count towards that.
i calculated earlier that it's about 11 months so far, including good behavior bonuses in prison. in july, it'd be about 14 months. i think if he serves more time, there's a good chance extra time is on the cards.

Chris has no good conduct bonuses in prison because he has never been to prison. He has only good conduct bonuses from jail -- IF he behaved in jail. If he receives prison time, I believe the good conduct time in jail will count against it as its full value, rather than as the much smaller good conduct credit in prison.

However I am uncertain about how this calculation is made (applying previously earned good conduct from jail to a prison sentence) -- somebody with real Virginia legal experience would have to clarify.

If the prosecution chooses to not indict Chris, then he will probably get off on time served in July. If they have chosen to pursue indictment, he will remain incarcerated.

 

[stets]

so would chris be eligible for release on time served in the July hearing.

The guy sperged out so hard he was sent to a mental institution. The letters also alluded to himself being far, far from a model prisoner. I really doubt he's earned many good boy points. I also don't think time off for good behavior is a thing if you haven't even been convicted and sentenced yet.

 

[Michael Janke]

The guy sperged out so hard he was sent to a mental institution. The letters also alluded to himself being far, far from a model prisoner. I really doubt he's earned many good boy points. I also don't think time off for good behavior is a thing if you haven't even been convicted and sentenced yet.

i could have sworn time served in Jail counts towards total prison time. i think in cali, it even counts for double days. so the entire sentence if it's a year can be done in six months in jail. I doubt they'd let him sit in jail so long without coutning torwards his days. it's not like he's doing a 2 week stint for unpaid parking tickets.

 

[Second-Hand Boat Supplies]

Chris has no good conduct bonuses in prison because he has never been to prison. He has only good conduct bonuses from jail -- IF he behaved in jail. If he receives prison time, I believe the good conduct time in jail will count against it as its full value, rather than as the much smaller good conduct credit in prison.

However I am uncertain about how this calculation is made (applying previously earned good conduct from jail to a prison sentence) -- somebody with real Virginia legal experience would have to clarify.

If the prosecution chooses to not indict Chris, then he will probably get off on time served in July. If they have chosen to pursue indictment, he will remain incarcerated.

How does good behavior credit work when it intersects with mental health issues? What counts as good behavior while incarcerated; is it 'good behavior' or just a lack of documented bad behavior?

I ask because it strikes me as something that would have been litigated in the past. If Chris, or any other inmate, has significant enough reality issues, one could argue they're medically incapable of behaving in a way to reduce their sentence and that is illegally discriminatory. Given the general poor state of the average inmate's mental health to begin with, I doubt this "my client behaved as well as they were medically capable of" loophole exists in practice and I'm curious how it's closed.

 

[A Grey Cat]

The guy sperged out so hard he was sent to a mental institution. The letters also alluded to himself being far, far from a model prisoner. I really doubt he's earned many good boy points. I also don't think time off for good behavior is a thing if you haven't even been convicted and sentenced yet.

Being a delusional buffoon who is too much of a tard to learn the sink on top of his jail toilet isn't a bidet isn't the same as constantly getting into fights with the staff and other inmates or refusing to cooperate.

 

[BlueArmedDevil]

I also don't think time off for good behavior is a thing if you haven't even been convicted and sentenced yet

It's often a reasonable request by the defense to have whatever time the guilty person has spent in jail to be deducted from the sentence length, it's called time served.

 

[Ophelia]

I wonder if Chris was lying about the bidet in order to try to make people think his cell was fancy?

 

[Pointless Sperg]

How does good behavior credit work when it intersects with mental health issues? What counts as good behavior while incarcerated; is it 'good behavior' or just a lack of documented bad behavior?

Generally, yes, "good conduct" doesn't mean you did anything special, just that you didn't do anything bad. Sometimes there are extra good conduct credits that can be earned by doing community service or something, but that depends on jurisdiction.

Virginia code specifies that good conduct in jail pre-sentencing carries over to post-sentencing, though it doesn't specify how that works in terms of how that credit is applied, so that's more a matter of established procedure I guess.

I wonder if Chris was lying about the bidet in order to try to make people think his cell was fancy?

Given that he called it a "standard bidet", probably not. He described it like it wasn't anything special.

 

[Michael Janke]

'good behavior' or just a lack of documented bad behavior?

that's what good behavior is, basically just don't fuck up and get in trouble.
good behavior isn't literally, being a model citizen. like volunteering to mop up the floors.

 

[GypsyBard]

Honestly I used to doubt that Chris has the balls to physically harm anyone. These days I'm not sure what with the incestious extravaganza he went on. Truthfully I still think if he tried to assault a person who isn't a dementia ridden 80 year old, he'd get his ass kicked.

The pepper spray to GameStop employee.
He hit a guy with his car.
After he found out he can't just use pepper spray and get away with it he replaced it with a baseball bat.
There's no doubt in my mind that if Chris had a baseball bat instead of pepper spray he would have swung it at the employee.
What we are seeing is Chris increasingly getting worse when it comes to violence and assault in general.

 

[Undersideofcwcspillow]

This has probably been answered, but is there any actual real evidence of Chris sexually assaulting Barb?

I was thinking about it a couple days ago. If the only actual evidence of it is Chris saying he did it, then the prosecution is probably having a hell of a time building a case.

"Federal courts have found mental instability relevant to credibility only when the witness exhibited a pronounced disposition to lie or hallucinate or had a severe illness such as schizophrenia that dramatically impaired the witness's ability to tell the truth."

If Heilberg can prove that both Barb and Chris are mentally unfit to give testimony, then wouldn't Chris walk? Chris absolutely fucked Barb, but if there's no hard evidence, like video of the act or DNA, then how can they convict him?

Corpus Delicti means that even if Chris isn't unfit to testify, the court still needs to produce some kind of evidence besides his admission of guilt.

 

[Pointless Sperg]

Corpus Delicti means that even if Chris isn't unfit to testify, the court still needs to produce some kind of evidence besides his admission of guilt.

You're absolutely correct. At bare minimum it requires testimony from somebody other than the accused, or some sort of circumstantial evidence.

As far as what exists, we have absolutely no idea. Outside of a public court, they are not going to tell the world what evidence they have. They must have *something* though, otherwise Heilberg would have just demanded a trial as soon as possible.

 

[Raiken]

You're absolutely correct. At bare minimum it requires testimony from somebody other than the accused, or some sort of circumstantial evidence.

As far as what exists, we have absolutely no idea. Outside of a public court, they are not going to tell the world what evidence they have. They must have *something* though, otherwise Heilberg would have just demanded a trial as soon as possible.

If it is, it's most likely that her ancient cave got bruisend and/or pubic hair.

 

[anti SJW]

This has probably been answered, but is there any actual real evidence of Chris sexually assaulting Barb?

I believe there is DNA evidence that proves Chris had intercourse with Barb. One of the charges is incest.

Not sure a rape kit can prove sexual assault. The prosecution may have to rely on testimony for that. Also, I think if they can prove Barb wasn't in the right state of mind, it may be sexual assault.

 

[Squirrelcop]

Next elections in CWCville are gonna be one hell of a mudslinging contest.