Grand Theft Auto Grieving Thread - Yep, I've been drinkin' again...

[Mushroom Rings]

Read up about Miami in the 80s. The cops were undermined by corruption in their own ranks and bureaucrats and civil servants being owned by the cartels. The police were also outmanned and outgunned to the point where many good cops were afraid for their lives just showing up for work. The flagrancy of the drug runners was insane.

Watch the Cocaine Cowboys documentaries to see how wild Miami in the 80s really was.

With the amount of research Rockstar North did on the era, I would not be shocked if the lawlessness was intended to reflect the real world inspiration for the game.

Thank you, I'll look into that. Sounds pretty interesting. I'll take some of my criticism back if that's the case, but I still think the game should've reflected that better.

 

[Samuel Fuller]

Thank you, I'll look into that. Sounds pretty interesting. I'll take some of my criticism back if that's the case, but I still think the game should've reflected that better.

I can't remember the title of it, but there is a great doc on Prime about boat racing in Miami and how it connected to drug smuggling, and some of the shit in that one is crazy.

Florida in the cocaine era was basically a narcostate with how the intimidation and bribery destroyed the ability of local law enforcement to operate. There was one case of a wanted fugitive smuggler being found, arrested, booked, and literally snuck out a side door by someone in the cartel's pockets in under an hour.

And yes, they should have made it clearer in the game, but again, GTA games have midwit writing that thinks it is Shakespeare.

 

[Crypt Kicker]

It kills me that the FBI in VC rolls up in these black SUVs. OK, maybe someone built one in 1989, but these things look like a Cybertruck which fell into a time machine. They’re pretty scary, but they’re never around.

Instead, oh no, one guy gently jogging toward me.

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Breaking into the VCPD to steal a cop outfit is sick. That’s an ancient bit, too. GTA 2 made you put on that uniform and start a prison riot.

SA at least treated cops like an enemy faction. You’re actually fighting the police as part of the story, not just politely avoiding them. Now, cops in GTA feel like they're just there so your mom can recognize it as that crime game. Bully, a game about wedgies, had cops that were more terrifying.

I'd sure love it if the cops started behaving like cops in GTA VI. Instead of like in 5 when every cop was basically a T-1000 and they were all told I'm John Connor. Come to think of it I don't think I've ever been arrested in GTA V, in IV and previous entries if a cop saw you steal a car or punch someone they'd at least attempt to arrest you. 5 they just shoot at you nearly immediately.

Bring back 6 stars, and make stop sending in law enforcement like they're mere goons. Give cops and SWAT a different approach tactic, set up SWAT snipers that aren't infalliable yet still something you need to keep an eye out for. I liked the law enforcement in IV but just hug a corner and SWAT will just mosey on up tiptoeing over a pile of 20 different SWAT guys. I'm sure they can figure something out for 1-2 Billion fucking dollars they're spending to make it.

 

[Samuel Fuller]

I'd sure love it if the cops started behaving like cops in GTA VI. Instead of like in 5 when every cop was basically a T-1000 and they were all told I'm John Connor. Come to think of it I don't think I've ever been arrested in GTA V, in IV and previous entries if a cop saw you steal a car or punch someone they'd at least attempt to arrest you. 5 they just shoot at you nearly immediately.

Bring back 6 stars, and make stop sending in law enforcement like they're mere goons. Give cops and SWAT a different approach tactic, set up SWAT snipers that aren't infalliable yet still something you need to keep an eye out for. I liked the law enforcement in IV but just hug a corner and SWAT will just mosey on up tiptoeing over a pile of 20 different SWAT guys. I'm sure they can figure something out for 1-2 Billion fucking dollars they're spending to make it.

How do you know how the cops behave in GTA VI? We are a year out from it releasing!

SUVs have been around since the 1970s, here's a 1984 Chevy SUV used by the Secret Service.
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But yes at the time it would've been far more likely for them to be using sedans as SUVs were still reserved for speciality uses.

Multiple PDs and Sheriff's departments in Southern California used Chevy Blazers and Ford Broncos as patrol/pursuit vehicles in certain areas (mainly beach and outskirts) from the 1970s to the 1990s.

 

[The Last Stand]

I'd sure love it if the cops started behaving like cops in GTA VI.

How do YOU know the cop system in VI? Are you a Rockstar insider?

Give cops and SWAT a different approach tactic, set up SWAT snipers that aren't infalliable yet still something you need to keep an eye out for. I liked the law enforcement in IV but just hug a corner and SWAT will just mosey on up tiptoeing over a pile of 20 different SWAT guys.

You should've seen my face when I noticed that at four stars, snipers were posted up high vantage points through helicopter dropoff or even just predetermined spawns. IV had a great police system. Difficult, but not impossible or unfair.

 

[Crypt Kicker]

How do you know how the cops behave in GTA VI? We are a year out from it releasing!

How do YOU know the cop system in VI? Are you a Rockstar insider?

Because GTA VI cops are so immersive and good they put me in time jail for my virtual crimes, so now I'm back to now.
No don't ask me about any happenings, there are no happenings, all anyone does is play GTA VI.

 

[Captain Syrup]

Thank you, I'll look into that. Sounds pretty interesting. I'll take some of my criticism back if that's the case, but I still think the game should've reflected that better.

Remember Forbes... who is barely a character...? He’s like a fed or something? I don’t actually know.



So, Vice City is Disneyland for crime, the cops are just notaries for commiting crimes.

 

[The Last Stand]

So, Vice City is Disneyland for crime, the cops are just notaries for commiting crimes.

They don't call it Vice City for nothing. I don't even think the cops are largely corrupt, just incompetent or overworked, maybe even understaffed.

Remember Forbes... who is barely a character...? He’s like a fed or something? I don’t actually know.

I'm sure Forbes was inspired from a Miami Vice episode.

 

[Sheriff Mike Chitwood]

Remember Forbes... who is barely a character...? He’s like a fed or something? I don’t actually know.

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So, Vice City is Disneyland for crime, the cops are just notaries for commiting crimes.

is that the guy you start doing missions for in VCS and he uses like whack outdated lame lingo and vic is able to deduce he's like a undercover guy just from that and it turns out to be right? people in this thread recently were talking about owning property in gta games and i was wanting to comment i seem to recall i liked what VCS did with owning properties and having missions for them and just how they handled that

 

[Crypt Kicker]

i liked what VCS did with owning properties and having missions for them and just how they handled that

That was probably entirely the coolest part about the game.
That and the Phil Collins concert. Blew my mind as a kid cuz I loved that song.

Dun-dun-dun-dun dun-dun-dun dsh-dsh

 

[Bob Barbas]

You should've seen my face when I noticed that at four stars, snipers were posted up high vantage points through helicopter dropoff or even just predetermined spawns. IV had a great police system. Difficult, but not impossible or unfair.

Also most of the time the police had to actually be there to physically SEE you commit the crime for it to count which is the biggest thing in V that pisses me off where all you have to do is shoot a gun a few times even in the middle of fucking nowhere without a silencer and suddenly you have a wanted level.
Whatever glue huffing intern thought that was acceptable should neck themselves.

That's one thing I will never understand is people insisting V has better gameplay than previous entries when it has dogshit like that in it. (Don't even get me started on how ass the car physics are or how retarded the enemy AI is compared to previous titles. Or you know, removing the ability to crouch for no reason forcing you to use their sometimes retarded cover system instead.)

 

[Captain Syrup]

i seem to recall i liked what VCS did with owning properties and having missions for them and just how they handled that

"Congrats, you own a drug lab.” And then all you do is drive around like an Uber driver for your own money. "Oops gotta pick up my envelope.” And by the time you’re doing it, the money doesn’t even matter. The only fun part is decorating Miami, like, “I’ll put a cathouse here.”



And there's tiers? Tier one, tier two, tier three....why would I ever not pick tier three?

GTA’s just not that kind of game. It’s not about growth or strategy.

 

[Crypt Kicker]

Also most of the time the police had to actually be there to physically SEE you commit the crime for it to count which is the biggest thing in V that pisses me off where all you have to do is shoot a gun a few times even in the middle of fucking nowhere without a silencer and suddenly you have a wanted level.
Whatever glue huffing intern thought that was acceptable should neck themselves.

That's one thing I will never understand is people insisting V has better gameplay than previous entries when it has dogshit like that in it. (Don't even get me started on how ass the car physics are or how retarded the enemy AI is compared to previous titles. Or you know, removing the ability to crouch for no reason forcing you to use their sometimes retarded cover system instead.)

RDR2 was even worse with the wanted system in that regard. I was so sick of killing someone just for someone to spawn immediately after, kill him and repeat.
A lot of times even if you intimidate or bribe them to not squeal you still got a bounty anyway.

GTA V wanted system was stupid. RDR2 was just completely fuckin broken.

 

[I am Jack's dead arm]

I can't remember the title of it, but there is a great doc on Prime about boat racing in Miami and how it connected to drug smuggling, and some of the shit in that one is crazy.

Florida in the cocaine era was basically a narcostate with how the intimidation and bribery destroyed the ability of local law enforcement to operate. There was one case of a wanted fugitive smuggler being found, arrested, booked, and literally snuck out a side door by someone in the cartel's pockets in under an hour.

And yes, they should have made it clearer in the game, but again, GTA games have midwit writing that thinks it is Shakespeare.

IIRC the movie you're thinking about is Cocaine Cowboys 2. The drug runners would use racing boats to pick up the bales of coke dropped by planes.

 

[The Last Stand]

I want to give VCS its flowers. You could pay a bribe to buy back your weapons if you're busted/wasted. Wonderful QoL feature.

 

[Captain Syrup]

I want to give VCS its flowers. You could pay a bribe to buy back your weapons if you're busted/wasted. Wonderful QoL feature.

In the original GTA on PS1, getting a Get Out of Jail Free would also let you keep your stuff. But if you die you lose everything. Just don’t resist arrest.

 

[The Last Stand]

In the original GTA on PS1, getting a Get Out of Jail Free would also let you keep your stuff. But if you die you lose everything. Just don’t resist arrest.

Never played GTA1 or 2, so I'll take your word for it.

The only fun part is decorating Miami, like, “I’ll put a cathouse here.”

Sad part is all that work is for naught from Vice City.

 

[Captain Syrup]

Sad part is all that work is for naught from Vice City.

It’s like Animal Crossing but ghetto.

The cathouse though. Level 1 is some disgusting dive, level 3 is like Larry Flint’s club in Vegas. The level 3 drug den is a fake condo and the inside is just… a drug lab. Big empty shell. Nobody’s gonna notice that. Just plop it on Ocean Drive, cops roll by like idiots.

 

[Bob Barbas]

RDR2 was even worse with the wanted system in that regard. I was so sick of killing someone just for someone to spawn immediately after, kill him and repeat.
A lot of times even if you intimidate or bribe them to not squeal you still got a bounty anyway.

GTA V wanted system was stupid. RDR2 was just completely fuckin broken.

I'll give them this, it sounds awesome on paper. If anything I'd say it sounds like the fucking ideal wanted system if it actually worked how you'd expect it to. You only get a wanted level unless someone sees you do it and tells on you or the law itself sees you do it? Sounds great! That's exactly how it should be in my opinion.
The problem is the part where the game magically spawns in a witness every time instead of just letting you get away with it if there's nobody around to see.

 

[winderson_silva]

i remember hearing that young maylay guy who voiced cj have a breakdown in some interview a while back because he was mad people only know him for cj and not his shitty music

I remember something similar for Tyler James Williams. He gets bombarded every day on social media by Brazilians, since Everybody Hates Chris is loved in Brazil, to the point people were sharing the series' quotes on his announcement that a friend (who also played a character in that series) had died.

and you get rich but what's the point of that because you can't really enjoy all that money, anyway.

Yeah I noticed it, you don't get much money, and the ways to get it are also slow (stealing specific cars for example), but in exchange, pretty much the only thing you need to buy is armor and weapons, and honestly, I just marked in the map where to find the good weapons (the m4 and shotgun) and thats about it, I don't think I really used any other weapons for 90% of the game, and doing rampages feels boring on it.

Come to think of it I don't think I've ever been arrested in GTA V,

I only got arrested once, when I was a lad playing on ps3, I got to a car, but before i could start the engine, the car was surrounded (I think I had 2 stars) and got caught.

where all you have to do is shoot a gun a few times even in the middle of fucking nowhere without a silencer and suddenly you have a wanted level.

Don't you get wanted if you throw satchel charges in the middle of nowhere in SA? Not to say it makes it fine for V, just because something was bad in a past game, doesn't mean it should be kept bad for a latter one.