Grand Jury speculation thread

[Pointless Sperg]

I keep seeing reference made to a plea deal having been offered Chris, that he refused to cooperate and that the continuances were issued in an attempt to get him to reconcile with counsel. Is there any actual evidence of a plea deal having been offered or is it just speculation?

No direct evidence, just educated guesses. Chris' ramblings aren't to be taken at face value, but he kept describing what sounded like a plea deal.

The case was transferred from General District Court to J&DR court, and then stayed in J&DR for a year, which would indicate that they weren't hellbent on convicting him on a felony out of the gate.

Plea deals are normal and almost always offered, though the plea deals tend to be worse the more they intend to use you as an example of how they're keeping their constituents safe or avenging the victims.

Finally, Chris has a history of chimping out in court, and in the Snyder case had the illusion that Rob Bell would get him off entirely, leading to it languishing in district court for a while, until he finally broke and took a plea deal in circuit court that wasn't any worse than the one he could have had in district court (other than it being an Alford plea where he got to still profess innocence).

I definitely think dismantling the asylums was the Reagan-era GOP's biggest L.

It started well before the Reagan era. Reagan gets the blame a lot because he signed the bill that dismantled them in California *when he was governor*. He wasn't responsible for the other 49 states. Since most entertainment comes from California, people heard him getting blamed a lot, and eventually people associated that with his presidency rather than his time as governor (since most people don't even know he was governor of California).

So it sounds like they can/are holding him in jail for more then a year? Its not mentioned in the FAQ but I thought someone said that the tugboat could be suspended for that reason? If he was using it for commissary up until this point, that could another rude awakening, yeah?

The FAQ explains it in the tugboat section. Being incarcerated doesn't remove Chris' entitlement to the tugboat. Being incarcerated *after* he's convicted puts the tugboat on pause. He gets it back after he's released, it doesn't get shut off. He's on SSDI, specifically the variety you get from when you're crippled/retarded from childhood.

IAnother reason why Chris won’t be let out is because his bond request has been denied. It is possible to get it back, but in order for it to be reinstated it must be under these circumstances: the bond is deemed excessive or under unreasonable terms of recognizance (a type of bond where a prisoner is released on a specific condition or conditions). Chris meets neither condition and since it’s already been about a year, there’s a very slim chance he’ll be released.

Chris chimped out in his bond hearing at precisely the wrong moment. The judge still offered to let him have another shot, but I'm pretty sure there was never any possibility for a reasonable way to ensure that Chris would be at a known location since he didn't have anywhere to go.

 

[NuancedTardWrangler]

Chris chimped out in his bond hearing at precisely the wrong moment. The judge still offered to let him have another shot, but I'm pretty sure there was never any possibility for a reasonable way to ensure that Chris would be at a known location since he didn't have anywhere to go.

That is true plus the court has deemed him a danger to himself as well as society at large

 

[Fapcop]

Ngl he didn't seem that smug begging for 150k, more like oh shit I can't live at 14 BC again and need a way out. There is a fear of what comes next...

An unfounded fear really.

Chris is in reality un-punishable, even if he’s too dumb to realize it.

Aside from losing his toys (which will hurt, but we all thought losing his PS3 would break him, and it didn’t.) there is nothing that the prison system can really do to him.

Now your average Joe, would have a shit ton to lose by going to jail. Their family, friends, jobs, hobbies…

Chris though? Aside from a con once every couple of years, he only goes out as a chore.

In jail he’ll get three meals a day, all the snacks he can eat from the commissary, and will be free to concentrate on his passions: Playing Tetris, watching movies on his prison tablet, and day dreaming.

He’ll get sorely needed structure, occasional socializing if he chooses to, and won’t have to worry about any adult stuff like Barb dying or bills getting paid.

The couple of hundred dollars he will need every month for Fanta and chips, will be easily made through a halfassed drawing here or there.

If Chris goes to jail, he is about to live his best life.

That is true plus the court has deemed him a danger to himself as well as society at large

I know it’s fun to pretend that Chris between bumping someone with a car and indirectly maceing someone at GameStop is some sort of dangerous lunatic and societal menace but come the fuck on.

“A danger to society at large”?! The most dangerous thing about Chris is people getting headaches from the fucked perspective in his drawings.

Your average 17 year gangbanger nigger, has racked up more charges than Chris has in two decades of being an unapologetic sped.

He’s in court ffs. You really think a judge who every single day deals with aspiring rap artists and meth heads with miles long rap sheets, is going to look at Chris and go: “That man is much too dangerous to ever be allowed to walk the streets again!”

 

[AnOminous]

It started well before the Reagan era. Reagan gets the blame a lot because he signed the bill that dismantled them in California *when he was governor*. He wasn't responsible for the other 49 states.

He was when he was President and did the same thing. It was a rare instance of bipartisan cooperation, because institutionalization was being vastly misused just to lock up inconvenient people, often at the wishes of their own family who were embarrassed by tards like Chris in the family (including the Kennedys).

You can also thank SCOTUS for O'Connor v. Donaldson, 422 U.S. 563 (1975), in which the Court ruled (correctly) that you can't just declare someone "mentally ill" and force treatment on them against their will, much less just lock them up indefinitely without due process.

The general concept of deinstitutionalization was usually paired with the concept of replacing that kind of treatment with community-based mental health. Where Reagan is rightfully blamed is that when he was actually President, he pushed (successfully) for the repeal of the Mental Health Systems Act, a 1980 law which was intended to provide such care.

So Reagan was on both ends of this catastrophic fuckup, acting as Governor to empty the asylums onto the streets, and as President to ensure that the street lunatic plague he unleashed had no help once they got there.

 

[Strange Wilderness]

An unfounded fear really.

Chris is in reality un-punishable, even if he’s too dumb to realize it.

Aside from losing his toys (which will hurt, but we all thought losing his PS3 would break him, and it didn’t.) there is nothing that the prison system can really do to him.

Now your average Joe, would have a shit ton to lose by going to jail. Their family, friends, jobs, hobbies…

Chris though? Aside from a con once every couple of years, he only goes out as a chore.

In jail he’ll get three meals a day, all the snacks he can eat from the commissary, and will be free to concentrate on his passions: Playing Tetris, watching movies on his prison tablet, and day dreaming.

He’ll get sorely needed structure, occasional socializing if he chooses to, and won’t have to worry about any adult stuff like Barb dying or bills getting paid.

The couple of hundred dollars he will need every month for Fanta and chips, will be easily made through a halfassed drawing here or there.

If Chris goes to jail, he is about to live his best life.

Its like Chris made a wish to a genie that he wanted to live like a child forever where he didn't have to do any work, have any responsibilities, and could watch TV and play games all day while gorging himself on junk food.. He got his wish to live a responsibility free life but as an inmate of the Virgina DOC.

 

[NuancedTardWrangler]

“A danger to society at large”?!

While I am exaggerating for shits and giggles, it is true the court has deemed him a potential threat to other people. But I feel like you’re glossing over the other half of that statement: he’s considered a danger to himself. As you pointed out, the dude just daydreams at this point. Releasing him will do him more harm than good. He can’t pay for anything, is in huge debt, and his last remaining relative is on death’s door. Sure, he may not shoot up the mall or game stop, but when barbs is dead and he’s homeless, he’s probably going to kill himself.

 

[LiquidKid]

If Chris goes to jail, he is about to live his best life.

Yes, but what happens when he gets out?
Everyone assumes a home, but I don’t think he can follow rules long enough for that to be viable.

I also think you’re downplaying how violent Chris can be and how warped his mind is. Remember, he tried to bring a baseball bat with him to conventions, attempted to assault mall security and a police officer on one occasion, and directly, not indirectly maced the GameStop guy. He also showed little remorse for when he hit Michael Snyder with his car, claiming Snyder was the one who touched his car instead.
Then you have all the various objects he beat up in reference to other people and his constant outbursts of yelling and threats, his rapey mindset and tendency, and his near total disregard for other people.

I don’t believe Chris is outright a threat to society, but I don’t find him harmless. I think anyone around him should have used caution

 

[Fapcop]

He was when he was President and did the same thing. It was a rare instance of bipartisan cooperation, because institutionalization was being vastly misused just to lock up inconvenient people, often at the wishes of their own family who were embarrassed by tards like Chris in the family (including the Kennedys).

You can also thank SCOTUS for O'Connor v. Donaldson, 422 U.S. 563 (1975), in which the Court ruled (correctly) that you can't just declare someone "mentally ill" and force treatment on them against their will, much less just lock them up indefinitely without due process.

The general concept of deinstitutionalization was usually paired with the concept of replacing that kind of treatment with community-based mental health. Where Reagan is rightfully blamed is that when he was actually President, he pushed (successfully) for the repeal of the Mental Health Systems Act, a 1980 law which was intended to provide such care.

So Reagan was on both ends of this catastrophic fuckup, acting as Governor to empty the asylums onto the streets, and as President to ensure that the street lunatic plague he unleashed had no help once they got there.

The concept of “Hey let’s make this big building where we can put crazy people so they can get fixed!” Sounds really good in theory, but in reality they sometimes came to function as an unofficial jail you could be put in without any due process.

Would you still want asylums back, knowing that you could be placed in them, pronounced as mentally ill by some doctor who might just have a bad day, and not let out unless you convinced same doctor you were “cured”?

There were plenty of stories about people going in because they were depressed, and not let out for years because some
Doc had diagnosed them as schizophrenic, and didn’t want to admit they had been wrong.


TLDR: The current system isn’t ideal, but much preferable to a system where you can lose all your rights and get locked up indefinitely without due process.

 

[NuancedTardWrangler]

Yes, but what happens when he gets out?
Everyone assumes a home, but I don’t think he can follow rules long enough for that to be viable.

If he’s lucky, he’ll find some sucker to house him. If not, then everyone who wanted a “homeless saga” gets their way.

 

[Basedgod]

Do we know if his charges have been upgraded? I thought he was still being held in Henrico County Jail but he's not showing up on their inmate search

 

[Smleman303]

An unfounded fear really.

Chris is in reality un-punishable, even if he’s too dumb to realize it.

Aside from losing his toys (which will hurt, but we all thought losing his PS3 would break him, and it didn’t.) there is nothing that the prison system can really do to him.

Now your average Joe, would have a shit ton to lose by going to jail. Their family, friends, jobs, hobbies…

Chris though? Aside from a con once every couple of years, he only goes out as a chore.

In jail he’ll get three meals a day, all the snacks he can eat from the commissary, and will be free to concentrate on his passions: Playing Tetris, watching movies on his prison tablet, and day dreaming.

He’ll get sorely needed structure, occasional socializing if he chooses to, and won’t have to worry about any adult stuff like Barb dying or bills getting paid.

The couple of hundred dollars he will need every month for Fanta and chips, will be easily made through a halfassed drawing here or there.

If Chris goes to jail, he is about to live his best life.



I know it’s fun to pretend that Chris between bumping someone with a car and indirectly maceing someone at GameStop is some sort of dangerous lunatic and societal menace but come the fuck on.

“A danger to society at large”?! The most dangerous thing about Chris is people getting headaches from the fucked perspective in his drawings.

Your average 17 year gangbanger nigger, has racked up more charges than Chris has in two decades of being an unapologetic sped.

He’s in court ffs. You really think a judge who every single day deals with aspiring rap artists and meth heads with miles long rap sheets, is going to look at Chris and go: “That man is much too dangerous to ever be allowed to walk the streets again!”

Funnily enough that was my thought and why I think being out scares him, he knows he can't go back to what things were and outside ia multiple possibilities, none of which appear to involve 14 BC anymore.

 

[Rupin]

If he’s lucky, he’ll find some sucker to house him. If not, then everyone who wanted a “homeless saga” gets their way.

It won’t take much luck at all. I’m sure there are plenty of tards biting at the bit for a chance to cement their place in Christory by actually having him live with them.

 

[LiquidKid]

If he’s lucky, he’ll find some sucker to house him. If not, then everyone who wanted a “homeless saga” gets their way.

My favorite shitpost theory I saw someone come up with is that Josh buys up 14 Branchland Court after it goes to auction for nothing since the house is so infamous now it’s all but unsellable, and then allows Chris to live in the backyard in a shack besides Patty’s 5 ton dog house

 

[Klokateer636]

Yes, but what happens when he gets out?

Considering its going to Grand Jury, I don't think he's getting out.

Normal people don't like child abusers or elderly abusers.

It won't matter that others pushed him or bullied him or whatever else; because he through his own free will assaulted barb.

He has a history of violence and sexual deviance. It will all get called in so as to look at who exactly IS Chris-Chan.

Whether it be 1, 5, 25 or more, he's going to prison. The only thing that can really be speculated on, and really only speculated on, is for how long.

 

[Basedgod]

Normal people don't like child abusers or elderly abusers.

It won't matter that others pushed him or bullied him or whatever else;

Yeahh I don't know, the jury may see how not lucid he is and decide it would be cruel and unusual to send an adult autistic child to state prison for multiple years based off of a phone call and some jail letters

 

[Smleman303]

Yeahh I don't know, the jury may see how not lucid he is and decide it would be cruel and unusual to send an adult autistic child to state prison for multiple years based off of a phone call and some jail letters

They likely have more than that it get this far. Based on sperg and others observations it wouldn't have even got this far if that were true. And lucid... The state of Virginia sent a man with a iq of 59 to prison for life, they've sent way dumber than Chris to the pen.

 

[AnOminous]

Would you still want asylums back, knowing that you could be placed in them, pronounced as mentally ill by some doctor who might just have a bad day, and not let out unless you convinced same doctor you were “cured”?

The simple answer is no, and that's the reason there was bipartisan cooperation on the generally well-intentioned idea of deinstitutionalization. I'm just pointing out that while the general concept that you can't just lock people up without due process because you've declared them mentally ill is sound, the actual rollout of this policy has had serious unforeseen consequences.

And Chris is one of them.

Yeahh I don't know, the jury may see how not lucid he is and decide it would be cruel and unusual to send an adult autistic child to state prison for multiple years based off of a phone call and some jail letters

What's your source for claiming that is even in evidence?

 

[TayandYou]

he’s probably going to kill himself.

Again, he's not going to kill himself. Idea guys brainwashed him into believing that real sonichus don't kill themselves.

His delusion that he's a sonichu doesn't seem to be going anywhere, he even managed to combine it with the new Jesus shit.

They likely have more than that it get this far. Based on sperg and others observations it wouldn't have even got this far if that were true.

Quite the opposite. If they had a strong case they would not have to wait until the last possible moment to escalate things. They had a year to do so. If they had more and they wanted to charge him with a felony, they could have easily indicted him months ago. This was either unplanned, part of a plea deal, or they ran out of time.

 

[Aegeus]

made a wish to a genie

It was one of those evil genies that twists your wishes, like the one in Wishmaster.

 

[anti SJW]

Chris Chan inspired Law & Order episode when?