Grand Theft Auto Grieving Thread - Yep, I've been drinkin' again...

Favorite GTA?

  • Grand Theft Auto

    Votes: 61 2.4%
  • Grand Theft Auto: London 1969

    Votes: 54 2.1%
  • Grand Theft Auto 2

    Votes: 106 4.1%
  • Grand Theft Auto III

    Votes: 203 7.9%
  • Grand Theft Auto: Vice City

    Votes: 735 28.7%
  • Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas

    Votes: 1,033 40.3%
  • Grand Theft Auto: Advanced

    Votes: 12 0.5%
  • Grand Theft Auto: Liberty City Stories

    Votes: 74 2.9%
  • Grand Theft Auto: Vice City Stories

    Votes: 73 2.8%
  • Grand Theft Auto IV

    Votes: 655 25.5%
  • Episodes From Liberty City (The Lost & Damned and The Ballad of Gay Tony)

    Votes: 198 7.7%
  • Grand Theft Auto V

    Votes: 371 14.5%
  • Grand Theft Auto: Online

    Votes: 91 3.5%
  • My Mother's My Sister!

    Votes: 306 11.9%

  • Total voters
    2,565
Alright fine, I'll chime in more about muh blacks.

I think the issue here isn't the blacks themselves, but how many of the game's NPCs are ghetto trash and hoodrats despite the main characters not being black. With San Andreas, the theme/setting with a predominantly black cast worked because it was specifically set in a black neighborhood around the time of the L.A. riots, and the overall theme was meant to mimic early 90's gangsta rap culture aesthetic (e.g. NWA, Boyz in the da Hood). That made sense considering that was the theme they were specifically going for for. Just like with vice City being a mashup of Miami Vice and Scarface, hence it had a lot of Latino characters and involved themes of organized crime amidst the neon colors and synth pop.

With the GTA 6, it feels like they just took a generic modern crime plot, set it in Florida, and flooded the cast of NPCs with a bunch of grotesque twerking sheboons. Again, it's not the blacks, it's how it's presented and shoehorned. Also because it's not a specific time period, the aesthetic doesn't work. VC and SA had a unique feel since they were set in prior decades and were deliberately meant to mimic a certain relevant culture from their respective time periods (especially with the music). Hell, watch the fucking commercial for SA: yeah, it's a bunch of ghetto black thugs with guns shooting each other...but with the theme music being "Welcome to the Jungle" and the intended aesthetic and geographic setting it's trying to convey, it absolutely hits hard.

TL;DR - GTA: SA worked with a black cast because the overall style and theme was about inner city gang warfare in a specific time period and specific location, so I understand it. This time it just feels like shoehorned diversity in the worst way. I loved VC and SA, but this just looks lame.
I don't even get why it's that hard to understand.

There is nothing inherently wrong with black characters and a black cast. Of course there isn't. You won't find people refusing to watch the Green Mile or refusing to play GTAV because a main character is black.

However, in recent years there has absolutely been a crowd of media creators who forcefeed woke shit everywhere. They have zero regard for their demographic, care more about political grandstanding than telling a story, and unfortunately they hold minority groups in such high regard that they seem to think assigning any minority group character a character flaw is tantamount to claiming every single member of that minority group behaves that way, which leads to a bunch of boring, Mary Sue characters.

There's this hilarious irony where the exact crowd trying to forcefeed minority groups to people is inadvertently training people to recoil from media that has an overabundance of minority groups, precisely because when they're afraid to give them any flaws, it just makes for really boring writing. Ironically, the exact groups they love showcasing as flawed (white men) end up being the most fascinating characters precisely because they gave them actual depth. People aren't recoiling from this trailer just "because racist" or anything simplistic like that, they're doing so because we may be getting another dumbass story where the woman girlbosses her way through the game and shoots rainbows from her vagina before ascending to the heavens as the second coming, with zero stakes, zero conflict and zero depth.

Nobody freaked out about Franklin in GTAV because that game released before this cultural phenomenon developed. We had no reason to expect anything bad; Franklin was just black and that's that, not to mention fairly normal for the franchise. Same exact thing goes for any of the earlier GTA titles.

But this...?

This doesn't look like a predominantly black neighborhood or anything like that, this just looks like they made it a point to make the majority of the population black. Black women in particular seem more common than any other demographic in the trailer, and there's an absolute minority of white people. (or at least appearing so. Lots of tan people that's hard to tell if they're supposed to just be that tan or hispanic)

For me, the red flag is three factors in combination with each other:

1) Black people everywhere. This is an absolutely absurd percent of black people when compared to US demographics. If we're being loyal to US demographics, then either we're in a specific neighborhood or area where they make up 90% of the population, or every 10th person is black at it's most frequent. This is neither.

2) Female protagonist that, thusfar, seems very generic and boring. We don't really see much personality from her at all, which is often what this exact clique of garbage woke writers result in: either Mary Sues without flaws, or dull cardboard cutout characters that barely showcase any personality whatsoever.

3) The "Tiktok" feel. They leaned hard into social media for this trailer, which is yet another indicator for "bad writers desperately trying to stay relevant." The game is primarily about criminal life and dynamics within the USA, yet the only hints of this at all involve two of the scenes with the female lead. If the game is nothing but a constant barrage of moments that go "hey, remember that viral social media thing that happened?! WE DO TOO! LOOK! WE'RE REFERENCING THE THING! WE'RE COOL TOO!" then yes the game will be garbage.

Those three in combination are a massive red flag screaming that the woke writing crowd might've taken over the studio. They're still just red flags, so anyone freaking out saying "it's too early to judge," fine that's fair, but I also fully understand why people are incredibly skeptical.
 
For all the talk about how "gamers" are complaining about how the game is "woke", I've seen more angry talk from HRT guys and people with Twitter names like "MarxistWaluigi" and others elsewhere bitching about how earlier games in the series (that most of them have probably never played) were full of "juvenile" and "offensive" humor and that this new game will probably be full of transphobic jokes (it won't.) "They had a scooter in one game called the Faggio, such a homophobic slur!" It was a take on "Piaggio", you morons.

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Oh no, not a "juvenile tone"!

A lot of these people flip flop between calling every Rockstar game reactionary and enabling white male violence when it's convenient for them, then they turn into Jack Thompson in his heyday, and then when it's handy they'll claim the games are actually critiques of this freakin' capitalist hellscape called Amerikkka!!! and the morons who played them to have fun lack the "media literacy" to understand this.

Hey, you know, I learned quite a while ago these people say and support whatever they are told "owns the chuds" at the given moment.
 
People who play GTA are fucking gay and they have silly billy brain syndrome
Shutup zoomer nigger it's copium from decades ago when Vice City released and then San Andreas. Those were the good times.

Also, console only? Come the fuck on Rockstar this is super gay don't do me like that. Will I be a cuck if I buy console solely for GTA?
 
i mean didnt like alot of the writers and ppl who been involved with the series since GTA Vice City have been gone?
i mean at this point ppl are really gung ho on nostalgia of this series.
but with the state of "modern day western media writers" ...im a bit sceptical.

well atleast the game wont be out on PC/Laptop till 2026
so we can see how good/shitty it will be
 
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I have strong views on the GTA series as a whole that I think affects my views on VI. I think V is, objectively, the best entry. When people talk about V, they usually compare it unfavourably to IV, mostly in regards to story. And it is true: IV has better writing, kind of, but I feel that the better writing makes it, paradoxically, a worse GTA game. There's a grinding of gears and incongruity between the tragic story of Niko Bellic, a Serbian war veteran who committed horrific and violent acts trying to escape his past life and start a new life in America, getting sucked back into a world of violence and revenge and its commentary on the failures of the American dream in post-9/11 New York and the game still trying to retain its "GTA" identity, where the radio ads and presenters is over the top and satirical and all the side characters who give you quests are colourful and eccentric. Something like Ballad of Gay Tony made more sense for a main story. V felt like it struck a perfect middle ground of having that satirical, darkly comedic, colourful identity of the earlier entries with modern, up to date gameplay. Plus the unique selling points didn't just feel like gimmicks; the three protagonists works extremely well on both a gameplay and narrative level.
As previously mentioned, without Benzies as director or Houser writing, I really don't see a strong vision guiding GTA VI and making it interesting in a way the previous entries have been. I like Vice City as a setting, and I like that they're probably going to branch out into parts of South Florida like GTA V did with Southern California. But I don't have any faith in something interesting coming out of nu-Rockstar. Red Dead Redemption II was kind of their swan song.
 
Also if this is what your conception of satire is you're boring disingenous cunts. I've seen more biting satire in here. Having black women twerk and act trashy is not satire. That's like someone made troon satire all about how they talk about their girldick and post it online... that's not satire, that's just what they do.
That's all they ever do. This is an advert for Cluckin' Bell in SA:
This isn't satire of KFC. This is just what they do set to music. Say what you like about Shamus Young, he was spot-on when he said that this is parody, not satire.
 
Having black women twerk and act trashy is not satire.

No real satire I've seen in the trailer, just "black people be on da tiktok".

This is like a black nerd's idea of how hood blacks communicate. Like it was written by whoever came up with the fake barber shop full of black guys who were supposedly full on Elizabeth Warren supporters during her campaign.

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My fellow persons of color, are you ready to spin da block with GTA6?!?
 
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No real satire I've seen in the trailer, just "black people be on da tiktok".

This is like a black nerd's idea of how hood blacks communicate. Like it was written by whoever came up with the fake barber shop full of black guys who were supposedly full on Elizabeth Warren supporters during her campaign.View attachment 5545481

My fellow persons of color, are you ready to spin da block with GTA6?!?
You just have to live with the burden that your people were taken from their tribal roots and given civilization. They had no time to slowly grow with the technology, the sophistication of higher culture, it was all foisted on you. So you just did tribal shit with increasingly more advanced technology and that’s why we have WorldStar.

If it makes you feel any better, we gave the American Indians grain alcohol and it had similar effects.
 
more and more i think this wont be bonnie and clyde but point break. jason will be a cop who will fall for lucia and fucked up things will happen

something like that would be so good, I hope the story has a lot of layers to it and explores the whole map within the story. If it has 60+ hours of main story I will be happy.
 
Outside the memes, that's basically what every HD GTA trailer has been. The First Trailer touches on the world mainly, showing off the Main city, the people, vehicles, etc, and You get some hints at plot but never more than that. We didn't even see Franklin and Trevor until Trailer 2 for GTA 5, and didn't get gameplay until 2 months before launch
You have a point there, and one I didn't take into consideration in my previous post. I wasn't even aware of the history of GTA advertising until I saw the older shit today.

No matter whether the game ends up good or bad, like hell am I buying a console just to play GTA (or anything else).
 
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You have a point there, and one I didn't take into consideration in my previous post. I wasn't even aware of the history of GTA advertising until I saw the older shit today.

No matter whether the game ends up good or bad, like hell am I buying a console just to play GTA (or anything else).
My brother Will buy a slim ps5 for the final fantasy remake so i Will be set for gta6. I dont play on consoles anymore, r should just release the fucking thing on PC day one
 
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