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Guild Wars 2 developer ArenaNet recently parted ways with writers Jessica Price and Peter Fries, who were involved in a contentious Twitter discussion with Guild Wars 2 Twitch streamer and YouTuber Deroir, who is also partnered with ArenaNet through its content creator program.

On Tuesday, July 3, Price wrote a lengthy Twitter thread about writing for MMOs, particularly Guild Wars 2, and why player characters are uniquely difficult to write compared to protagonists in singleplayer games. To put it simply, she discussed how to give characters personality in a way that also leaves room for players to create their own character. In a reply to Price's thread, Deroir argued that branching dialogue options could give players more ways to define their character's personality, overcome the MMO-specific constraints Price discussed, and improve the roleplaying potential of Guild Wars 2.

Yesterday Price highlighted Deroir's reply in a series of tweets suggesting he was uninformed and that his reply was condescending.

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Among those tweets, the one that's drawn the most ire, particularly on the Guild Wars 2 subreddit, is Price's remark about "rando asshats" talking down to experienced writers and developers.

Responding to the mounting criticism of these tweets, Peter Fries defended Price's position in a now-deleted tweet which is archived here, saying "she never asked for [Deroir's] feedback".

For his part, Deroir said that he "meant no disrespect" and simply wanted to create "dialogue and discussion" with Price. He also apologized for any offense his argument may have caused.

In a post to the Guild Wars 2 forums, in a thread explicitly about Price and Fries' tweets, ArenaNet president Mike O'Brien characterized the statements as "attacks on the community," saying "two of our employees failed to uphold our standards of communicating with players" and that those employees are "no longer with the company." O'Brien also said "the statements they made do not reflect the views of ArenaNet at all."

It's no grand secret that game developers, especially women, are regularly targeted by fans who want to lash out, condescend or place blame, to say nothing of the insults, threats and other toxicity routinely hurled their way. That being said, this incident was not on the level of the harassment maelstroms we've seen in the past. A developer explained their writing philosophy, a partnered content creator offered feedback, and that developer responded somewhat rudely. Ordinarily that would be the end of it, perhaps followed by a round of apologies or someone stepping away from their role temporarily, but in this case ArenaNet felt the need to immediately fire the employees involved.
And the usual assclowns are out in full force:
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https://www.pcgamer.com/amp/guild-w...lowing-heated-twitter-exchange-with-streamer/
 
Just to make sure I’m understanding this the exchange went like this:
Fan: “hey I love your game and put a lot of time into it here’s my thoughts on what’s good and what could use inproveme—“
Female Game Dev: “Oh my god these fucking sexist pigs telling me— a woman— how to do her job! KILL YOURSELF! IM A PROFESSIONAL! A PROFESSIONALLLLLLL!!!”
 
I dunno. I think these writers have been told all their life that they are so talented and so witty and so smart and have such a way with words that when someone comes along and says "I don't think your writing is that great" it isn't just commentary on their skill. It's an intense personal attack that lays siege to their very identity.

Happened to me in grad school. I was told I was a "good writer" and most of my professors agreed. One professor, however, hated the way I wrote and made sure I knew it. It really pissed me off because that was the only B I got in grad school. But I also learned how to write to appease him and that's why I got a B instead of a C.

People get really funny about people commenting on what they write and how they write it. For those of us in the business world, we are judged pretty harshly by the way we write and tend to try to present ourselves in a positive manner. For the creative writing types, it's different. I can't really put my finger on how their brain operates.
And that's the other side of things, ArenaNet is a business. It doesn't matter what the product is, what it does, or who buys it. The video game industry is, like any other business, driven by the consumer.

Let's say if Jennifer were working retail and went on complaining about her job difficulties on the sales floor and a customer overheard it. Said customer comes up and wants to be helpful and understanding so that customer comes up to Jennifer and offers some friendly advice. Jennifer then proceeds to tell the customer she didn't ask for that person's opinion as rudely as possible. The customer then tries to make amends, be the bigger person, and is totally understanding that maybe Jen is just having a really bad day. But Jennifer keeps being Snotty O'Shitservice so the customer complains and Jen is fired. This is the same scenario and what so many of these creative types in the business forget is that social media is the new sales floor and everyone on it is, at the very least, a potential customer.

So like you said Jennifer probably did perceive some advice/criticism as a personal attack, but she couldn't keep it professional and that is what got her canned.
 
Probably for the best that she got the boot. That Deroir guy presented his side pretty sanely and even apologized for *Gasp* trying to calmly debate!
I ask this with all sincerity, though: Is there still a playerbase to this game outside of some diaper-crinkling furfags?
I’m not sure about now, but WvWvW was great fun for a few hours at a time.
 
Maybe she can join her fellow gaming industry reject, Rebecca Gerber, in working warehouse temp jobs.

Better yet, she could also join Becky in potentially having a topic here. Price has an extensive history of getting shitcanned for being a bitch and I expect she's not going to learn her lesson here anymore than she did when Paizo quietly got rid of her.
 
My initial reaction: It's really dumb for anyone to get fired over tweets whether or not they're a social justice bully !!

But... when you take a moment to review the facts, you realize:
  1. Her Twitter account clearly showed she was an ArenaNet writer and she was certainly making an effort to have it known in her tweets.
  2. The company has long-standing social media rules in place, particularly with interacting with fans.
  3. She was probably already in hot water over the TotalBiscuit gravedancing.
ArenaNet did the right thing.

Now, they have to weather the storm of every leftist gaming publication twisting the facts and shit on them. And they're pretty much all leftist...

I just wish there was a way we could track the financial impact this will have; that will be the true test of whether more companies will follow suit with giving the boot to professional victims.
 
Maybe she can join her fellow gaming industry reject, Rebecca Gerber, in working warehouse temp jobs.

Better yet, she could also join Becky in potentially having a topic here. Price has an extensive history of getting shitcanned for being a bitch and I expect she's not going to learn her lesson here anymore than she did when Paizo quietly got rid of her.
Oh she's definitely a goldmine of content.
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Anyone who's ever been on Paizo's Pathfinder forums has probably heard of this cunt.

She had a reputation for going into threads where players were politely asking writers questions and the writers were responding to even tough questions with clarifications and good natured humor. They were chill threads.

Until she'd barge in and start being openly hostile. While other writers would respond to, say, a plot hole with "Huh. Never noticed that! Could be a good adventure hook for the party to investigate!", she'd respond with "It's something you obviously just don't understand..."

She was also ALWAYS spouting SJW drivel on the forums, talking about privilege, "Problematic" things in RPGs, how every RPG pushes a political agenda, and blaming "Toxic" gamers for everything.

Eventually she got so infamous and obnoxious that Paizo booted her.
 
Just to make sure I’m understanding this the exchange went like this:
Fan: “hey I love your game and put a lot of time into it here’s my thoughts on what’s good and what could use inproveme—“
Female Game Dev: “Oh my god these fucking sexist pigs telling me— a woman— how to do her job! KILL YOURSELF! IM A PROFESSIONAL! A PROFESSIONALLLLLLL!!!”
There comes a point where if you're going to say sexism is such a terrible and omnipresent problem, you have to acknowledge you're doing something wrong when you assume every male gamer is a disgusting misogynist until they make a big enough show of proving you wrong. It's no different than assuming a female dev is an airheaded ditz who slept her way into her position.

As for dealing with your customers who try to give you constructive criticism, I think acting like Maddox and going "you've never done this you shithead dullard so shut up" is the perfect example of what not to do. Imagine if a restaurant patron gave feedback about a burger he was served and the cook responded by crowing that the idiot customer has no idea how to use a grill or handle raw meat or button a chef's smock as if these things were the most personal of arts that no one could ever comment on because how dare they. The guy eating the burger might have a different perspective that's still valuable. Actually we know he does because businesses that think otherwise historically tend to stop existing.
 
I love how this incident is a rallying totem for cultural warriors of all stripes who can get whatever they dream of out it and the fallout. Want a shrieking harpy pulling the mansplanation card getting her comeuppance? Got it right here. Want a poor benighted woman in gaming driven out by an evil hate mob? Yeah, got that too.

Except, despite Price being a basic baizuo bitch, that's not what got her shitcanned. ArenaNet is progressive/woke as fuck as far as these companies go; we've got in-universe trannies and homos and people of all colors and shapes and sizes. Some of the most prominent lore characters are openly in gay relationships. Rainbow logo! Et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.

What got Price and Fries dealt with was something far more banal: they pissed in the ArenaNet President's Cheerios. For some background: Mike handed off a huge portion of operations of the company around the time of the Guild Wars 2 release but had to come back and patch it a few years later when the go-to guy, Colin, quit. He discovered that the loving marketing hype machine that preceded the product's launch no longer existed, and that the landscape for coverage had also changed.

ArenaNet as a culture loves to write manifestos about facets of their machine. One got written up about marketing, and the thesis of that manifesto boiled down thus: content creators and influencers are the lifeblood of our brand. Mike and his underlings have been courting streamers and youtubers to make up the deficit of traditional coverage since they're continuing to push content for a six year old game that isn't produced by Blizzard.

And here comes this basic bitch who has been in the company for less time than Mike's been back pushing this initiative, directly alienating not one but two such influencers and then Price and her mighty protector (an almost thirteen year veteran of the company who definitely knew better!) both told them some of the most unforgivable things you can say in ArenaNet culture to any customer, let alone these ones: your input is not wanted, needed, or valued.

Imagine if you were in a job and the CEO had a short list of star clients to receive VIP treatment. Imagine then if you decided, when one of those clients politely inserted himself in a public discourse you were continuing in your capacity as someone working for that company, to shit on that client in a way that directly contradicts what all your marketing copy out in the wild is saying? Oh, and also another one that showed up wanting you to lay off.

Of course your ass is going to get called on the carpet, duh. As for whether the pair were straight up fired or given an option to repent and decided to have zero remorse (which, given Price's history is entirely fucking likely), we won't know unless someone in that room tells us. The end result is the same: people who fuck with the company President's pet projects get fucked. Welcome to any company on Earth, sweethearts.
 
I love how this incident is a rallying totem for cultural warriors of all stripes who can get whatever they dream of out it and the fallout. Want a shrieking harpy pulling the mansplanation card getting her comeuppance? Got it right here. Want a poor benighted woman in gaming driven out by an evil hate mob? Yeah, got that too.

Except, despite Price being a basic baizuo bitch, that's not what got her shitcanned. ArenaNet is progressive/woke as fuck as far as these companies go; we've got in-universe trannies and homos and people of all colors and shapes and sizes. Some of the most prominent lore characters are openly in gay relationships. Rainbow logo! Et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.

What got Price and Fries dealt with was something far more banal: they pissed in the ArenaNet President's Cheerios. For some background: Mike handed off a huge portion of operations of the company around the time of the Guild Wars 2 release but had to come back and patch it a few years later when the go-to guy, Colin, quit. He discovered that the loving marketing hype machine that preceded the product's launch no longer existed, and that the landscape for coverage had also changed.

ArenaNet as a culture loves to write manifestos about facets of their machine. One got written up about marketing, and the thesis of that manifesto boiled down thus: content creators and influencers are the lifeblood of our brand. Mike and his underlings have been courting streamers and youtubers to make up the deficit of traditional coverage since they're continuing to push content for a six year old game that isn't produced by Blizzard.

And here comes this basic bitch who has been in the company for less time than Mike's been back pushing this initiative, directly alienating not one but two such influencers and then Price and her mighty protector (an almost thirteen year veteran of the company who definitely knew better!) both told them some of the most unforgivable things you can say in ArenaNet culture to any customer, let alone these ones: your input is not wanted, needed, or valued.

Imagine if you were in a job and the CEO had a short list of star clients to receive VIP treatment. Imagine then if you decided, when one of those clients politely inserted himself in a public discourse you were continuing in your capacity as someone working for that company, to shit on that client in a way that directly contradicts what all your marketing copy out in the wild is saying? Oh, and also another one that showed up wanting you to lay off.

Of course your ass is going to get called on the carpet, duh. As for whether the pair were straight up fired or given an option to repent and decided to have zero remorse (which, given Price's history is entirely fucking likely), we won't know unless someone in that room tells us. The end result is the same: people who fuck with the company President's pet projects get fucked. Welcome to any company on Earth, sweethearts.
Ime it's not just ArenaNet, since Youtube and Twitch gaming have gotten really popular, a lot of companies are starting to promote people like them to help their product (to a limited extent, of course: this is mostly limited to developing an e-sports brand for various games). As a result, a lot of game journos aren't even really considered (and if they are, they're under the PR umbrella).

Of course, this isn't saying that traditional coverage is dying away, just that more than just ArenaNet is courting streamers and youtubers and it's becoming a thing in various GDC talks (heck, various expos at the most recent one was a Twitch streamer there and streaming while playing their game [iirc it was Fortnite]).
 
The problem is her head is firmly crammed 50 feet up her own ass. The inability to admit she isn't perfectly right 100% of the time and constantly bringing up her 10 years of experience in the field (bitch you worked on fucking Kinectimals calm the fuck down) any time anyone dares to disagree with her in the slightest make her seem like a genuinely unpleasant and unlikable person and unfortunately for her she wasn't working in a job that would allow her to be these things so she got shitcanned after sperging out on one of her product's biggest streamers over nothing.

The moral of the story is you don't wanna be fired for being a cunt, don't be a cunt. It's really not that hard.

 
The SJW press machine is working full force now. Seems like she was given an out and intentionally decided to reject it, and has less than fucking zero remorse:
Kotaku: https://archive.fo/d8dNx
The Verge: https://archive.fo/nsDXA
Paste: https://archive.fo/dKU9q#selection-967.488-973.1
AGDQ asshole: https://archive.fo/fjH9I

Choice quote by Price:
Price felt like Deroir overstepped his bounds. “Today in being a female game dev: ‘Allow me—a person who does not work with you—explain to you how you do your job,’” she tweeted, adding that she’d been working in narrative for a decade and didn’t need the concept of branching dialogue explained to her.

It was, Price told Kotaku in an email, a straw-that-broke-the-camel’s-back moment. “By the time that guy came along, I was so tired of having random people explain my job to me in company spaces where I had to just smile and nod that it was like, ‘No. Not here. Not in my space,’” she said.
BUT WHAT ABOUT MY SPACE?!
She's got one thing right. This isn't Myspace.

Also in the wake of all this bullshit, I'd like to revive some of these people's favorite image:
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Whatever bullshit argument they make to defend her, just use this.
 
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