Greer v. Moon, No. 20-cv-00647 (D. Utah Sep. 16, 2020)

[SargonF00t]

What are you talking about? Hardin doesn't ignore shit. He's legendary for his responses, which often include barely-concealed disdain for Greer's fuckery, as well as skirting-the-edge-of-a-little-too-cute references including ouija boards, "empty head pure heart," time travel, and so on.

This time Hardin realises he is fucked, as he has been destroyed by a superior legal mind in Russell Greer.

Enjoy your sanctions Matty Boy.

 

[Swole McPole]

What are you talking about? Hardin doesn't ignore shit. He's legendary for his responses, which often include barely-concealed disdain for Greer's fuckery, as well as skirting-the-edge-of-a-little-too-cute references including ouija boards, "empty head pure heart," time travel, and so on.

Hardin's legendary responses come when there's an actual legal point that needs to be made, but he doesn't just respond to every little piece of batshit insane retardedness that Greer spews out -- and it's just as well. If he were to do so, his responses would be never ending.

It seems to me that he's walking a very fine tightrope. Gratifying though it might be to tear Greer a new asshole for every minor piece of insane bullshit sends to the court, I think the judges have sent him a clear signal.

"Look, we know you're a lawyer. We're lawyers too. You don't need to respond at interminable length to his pointless waffling -- the stuff that has no basis in law and no evidence to support it. You know it's bullshit. We know it's bullshit. You know we know it's bullshit. If you have to keep flooding us with responses, just stick to the stuff that actually needs a response. We don't care what he claims he told his Auntie Mary five years ago about how he couldn't sleep at night because null might have instructed one of his anonymous soldiers to send him a picture of Hitler. It's a waste of your time, it's a waste of our time. Just address the important stuff and move on."

 

[GhastlyGhost]

Hardin's legendary responses come when there's an actual legal point that needs to be made, but he doesn't just respond to every little piece of batshit insane retardedness that Greer spews out -- and it's just as well. If he were to do so, his responses would be never ending.

It seems to me that he's walking a very fine tightrope. Gratifying though it might be to tear Greer a new asshole for every minor piece of insane bullshit sends to the court, I think the judges have sent him a clear signal.

"Look, we know you're a lawyer. We're lawyers too. You don't need to respond at interminable length to his pointless waffling -- the stuff that has no basis in law and no evidence to support it. You know it's bullshit. We know it's bullshit. You know we know it's bullshit. If you have to keep flooding us with responses, just stick to the stuff that actually needs a response. We don't care what he claims he told his Auntie Mary five years ago about how he couldn't sleep at night because null might have instructed one of his anonymous soldiers to send him a picture of Hitler. It's a waste of your time, it's a waste of our time. Just address the important stuff and move on."

Unfortunately they've demonstrated a substantially beyond reasonable deference to the mush-mouthed retard's insane ramblings.

 

[Thomas Talus]

Unfortunately they've demonstrated a substantially beyond reasonable deference to the mush-mouthed retard's insane ramblings.

I think there is a distinction that needs to be made here: they have been generous when it comes to not dismissing the case for procedural reasons (which the rules obligate them to do, up to a point); what they have not done is grant him the relief he is requesting.

 

[obsdj]

Hardin's legendary responses come when there's an actual legal point that needs to be made, but he doesn't just respond to every little piece of batshit insane retardedness that Greer spews out -- and it's just as well. If he were to do so, his responses would be never ending.

It seems to me that he's walking a very fine tightrope. Gratifying though it might be to tear Greer a new asshole for every minor piece of insane bullshit sends to the court, I think the judges have sent him a clear signal.

"Look, we know you're a lawyer. We're lawyers too. You don't need to respond at interminable length to his pointless waffling -- the stuff that has no basis in law and no evidence to support it. You know it's bullshit. We know it's bullshit. You know we know it's bullshit. If you have to keep flooding us with responses, just stick to the stuff that actually needs a response. We don't care what he claims he told his Auntie Mary five years ago about how he couldn't sleep at night because null might have instructed one of his anonymous soldiers to send him a picture of Hitler. It's a waste of your time, it's a waste of our time. Just address the important stuff and move on."

...I cannot even tell what case you're watching. There have been very few filings of Greer's that Hardin hasn't responded to, either because they were already replies to responses of Hardin's, or because one of the judges got to it before Hardin could (ECF 333 comes to mind). Nor can I recall seeing any signal from either judge that they "know it's bullshit" and that Hardin doesn't need to reply to things, especially motions, which this latest item is. Hardin has time to respond to it, but he does need to respond to it if the judges don't strike it first. He (we) can't afford to ASSUME that the judges can infer from Greer's wording that service wasn't completed according to the rules; if they don't make that inference, Hardin has to tell them in so many words, "Greer did not serve this motion 21 days prior to filing as per Rule 11." Where are all the old threadizens to pile on and remind us that anything not raised is considered waived?

On this motion, I hope we'll see either a terse docket text order or a terse, single-page, facts-only response from Hardin this week. Not holding my breath for the court to act on any of the other numerous items still open before them, naturally.

 

[Watching Rekieta]

ECF 346; Greer wants to sanction the defense

Hardin's reply needs to include a picture of the crater left behind by his irony meter's atomic detonation. Maybe a picture of Greers flux-capacitor calendar showing how he accelerated the case using emergency hearing continuations.

"Plaintiff is seeking sanctions on defense counsel for "egregiously" delaying the case. Plaintiff is alleging that defense counsel did this by opposing Plaintiff's "emergency" continuation. Plaintiff sought to put the Court calendar on hold so Plaintiff could seek out prostitution zoning information on real property owned by people unrelated to plaintiff, defense or the present case. Plaintiff may one day realize his important dream of being the subject of a Winnemucca brothel zoning request, but it wasn't that day. Plaintiff thought nothing of trying to delay this "tiny May" court hearing over trivial matters couching it as an emergency. It is not clear to defense counsel how opposing the continuance delayed the case. Defense counsel prays that the irony crater left behind by Plaintiffs motion isn't lost in his mountain of frivolous filings.""

 

[cromit]

Honestly as an attorney I would also append affidavits from both myself and my client that neither of us has posted case documents to Kiwi Farms, and that neither of us sent emails with Hitler pictures to Russell, or made an email address purporting to belong to Luella Dwayne.

I’m also just astonished at why he’s going after KF when, if his thread here went down, he’d be thrown to the wolves weens of Reddit. They may not condone republishing information found in public records, but they adore pearl-clutching and grievous interference in the lives of their targets.

 

[Pee Cola]

On the question of Greee failing to serve Hardin 21 days prior to filing, I have two hypotheses.

The first is that, in Greee's mind, saying he's going to do something is as good as actually doing it. He's been threatening to make his own filing seeking sanctions against Null and/or Hardin for months.

Greee is good at forgetting or misunderstanding details of court procedure when it's convenient to him, such as when he mislabelled Hardin's enquiries relating to publicly available data as "discovery". How much of this is due to genuine mental incompetence as opposed to malignant recalcitrance is debatable.

The second hypothesis is that the 10th Circuit has already ruled that this case is subject to time travel, hence Hardin is yet to be formally served. It's all good, because Mommy 10th said so.

Idk whether to laugh at Greee's sheer ridiculousness or cry over how badly broken the US legal system is that said ridiculousneas is almost into its sixth year.

 

[kcbbq]

Honestly as an attorney I would also append affidavits from both myself and my client that neither of us has posted case documents to Kiwi Farms, and that neither of us sent emails with Hitler pictures to Russell, or made an email address purporting to belong to Luella Dwayne.

I’m also just astonished at why he’s going after KF when, if his thread here went down, he’d be thrown to the wolves weens of Reddit. They may not condone republishing information found in public records, but they adore pearl-clutching and grievous interference in the lives of their targets.

He has to have someone to blame. For a long time he insisted it was Taylor Swift fans doing it, too. He latches on to a boogieman, and everything bad *must* come from there.

 

[Swole McPole]

...I cannot even tell what case you're watching. There have been very few filings of Greer's that Hardin hasn't responded to, either because they were already replies to responses of Hardin's, or because one of the judges got to it before Hardin could (ECF 333 comes to mind). Nor can I recall seeing any signal from either judge that they "know it's bullshit" and that Hardin doesn't need to reply to things, especially motions, which this latest item is.

I expect Hardin WILL respond to this motion. On his previous form, I'd expect him to say that the motion is barred because it's procedurally flawed -- Greer didn't give him the appropriate twenty one day notice. What I don't expect him to respond to -- on the basis of past form -- are arguments that him and null are in league with Luella Dwayne, that he's sending Hitler pics or any of the other plights and fantasies that Greer conjures up.

If I'm Hardin, I'd be assuming that if the court thought there was some basis in these reams and reams of unsupported assertions that come with every filing, they'd ask me about them. I'd further assume that if they don't, it's because they recognize that it's nonsense as well. While the judges have bent over backwards to give him a ridiculous amount of procedural leeway, I haven't seen any sign that they just accept his unsupported assertions at face value.

 

[Napoleon III]

I surely hope the court gets off it's lazy ass and gets moving on aborting this defective mongoloid fetus of a case soon. Its long overdue.

I will say I think the longer the court doesn't respond the more likely the District Judge is going to rule to dismiss. Not ruling to dismiss would be a simpler ruling that you could get done quickly. But if you rule to dismiss you want it to be detailed especially since there is a decent chance of Russ appealing. You'll take your time and make that ruling as good as possible.

Not getting Kahntent/conclusion is boring, but the longer the District Judge doesn't rule on this case the more optimistic I'd be.

 

[AnOminous]

It's not very gratifying though. We want to see Greer get taken to task over every minor pointless lie. But I assume Hardin thinks it's not the most effective use of his limited resources, so he keeps his powder dry and fires his ammo when it'll have most impact?

As much as I like to see Hardin's snarky comments, Bennett has shown that he will simply dispose of Russhole's rulebreaking plightsperging by just chucking these dumb malformed Rule 11 motions when he ignores the rules, so Hardin should reserve this sort of thing for a motion that actually needs to be made.

As humorous as we may find this stuff, snark is really easy to overdo and shouldn't be done gratuitously.

Even the most patient of tard guards is going to run out of patience when Mr. Poor Little Ratfaced Retard keeps flagrantly ignoring their specific, simple instructions and telling them they're wrong about everything they do.

Hardin may have to respond to this batshitsanction request, even if it is a simple "nigger, I never received this".

He doesn't have to respond to jack. The court already chucked it sua sponte because Greeetard couldn't be bothered to follow the rules.

ETA: oops not yet. Just realized UM actually posted the docket entry for Russhole's previously chucked defective Rule 11 motion back in April. Hardin should probably give Bennett a chance to do what he did last time, or at most oppose it by simply referring to the obvious defect.

 

[Useful_Mistake]

I will say I think the longer the court doesn't respond the more likely the District Judge is going to rule to dismiss. Not ruling to dismiss would be a simpler ruling that you could get done quickly.

Oh, God, I'm getting @AnOminous Vic Mignogna flashbacks. I mean, I agree, but still

 

[AnOminous]

Oh, God, I'm getting @AnOminous Vic Mignogna flashbacks. I mean, I agree, but still

I know it's to think that when this clown car eventually goes off the cliff when these two judges get around to doing their jobs, satisfied that Josh has been punished enough for doing nothing illegal, they'll want to dismiss it on as many independently viable grounds as possible, so that not even the dumbest panel of the Tenth Circus could manage to send it back again.

 

[DavidS877]

I assume Mr. Hardin needs to reply because the 28 U.S.C. 1927 part, while total BS still needs to be answered as it doesn't have any requirement for time. And then a closing paragraph of "And since 28 U.S.C. 1927 is BS, this is also barred under Rule 11 since it wasn't properly presented."

Also am I the only one who looked and went... Stimpy, you eeediot, it's "28 U.S.C." not "28 U.S."

 

[Pee Cola]

I expect Hardin WILL respond to this motion. On his previous form, I'd expect him to say that the motion is barred because it's procedurally flawed -- Greer didn't give him the appropriate twenty one day notice.

This, plus another jab about Greee's aspirations of being a brothel baron.

 

[Jacknife]

I will say I think the longer the court doesn't respond the more likely the District Judge is going to rule to dismiss. Not ruling to dismiss would be a simpler ruling that you could get done quickly. But if you rule to dismiss you want it to be detailed especially since there is a decent chance of Russ appealing. You'll take your time and make that ruling as good as possible.

Not getting Kahntent/conclusion is boring, but the longer the District Judge doesn't rule on this case the more optimistic I'd be.

Well that is all fine and all but I would love for them to set an additional public hearing before that to let Greer explain

 

[TurboNAS]

While the judges have bent over backwards to give him a ridiculous amount of procedural leeway, I haven't seen any sign that they just accept his unsupported assertions at face value.

But haven’t you seen his awesome evidence?

(Posts partial screenshot of half an email)

See?

Judge? Judge?! Sanction this meanie!

 

[Harvey Danger]

Honestly as an attorney I would also append affidavits from both myself and my client that neither of us has posted case documents to Kiwi Farms, and that neither of us sent emails with Hitler pictures to Russell, or made an email address purporting to belong to Luella Dwayne.

It's not worth starting yet another back-and-forth with Greer on this, when the judges don't seem to care. It would make Greer seethe and fall all over himself trying to prove they used "KF terminology" or something, and while that's funny it's not productive.

Also, Josh has posted things from public records requests, like the email zip files.

Oh, God, I'm getting @AnOminous Vic Mignogna flashbacks. I mean, I agree, but still

Tomorrow's Thursday, don't forget to F5 the thread.

 

[Bill Evans 45]

using the court system as his designated shitting location and (prima facie) getting away with it

Prima feces was right there, man.

I’m also just astonished at why he’s going after KF when, if his thread here went down, he’d be thrown to the wolves weens of Reddit.

The correct action in this was to DMCA Google, but Google doesn't have a publicly visible figurehead for Greer to blame for all his problems (and would have probably complied, so no 'being in a lawsuit with' dopamine hit), nor does Reddit. Hundreds of people a year attempt to sue both so our Magical Star Buddy would not stand out or have a chance of the fame he so desperately craves. I think after the AGT debacle he has learned that big dogs bite.
In short, Greer needs a windmill to tilt at because without that, his life is empty. Our sails are well oiled for the long run.

But if you rule to dismiss you want it to be detailed especially since there is a decent chance of Russ appealing. You'll take your time and make that ruling as good as possible.

This is also my hope, misguided fool that I am. KF is Russell's white whale and he will set sail for the 10th Circuit the second of any dismissal. We are merely Ismael, along for the ride.